Interview with Irina Slutskaya [post-Beijing]

escaflowne9282 said:
I can't think of any hallmark moves or programs by her. I remember nothing about her Olympic skate. I mean Sotnikova at least waved to the audience .
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Really? You don’t remember her exquisite layback? Probably third after Angela and Sasha?

You don’t remember nothing about her Olympic program? The only skater to do two triple triples in the free program. I’ll just leave it at that

Strange the people that save the stuff about Sarah Hughes. She rocked that Olympics and if u ask me was the gold winner by miles miles miles and miles.
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
Really? You don’t remember her exquisite layback? Probably third after Angela and Sasha?

You don’t remember nothing about her Olympic program? The only skater to do two triple triples in the free program. I’ll just leave it at that

Strange the people that save the stuff about Sarah Hughes. She rocked that Olympics and if u ask me was the gold winner by miles miles miles and miles.
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Totally.. the fact that it was 5-4 was ludicrous.. Christine Brennan wrote that while Russia protested the result it should’ve been Hughes to protest that it wasn’t 9-0 for her based on the night.. of course as we know very little is sometimes actually based on the night itself..
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
Really? You don’t remember her exquisite layback? Probably third after Angela and Sasha?

You don’t remember nothing about her Olympic program? The only skater to do two triple triples in the free program. I’ll just leave it at that

Strange the people that save the stuff about Sarah Hughes. She rocked that Olympics and if u ask me was the gold winner by miles miles miles and miles.
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I went back and rewatched. Her lay back was nice but... meh, I didn't really remember it . Both loops were underrotated on her combinations .
Despite that, I don't question her winning the LP.

My issue is her SP should really have had her out of the final flight in the LP. Her flip was 2 footed, she had the worst "lutz" of anyone. She didn't connect her footwork to her solo jump. Her spiral pattern was incomplete, and the amount of time she held each position was questionable. Her footwork was very basic even for something pre-code. Suguri ,Butyrskaya, and Sebestyen all had very strong cases for finishing ahead of her.
 
escaflowne9282 said:
I went back and rewatched. Her lay back was nice but... meh, I didn't really remember it . Both loops were underrotated on her combinations .
Despite that, I don't question her winning the LP.

My issue is her SP should really have had her out of the final flight in the LP. Her flip was 2 footed, she had the worst "lutz" of anyone. She didn't connect her footwork to her solo jump. Her spiral pattern was incomplete, and the amount of time she held each position was questionable. Her footwork was very basic even for something pre-code. Suguri ,Butyrskaya, and Sebestyen all had very strong cases for finishing ahead of her.
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Agreed and most judges did too. The ordinals were all over the place in the SP and a majority of them had Sarah lower than 4th.. https://web.archive.org/web/20180716223921/http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg2002/results/SEG003.HTM
 
eurodance2001 said:
Agreed and most judges did too. The ordinals were all over the place in the SP and a majority of them had Sarah lower than 4th.. https://web.archive.org/web/20180716223921/http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg2002/results/SEG003.HTM
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I wonder if Kwan would have received 6.0s had her flip been of its usual quality that season. It’s funny but it was kind of her money jump that season and she even did it during a cheesefest before Nationals where she skated to Fields of Gold, but it went MIA in SLC.
 
VGThuy said:
I wonder if Kwan would have received 6.0s had her flip been of its usual quality that season. It’s funny but it was kind of her money jump that season and she even did it during a cheesefest before Nationals where she skated to Fields of Gold, but it went MIA in SLC.
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The Flip in both her SP and LP at nationals that year were beautiful. I always felt that the telling jump for MK was the Axel. And her Axels that season looked really tight, in competition and in exhibition.


I remember the excitement and energy of Hughes's performance in SLC. Rewatched both Hughes's and Lipinski's Olympic LP recently and I kind of feel less okay with Lipinski winning over MK than with Hughes winning. Tara also had a major Flutz and under-rotations, average carriage and lines, and a pretty junior-ish style of presentation.
 
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skatingguy said:
The networks would negotiate access to the backstage area, but they can't force the athletes to stay in view of the cameras - there are always areas that are out-of-bounds for the cameras, and the skaters could have been steered in those directions and they weren't.
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I just don't think that is true. Trusova at one point hid her face behind a screen to stop being filmed by the camera, if there was a way to leave the area, and she was clearly upset enough to think fcuk the rules if there were any, she would surely have found it without the help of anyone else. The fact she didn't disappear to have her moment says to me she wasn't allowed to leave.
 
antmanb said:
I just don't think that is true. Trusova at one point hid her face behind a screen to stop being filmed by the camera, if there was a way to leave the area, and she was clearly upset enough to think fcuk the rules if there were any, she would surely have found it without the help of anyone else. The fact she didn't disappear to have her moment says to me she wasn't allowed to leave.
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You really think if they'd said 'She needs to use the bathroom.' that she wouldn't have been allowed to do so?
 
bcash said:
I mean, considering her past choreography, movement quality and performance style...this is not surprising. She actually would have a lot to look up to in S/K. P/C would be unreachable for her anyway.
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I have to take those comments with a grain of salt. She doesn't follow ice dance, I think she's just being a homer.

