Russian figure skating news & updates in 2022

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It’s also known as Discipline, which encompasses all aspects of human character, not just sport. As a public character, AK may not have made proper personal-life choices in the past…but they became publicly known which is unfortunate. Nobody is perfect but it’s tough for Russian powers-that-be to separate the public and private personnas.

My own favorite in the past season, Trusova, also had her goofy quirks…but goofiness isn’t as big of a public sin as what happened to AK (with older man who was also her coach, etc). Just thinking out loud here. I wish them all well as persons, even if I don’t give a d*** for any of them as skaters this coming season or for however long the conflict lasts.
I don’t think the federation is holding against Kostornaya her past relationship with her coach (whatever did or did not happen with him). They never cared about any of their skaters (including minors) having relationships with their male coaches. In our western view it is considered abuse of power (the coach - the adult - should know better), but for them it is ‘normal’. They didn’t care that Ilynikh had relationship with Morozov, and then Davankova had relationship with Morozov, and Mukhortova had relationship with Vasiliev… I think what harmed Kostornaya with the federation is how she gave interview about Tutberidze when she left her to go to Pluschenko. I know it is a few years ago, but I don’t think the federation is very forgiving about things like that. The only way they would ‘forgive’ her would be if since then she was unbeatable - then they would realise that they really need her and therefore they would pretend that the interview never happened. Unfortunately, Kostornaya’s results in the past two seasons were not that great to make the federation feel that they need her - they had five or six other skaters who were at least as good or better than Kostornaya, so they have no intention to help her in any way. If she claws her way to the top, they will accept her, but they will do nothing to help her before that.
 
I don’t think the federation is holding against Kostornaya her past relationship with her coach (whatever did or did not happen with him). They never cared about any of their skaters (including minors) having relationships with their male coaches. In our western view it is considered abuse of power (the coach - the adult - should know better), but for them it is ‘normal’. They didn’t care that Ilynikh had relationship with Morozov, and then Davankova had relationship with Morozov, and Mukhortova had relationship with Vasiliev… I think what harmed Kostornaya with the federation is how she gave interview about Tutberidze when she left her to go to Pluschenko. I know it is a few years ago, but I don’t think the federation is very forgiving about things like that. The only way they would ‘forgive’ her would be if since then she was unbeatable - then they would realise that they really need her and therefore they would pretend that the interview never happened. Unfortunately, Kostornaya’s results in the past two seasons were not that great to make the federation feel that they need her - they had five or six other skaters who were at least as good or better than Kostornaya, so they have no intention to help her in any way. If she claws her way to the top, they will accept her, but they will do nothing to help her before that.
They've crushed her. Periodt.
 
I don’t think the federation is holding against Kostornaya her past relationship with her coach (whatever did or did not happen with him). They never cared about any of their skaters (including minors) having relationships with their male coaches.
Just for clarity's sake, when a minor is involved, it is not a "relationship." It is abuse.
 
Оr 50 shades of grey. Even more awkward that Zakharova's coach is her mom. Can imagine the conversation
  • mom, I watched the 50 shades of grey, oh my, I want to skate to it
  • sure, daughter, at 15 you are old enough and I'll teach you all the sexy moves I know
Yeek! :scream:
 
Оr 50 shades of grey. Even more awkward that Zakharova's coach is her mom. Can imagine the conversation
  • mom, I watched the 50 shades of grey, oh my, I want to skate to it
  • sure, daughter, at 15 you are old enough and I'll teach you all the sexy moves I know
In Tsareva's defense, that movie is really pretty tame even if it's supposed to be something else. And, her sexy moves are limited to the tongue of disgust.

I missed Zakharova's skate. How did she do?
 
In Tsareva's defense, that movie is really pretty tame even if it's supposed to be something else. And, her sexy moves are limited to the tongue of disgust.

I missed Zakharova's skate. How did she do?
Splendid. I loved the programme and her skating
 
They've crushed her. Periodt.
I don’t think they crushed her. They just showed her that they don’t give a damn about her.
If you made a public interview criticising your boss, do you think your boss would try to help you later in, or would there be a consequences? I am not sure how it works whee you live, but here I can’t imagine anyone doing the same and getting away with it. She learned the hard way that every action has consequences. If she was so great that she is irreplaceable, that would be different, but she isn’t. So she was replaced.
 
Оr 50 shades of grey. Even more awkward that Zakharova's coach is her mom. Can imagine the conversation
  • mom, I watched the 50 shades of grey, oh my, I want to skate to it
  • sure, daughter, at 15 you are old enough and I'll teach you all the sexy moves I know
Well, at our rink I saw a coach screaming at her 12 year old son that the tango he was skating with his 11 year old partner is not passionate enough! ‘Can’t you be more passionate?’ I was wondering what these children know about passion.
 
Ha! How it comes that Russia sends their skater to be treated to the the evil West? This does not not fit well with their endless (and sophisticated) propaganda machine "we, Russians, are the best" or " West hates us because we are the best"
Kobe Bryant also had his knee treatment in Germany, because he couldn’t get it in the US, so what is so surprising that Russians go there? It seems that many sportsmen/sportswomen go to Germany to get treatments.
 
yep gotta make all these kids know all about the ‘consequences’ of speaking out.

Just so they all know to keep sweet and keep their mouths shut.

EDIT - For example - there has been a long-standing rumour that Trusova is the only main Sambo 70 skater not part of the doping program due to her fathers decision. If that is true - the Olympic medal - and lots more medals should actually be hers. In any other system Trusova would have launched a campaign to correct results - but not here.

(Or of course an alternative might be that all the skaters are just as guilty as each other of doping and that’s why there’s been absolute silence).
 
