ISU Congress & elections 2022

[Karen-W]

Haha, that must be you on the stream chat @Karen-W.

Does anyone have the agenda?

lol - yup, I just snarked on a Fanyu in there!

 

[On My Own]

lol - yup, I just snarked on a Fanyu in there!

You took more pain than just posting

 

[Karen-W]

You took more pain than just posting

lol - last night there was one person I wound up muting/blocking because she was defaulting to the lamest critique when she had no logical argument against points anyone else was making - trying to imply that I'm the classic "Karen" meme and nothing more. Y'all know me here - I'm more than happy to live up to the memes, but I don't tolerate lame attacks.

 

[On My Own]

At least Ilia won't be bombing because of holes

The Japan TV revenue being due to One Skater as was being QRTed is also laughable.

 

[Karen-W]

At least Ilia won't be bombing because of holes

The Japan TV revenue being due to One Skater as was being QRTed is also laughable.

Maybe I should have snarked that Mao retired 8 years ago... Don't get me wrong, Yuzu is a huge draw in Japan and we all know it, but he's hardly the first nor will he be the last great Japanese skater to put people in the seats and eyes on the TV.

 

[Orm Irian]

I never got why they need this much coffee - it's seemed to me to be obvious code for "lobbying".

Small coffee table + long queue?

 

[On My Own]

Don't get me wrong, Yuzu is a huge draw in Japan and we all know it, but he's hardly the first nor will he be the last great Japanese skater to put people in the seats and eyes on the TV.

He's obviously a huge draw. But he didn't draw up the Japan media contracts, nor is there any guarantee he'll be around competing the next couple of seasons, for us to magically imagine the 2022-24 budgeted income for Asian TV is because of him. Not even getting to what percentages mean for those Asian figures to "fall" after he retires, but moving on.

 

[MacMadame]

Edit: Thinking about this more, I also wonder how this proposal would affect attendance? Fanyus are the worst offenders by far, but a lot of fans in general only come for the last couple of groups. If all the top names went first, it would start full but the stands would empty quick. If the skaters were randomized among groups, it may keep the stands more consistently full.

I thought they were talking about start order within their group. i.e., if someone prefers to go first in the group, and they are first after the SP, they have earned the right to do that.

Personally, I prefer reverse order though.

 

[Karen-W]

I thought they were talking about start order within their group. i.e., if someone prefers to go first in the group, and they are first after the SP, they have earned the right to do that.

Personally, I prefer reverse order though.

That's what I thought also - that it was just that the whomever was ranked highest after the SP/RD, they got to pick their starting spot for the FS/FD. So, for example, Pap/Ciz would have picked their starting spot for the FD, then Hub/Don and so on until the 5th place team from the final group was left to start in whichever spot was left.

I don't mind the idea of skaters/teams being able to select their starting spot for the FS/FD based on how they finished in the SP/RD - I rather like the strategizing that could come with it. Reverse order can sometimes be anti-climatic.

 

[misskarne]

I never got why they need this much coffee - it's seemed to me to be obvious code for "lobbying".

Probably politer in the majority of represented cultures to call it a coffee break rather than a pee break.

 

[Karen-W]

Extraordinary Event clause discussion!

Oh, boy... Papa Boris is at the mic... He doesn't like this proposal because the ISU Council is going to be influenced by media coverage and deciding on political conflicts. Who had Papa Boris as Russia's bitch on their Congress Bingo Card?

ETA - and it's going to be a secret vote. Shocking!

 

[On My Own]

Papa Boris

Missed it, who is this?

 

[Karen-W]

Missed it, who is this?

Boris Chait - Galit's dad and head of the Israeli fed.

 

[On My Own]

Rejected...

 

[Karen-W]

And it was rejected by 6 votes. But, since the Congress has already accepted Communication 2469, the current measures against Russia & Belarus remain in effect. Stupid of the ISU - they're opening themselves up for more CAS appeals.

 

[Debbie S]

Crap. Rejected. But Russian skaters are still banned due to earlier rule?

 

[Karen-W]

Crap. Rejected. But Russian skaters are still banned due to earlier rule?

Yes, that's exactly it.
There were 71 votes in favor, so it's not like it didn't have significant support, just not 2/3 majority as required.

 

[On My Own]

I really thought it would be accepted. I wish this one had not been allowed for a secret vote.

(Also, why abstain when it's secret???)

 

[Karen-W]

Just an update on the votes so far before we get into the age minimum proposals:
Proposal #15 - ACCEPTED

Proposal #16, 17 & 18 - tabled - to be voted on Friday - there is a wording issue on 17 & 18, so they are going to work on that and present all of the advertising/logo space proposals for a vote then

Proposal #19 - Amended per ISU Council suggestion & ACCEPTED

Urgent Matter #2 (Extraordinary Event measure) - REJECTED by 6 votes

Proposal #21 - Amended per ISU Council suggestion & ACCEPTED

 

[Karen-W]

Norway just withdrew their alternative age minimum proposal.

 

[clairecloutier]

Very disappointing to hear the U.S. speak against this proposal.

 

[Debbie S]

So USFS wants to raise the age only to 16 until after the next Olys. But Isabeau will be 17 in the pre-Oly year, though?

 

[Karen-W]

Very disappointing to hear the U.S. speak against this proposal.

They aren't speaking out against it completely. Just not in favor of raising it to 17 right now. They want to wait until the next Congress or even the next Olympics. They're fine with raising it to 16. And, the other person who spoke (Hungary or Norway?) about the impact on pairs isn't wrong.

 

[clairecloutier]

I understand what was said.

 

[On My Own]

I'm not getting what the difference between 16 and 17 is?

 

[Karen-W]

And now Poland Speed is opposed to raising the speed/short-track jr minimum to 15 and wants to keep it 14, lol.

Any bets this gets tabled for amendments and a final vote on Friday?

ETA - they're breaking for lunch and are asking for amendments to be submitted by the afternoon session. So, we'll have our answer in a few hours.

 

[On My Own]

Well Ireland and Iceland spoke up against the fake concern of it affecting "small fed skaters".

 

[Karen-W]

Well Ireland and Iceland spoke up against the fake concern of it affecting "small fed skaters".

Lots of countries spoke up in support of the proposal as is, including Susanna Rakhamo and US Speed.

I honestly have no idea which way this will go this afternoon, lol.

 

[On My Own]

Lots of countries spoke up in support of the proposal as is, including Susanna Rakhamo and US Speed.

Right, but Ireland and Iceland being small feds themselves was good and showed it was fake concern. I think we're definitely going to increase the age limit, but right now I think it will be to 16 as a compromise, just so the entire thing doesn't get rejected. But I hope we get 17.

 

[Karen-W]

Right, but Ireland and Iceland being small feds themselves was good and showed it was fake concern. I think we're definitely going to increase the age limit, but right now I think it will be to 16 as a compromise, just so the entire thing doesn't get rejected. But I hope we get 17.

I guess it depends on what the feds who say they're in support of the age increase, but only to 16, will do if the amendment for that fails. Will they vote in favor of the increase as proposed or torpedo the whole thing?