The Dance Hall 10: The Saitama Samba 2022-2023

[Wyliefan]

L/L also had very low levels in the midline. But I don't know what happened to G/P in the pattern. Or in general. Sigh, I had high hopes for them here after their strong nationals.

 

[Dobre]

I feel the skate gods took my prediction that there would be some surprises a tad too seriously.

Better here than at Worlds.

(Though I think it can be safely said that the Euros RD event kicked the 4CC one but good).

 

[~tapdancer~]

My thoughts on what I saw at 4CC (on Peacock). CarPon, KoKo, and L/L were awesome, I thoroughly enjoyed all three skates and were most memorable to me. But as far as the best, for me it was Laurence and Nik...I mean just wow. Folks on here talk about C/B "bringing the sex"...they pale in comparison to L and N. I was mesmerized by their RD. The opening was silky, smooth, and everything dance should be. When they skate clean (which I hope will be the case at Worlds), to me, they are the best. I mean I love US ice dance but I can't deny the beauty and skill of FB/S. One of their choreo steps (board to board I think) got a 6.00 GOE on the tracker. Just wow. And it deserved it. Worlds will be intense, so many great teams, imo.

 

[sap5]

So I’m trying to catch up on the 4CC by watching the Skating ISU channel through Opera VPN and am blocked no matter which region I try. Is this the case for everyone, or is it just on my end?

 

[Karen-W]

So I’m trying to catch up on the 4CC by watching the Skating ISU channel through Opera VPN and am blocked no matter which region I try. Is this the case for everyone, or is it just on my end?

You can keep trying different regions until you get in, or you can download the VeePN extension for Chrome and access the ISU channel on YT that way.

 

[Andrea82]

Who is coaching Olivia Shilling/Léo Baeten? Are they an Igor team?

 

[BlueRidge]

So I’m trying to catch up on the 4CC by watching the Skating ISU channel through Opera VPN and am blocked no matter which region I try. Is this the case for everyone, or is it just on my end?

hmm I have been having this same problem, when it doesn't tell me I can't access youtube because I'm not connected to the internet even though I am

 

[chantilly]

I’m in Canada and was streaming through CBC but it was glitchy, so I watched through YouTube instead with no issues at all.

 

[Andrea82]

Oh well, the score of Mrazkova/Mrazek at Egna Dance Trophy: 76.22 in the RD and 111.06 in the FD.
I found a video of the RD
I think the dress is a bit shorter now compared to JGP season.

Italian second spot for Worlds confirmed for Manni/Rothlisberger.

 

[Belsornia]

Now that we have the entry list for the final pre-Worlds deadline competitions, it's odd that Tkachenko/Kiliakov got a whole new programme to win the senior title at Israeli nationals but then haven't competed anywhere else.

And no sign of DelCamp/Akalin, so I checked their social media and the machine translation suggests he's having some kind of drama with the Turkish federation.

 

[her grace]

Now that we have the entry list for the final pre-Worlds deadline competitions, it's odd that Tkachenko/Kiliakov got a whole new programme to win the senior title at Israeli nationals but then haven't competed anywhere

The Noso sibs can represent Israel at Worlds so maybe the Fed wanted Tkachenko/Kiliakov to focus on Junior internationally?

 

[angi]

Oh well, the score of Mrazkova/Mrazek at Egna Dance Trophy: 76.22 in the RD and 111.06 in the FD.
I found a video of the RD
I think the dress is a bit shorter now compared to JGP season.

Italian second spot for Worlds confirmed for Manni/Rothlisberger.

Their scores are getting kind of ridiculous, I know comparing competitions is tricky, but their scores are identical to what Taschler/Taschlerova scored in the RD and FD at Europeans, their PCS in the RD were higher than what every team aside from C/B and FB/S got at 4CC, and while I think they are a very promising team those scores make little sense IMO.