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I don’t think they crushed her. They just showed her that they don’t give a damn about her.
If you made a public interview criticising your boss, do you think your boss would try to help you later in, or would there be a consequences? I am not sure how it works whee you live, but here I can’t imagine anyone doing the same and getting away with it. She learned the hard way that every action has consequences. If she was so great that she is irreplaceable, that would be different, but she isn’t. So she was replaced.
Two minor details:

1. She's a teenager. Her actions were to be expected given the press she was under. The physical and emotional symptoms were there

2. Didn't Katsalapov do the exact same thing to Zhulin in 2011? Yet Zhulin completely trashes Ilinykh in the press but puts his entire career on the line for Katsalapov.

3. In any other school Aliyev would be out to pasture but he's supported well as well as Kolyada and so many others. But somehow with fragile girls exceptions are not made. IMHO, the girls are expendable, it is sexist and abusive. There is a clear double standard.

My only issue with AK is she choses to remain in an abusive environment.
 
It’s still true that athletes in, eg, baseball or football who publicly criticize their coaches run the risk of having the troublemaker label. A lot of people talked about her diva streak a few years ago and she clearly didn’t do the docile-little-girl thing.

In the long run her outspoken personality will be fine. Speaking from experience.
 
This is a false comparison. A skating coach is not a boss. In fact, Tutberidze and Gleikhengauz were paid to work with Kostornaia.
They may have been paid to work with her, but the bottom line is, they had the power over her. For example, Mishin completely destroyed the career of Lozko and Nugumanova… you just don’t piss off someone who has such a power over your career.
 
It’s still true that athletes in, eg, baseball or football who publicly criticize their coaches run the risk of having the troublemaker label. A lot of people talked about her diva streak a few years ago and she clearly didn’t do the docile-little-girl thing.

In the long run her outspoken personality will be fine. Speaking from experience.
If she was unbeatable, she could afford to do or say anything. Unfortunately, her results were not good enough to make them forget that she wascriticising someone who has a lot of power. We can admire her for being outspoken, but she made her choice and lives with the consequences. As a student at school, I could never afford to tell the teachers what I really think about them, and particularly not publicly criticise the teachers. She should have known better.

But I agree, she will be ok in the long term, because it is not a huge tragedy to live without competitive figure skating. If she criticised publicly her university lectors, she may never graduate. That would have a bigger impact on her long term, if she still wants to be a doctor.
 
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I don’t think any of the Russian ladies in recent times has ever had enough status to stand up to the coaches.

Medvedeva was unbeatable for years but was still expendable. Shcherbakova, Trusova and Valieva would all be easily replaced too - and probably being replaced right now.

And I sort of think that even if a very consistent one of her quadsters rocked the boat… the judges would suddenly start noticing pre-rotations and marking down PCS.

None of the power is in the hands of the athletes at all.
 
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They may have been paid to work with her, but the bottom line is, they had the power over her. For example, Mishin completely destroyed the career of Lozko and Nugumanova… you just don’t piss off someone who has such a power over your career.
This is the attitude that enables serial abusers like Harvey Weinstein to prey on one vulnerable person after another and that discourages victims from speaking up. It also enables authoritarian regimes to run roughshod over the citizenry.
 
It is the same attitude that tells women that they are themselves culpable of being raped because they wore sexy clothing or did smile at the wrong moment or did xy - instead of saying that abusing power is what is wrong here. Honestly, sometimes I despair of some of the people in this forum :rolleyes:
 
This is the attitude that enables serial abusers like Harvey Weinstein to prey on one vulnerable person after another and that discourages victims from speaking up. It also enables authoritarian regimes to run roughshod over the citizenry.
But that’s the reality in most countries. As much as you want to pretend it is not like this, what would happen if, as a student, you suddenly made a public interview and criticise your school or university and the teachers? Or your sport club and your coaches? Especially if you were a person known to public, so whatever you say would be followed by many people…. There would be consequences. Even if the school was not able to do anything to you publicly, you would still deal with very subtle changes of behaviour from everyone towards you, the coaches would give up on you (unless they really, really needed you), the teachers at school would continue to teach you but would stop bending backwards to help you and instead they would just do their minimum… There is no point pretending that this is only happening in Russia. This is everywhere. I am all for speaking up, as long as the person realises that there are consequences and is prepared to live with them. Pretending that there won’t be consequences is naive.
 
But that’s the reality in most countries. As much as you want to pretend it is not like this, what would happen if, as a student, you suddenly made a public interview and criticise your school or university and the teachers? Or your sport club and your coaches? Especially if you were a person known to public, so whatever you say would be followed by many people…. There would be consequences. Even if the school was not able to do anything to you publicly, you would still deal with very subtle changes of behaviour from everyone towards you, the coaches would give up on you (unless they really, really needed you), the teachers at school would continue to teach you but would stop bending backwards to help you and instead they would just do their minimum… There is no point pretending that this is only happening in Russia. This is everywhere. I am all for speaking up, as long as the person realises that there are consequences and is prepared to live with them. Pretending that there won’t be consequences is naive.
Naive you say, some call it cowardice.

Anyways there is much more to life than competitive figure skating.
 
This kind of situation is why organisations, workplaces, sporting bodies have reporting processes for harassment, abuse, bullying etc.

Just so the boss, professor etc just can’t ‘consequence’ a person that needs to report something.

Of course historically (before anti-discrimination laws, anti-abuse laws, safe guards etc) were introduced…. Totally if a person spoke up they’d be ‘consequenced’ into oblivion.(Still does happen too). But that’s not a place we want to go back to.

It’s why there has been so much institutionalised abuse in some organisations (often religious) that went totally unchecked. Power and consequences for anyone who spoke out.
 
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