 

[Andrea82]

Their scores are getting kind of ridiculous, I know comparing competitions is tricky, but their scores are identical to what Taschler/Taschlerova scored in the RD and FD at Europeans, their PCS in the RD were higher than what every team aside from C/B and FB/S got at 4CC, and while I think they are a very promising team those scores make little sense IMO.

Egna Dance Trophy was scored quite lashvly.
For instance, Manni/Rothlisberger's PCS (Senior and Junior had the same judges in Egna) were 3 points higher in Egna than at Euros in the RD and 6 points higher in the FD. Overall, their score was 13 points higher than at Euros.
Also Jackucs/Galli were 10 points higher than at Europeans.

 

[Karen-W]

Egna Dance Trophy was scored quite lashvly.
For instance, Manni/Rothlisberger's PCS (Senior and Junior had the same judges in Egna) were 3 points higher in Egna than at Euros in the RD and 6 points higher in the FD. Overall, their score was 13 points higher than at Euros.
Also Jackucs/Galli were 10 points higher than at Europeans.

LOL, yeah, well, we can't complain too much since it did give Shilling/Baeten their Worlds TES mins, right?

 

[Belsornia]

LOL, yeah, well, we can't complain too much since it did give Shilling/Baeten their Worlds TES mins, right?

15 points higher than they got in Oberstdorf last week, which itself didn't seem a particularly harshly scored competition.

 

[angi]

Well, Worlds are going to be so exciting to watch. Chock/Bates moved from being the underdogs to being the frontrunners, G/P's illness could not have come at a worse time. And Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen are for sure in the running for at least the bronze at this point.
Felt like CPom were once again judged too harshly in the FD, I wonder if they will see an increase in scores next season. I also think they are likely to go to worlds instead of H/B, it will be heartbreaking but we are 6 weeks before worlds and H/B hasn't been seen on the ice since the start of January if not right after GPF, can they really come back from such a long break that fast? I doubt it.

 

[~tapdancer~]

Well, Worlds are going to be so exciting to watch. Chock/Bates moved from being the underdogs to being the frontrunners, G/P's illness could not have come at a worse time. And Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen are for sure in the running for at least the bronze at this point.
Felt like CPom were once again judged too harshly in the FD, I wonder if they will see an increase in scores next season. I also think they are likely to go to worlds instead of H/B, it will be heartbreaking but we are 6 weeks before worlds and H/B hasn't been seen on the ice since the start of January if not right after GPF, can they really come back from such a long break that fast? I doubt it.

You know what concerns me for H/B, is the reason they took a break...you don't come back from that in just a few months. And if they haven't been able to train...well. I am glad that CPom are first alternate.

The 4CC judges just gave C/B a great big push. But I feel even with that monster score, there is still a big fat question mark on who will win Worlds. There are just too many factors yet.

 

[Karen-W]

...we are 6 weeks before worlds and H/B hasn't been seen on the ice since the start of January if not right after GPF, can they really come back from such a long break that fast? I doubt it.

Well, we don't know how much they've been on or off the ice since the GPF. They did both take a week or so off after the GPF and were in Buffalo and Seattle respectively for Christmas, and we know that Kaitlin was in Lake Placid for the FISU Winter University Games during the 3rd week of January, but Lake Placid isn't that far from Montreal, so she could have been going back and forth and doing some training/rehab. Jean-Luc was in Seattle the week of Nats, and this weekend he's in NYC/CT hanging with Camden and Nathan, but that's a short flight from Montreal. It's hard to say for certain, whether they've been on or off the ice since Nationals, though I think it is fair to say they probably weren't on the ice much for the 6 weeks between the GPF and Nats. I do have to wonder and worry, though, that we're going to get an announcement in the next 2 weeks about them WDing after all. The one positive in all this is that CarPon are also with IAM, so they're going to have the inside knowledge of just how likely HawBak are for Worlds. It will be interesting to see what shakes out over social media in the next few weeks.

 

[Dobre]

And Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen are for sure in the running for at least the bronze at this point.

How, for sure?

They had a great result at NHK, as Hawayek & Baker had a very good result at Skate America; but in both cases, those results seem to have had more to do with Chock & Bates coming into the season unprepared.

Neither team has defeated Gilles & Poirier or Guignard & Fabbri, who came into the season more prepared. And now Chock & Bates are ready.

Hence, I don't see any "for sure" about it.

 

[Wyliefan]

Laurence was injured! I never would have guessed from the way she skated. https://twitter.com/ClaireCloutier/status/1624919395163320322?t=4nCw9TayaT5FGDqsJcMKiA&s=19

 

[angi]

How, for sure?

They had a great result at NHK, as Hawayek & Baker had a very good result at Skate America; but in both cases, those results seem to have had more to do with Chock & Bates coming into the season unprepared.

Neither team has defeated Gilles & Poirier or Guignard & Fabbri, who came into the season more prepared. And now Chock & Bates are ready.

Hence, I don't see any "for sure" about it.

They outscored G/F's SB here and scored similarly to G/P at GPF. I think they can fight G/F for bronze, their levels have also been better. More than bronze will require a major error from C/B or G/P. My "for sure" was about them being in contention for bronze which I very much think they are.

 

[Dobre]

Thou shalt always know better than to compare scores from different events.

 

[Dobre]

I don't mean to be a naysayer. I think the judges really like F-B&S's RD. If another team mucks up the RD, I could see Fournier-Beaudry & Sorensen being the team to capitalize.

 

[Ena Grins]

I agree that FB/S are definitely contenders for bronze at this point. After mistakes at their last two comps, they were very strong at 4CC and not far off of G/F's scores. I agree that scores shouldn't be compared too much across two different competitions, but there does seem to be momentum there. I don't think the bronze is locked up by anyone with these 2 teams solidly in contention.

(For the record - I'm a Guignard/Fabbri fan )

 

[her grace]

If F-B/S are in it at worlds, can we have an In this Skirt title for the FD thread?

 

[On My Own]

My reason to visit this thread after 4CCs isn't here yet

 

[trainingdogs82]

How, for sure?

They had a great result at NHK, as Hawayek & Baker had a very good result at Skate America; but in both cases, those results seem to have had more to do with Chock & Bates coming into the season unprepared.

Neither team has defeated Gilles & Poirier or Guignard & Fabbri, who came into the season more prepared. And now Chock & Bates are ready.

Hence, I don't see any "for sure" about it.

Yes I think a medal at worlds for the Danadians is still quite unlikely, unless Gilles & Poirier don't skate, are pretty unprepared for worlds, which I see no indication (yet) to feel that would be the case. I don't see them likely beating Guignard & Fabbri regardless how the European scores compare to the obviously bloated (for all teams) Four Continents scores. And obviously they aren't likely to repeat their NHK defeat of Chock & Bates anytime soon either. Even more with their being prone to mistakes quite often, particularly when there are any expecatations on them.

 

[trainingdogs82]

I agree that FB/S are definitely contenders for bronze at this point. After mistakes at their last two comps, they were very strong at 4CC and not far off of G/F's scores. I agree that scores shouldn't be compared too much across two different competitions, but there does seem to be momentum there. I don't think the bronze is locked up by anyone with these 2 teams solidly in contention.

(For the record - I'm a Guignard/Fabbri fan )

I think Guignard & Fabbri managing to do better than a bronze, particularly with Gilles & Poirier a question mark, is much more likely than Fourier Beaudry & Sorensen somehow finishing above them.

 

[Colonel Green]

Laurence was injured! I never would have guessed from the way she skated. https://twitter.com/ClaireCloutier/status/1624919395163320322?t=4nCw9TayaT5FGDqsJcMKiA&s=19

Team Canada is lucky they have Marjorie and Zach on standby, given the issues both teams assigned to Worlds have been dealing with.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I think the goal is to set Laurence and Nick up to be a clear 4th place going in to worlds so that, if Piper and Paul can’t go or are in bad shape, it’s them who floats onto the podium, not F/G. Setting up a medal for Canada regardless of what happens with G/P.