I also think for the most part she had some of the most intelligently put together programs for an athletic skater. Her "Lady and Hooligan" and Culture short programs were very good.
And face it, none of her clunkers were as bad as that damn jig.
 
olympic said:
https://fs-gossips.com/irina-slutsk...erotations-and-this-is-not-a-mistake-why-not/

She's kind of all over the place:

1. Kindly suggests Tarasova / Morozov wuz robbed. Sui / Han had a home court advantage
2. Stepanova / Bukin wuz robbed
3. Sinitsina / Katsalapov are 'more pleasant' to watch than Papadakis / Cizeron (I want what she is smoking) :yikes:
4. No one should have been taping behind the scenes at the womens' event
5. A real chaotic look at her experiences in SLC 2002; sounds like she feels she wuz robbed there - 'brazenly removed' with the 2nd mark in the LP (I hope someone told her that her choreo was crap and she was skating slower than normal).

A real conspiracy theorist
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I honestly don't 100% disagree with any of that except #3. #3 is LOL but to each their own.

I agree with #1, although most won't say it outloud since Sui & Han are so beloved. I don't have a big problem with the result but I would be willing to bet the result flips if the event were anywhere but China.

Stepanova & Bukin are underrated due to Russian fed putting all their support behind S&K. Don't think they deserved a medal with how great the other teams were at this event. Atleast no way deserved to be over P&C and Hubbell & Donohue (who should have won silver), or Chock & Bates in the free dance phase. They do suffer though that S&K are the Russian fed favorites, even though I am not even sure they are/were the better team of the two.

The coverage of the womens event was strange and uncomfortable, just like the event itself, but all the behind the scenes footage did not help things, and was just to infilterate the drama more.

2002 SLC womens was a mess, so I can't figure it out even today. I do think if Irina won the short program, and Michelle and Irina have the exact same long program performances they flip the long program placings, since they (atleast some judges) were trying to avoid a public PR disaester after the pairs event. Hughes possibly should have been worse than 4th in the short which makes an impossible situation no matter what for the judges in this regard, as there is no feasible scenario to get her the gold then (she did clearly deserve to win the LP phase regardless under 6.0 thinking though). Cohen has a case to be over Kwan and/or Slutskaya in the long but at the same time she did have a fall too, and as beautiful as she was, her basics, speed, and choreography in the LP were lacking (Carmen was atleast as empty in Tosca in many ways). Suguri was underscored in both programs, and her event was ended essentialy when she drew almost 1st in the LP, but I am not sure exactly where she should have placed in the short or vs 2nd, 3rd, 4th in the LP. Not sure how Slutskaya and Kwan skate if the short program results are different. I don't know who was robbed, who deserved what, it is all confusing to me.
 
Fadeevfanboy said:
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2002 SLC womens was a mess, so I can't figure it out even today. I do think if Irina won the short program, and Michelle and Irina have the exact same long program performances they flip the long program placings, since they (atleast some judges) were trying to avoid a public PR disaester after the pairs event. .... Not sure how Slutskaya and Kwan skate if the short program results are different. ...
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Michelle's best free skates -- and her 3/3 -- usually came when she was behind in the SP (think Worlds FS in '97, '00 and '01) If Irina had been first in the SP at SLC, and both skate the same free skates, she gets gold ... but IMO, the chances of both skating the same free if the SP placement had been different are not good.
 
escaflowne9282 said:
It most certainly has not always been that way. In the past skaters were allowed to have space backstage. Skaters were allowed to stay in the locker rooms until they were ready to come out.
For me what was so hard to watch about Trusova's reaction was that she tried to hide herself and apparently asked for a private moment

This tacky couch of awkwardness that has been introduced within the last 2 quads gets a major down vote from me .

I admit. I did hate SinKats FD. I actually think the violin orchestration of Rachmaninoff was worse than the Paganini jig.
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I think the cameras are always there but it's the behavior or circumstances that dictate whether the public sees backstage happenings. No one really cares if it's all friendly handshakes, hugs and congratulations. Some people enjoy seeing the behind-the-scenes drama and in Beijing, the Russian ladies delivered. That includes the coach, who is a grown woman and should have known better and taken control of the situation immediately. Trusova looked directly into the camera multiple times while having her meltdown. She knew the camera was there; she could have gone into the dressing room but preferred to put on a show. How can we forget Nancy Kerrigan's bitchfest about Oksana Baiul's crying. And I distinctly remember in Nagano, the cameras showing Michelle Kwan backstage crying and wiping away her tears next to Frank. It is what it is.
 
Re: Kwan in Nagano, the only backstage shot I remember being shown on the CBS broadcast was her leaving the dressing room / locker room and wiping her eyes. The only shot I remember of her crying next to Frank was after her skate in the K&C. I don't recall the networks having much access into or past the corridors.

It has also been a pretty established ISU (doping?) protocol for several seasons now, that a skater can not go to the dressing room so long as they are in medal position. Trusova looked at the camera and then tried to duck away from it.

As far as Nancy, well she should have known better, but TBH ,it was probably the funniest thing she ever said.
 
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I get what escaflowne9282 is saying. Imagine if Kwan had to sit on the couch after her SLC skate or the entirety of the final flight after her skate in Nagano, including after realizing Tara, who skated 5th in the final flight of 6, beat her.
 
VGThuy said:
I get what escaflowne9282 is saying. Imagine if Kwan had to sit on the couch after her SLC skate or the entirety of the final flight after her skate in Nagano, including after realizing Tara, who skated 5th in the final flight of 6, beat her.
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:scream:
Add to that Cohen in 2006 , P&B in 2014. 2002 pairs with B&S possibly celebrating while the audience was pissed off, or S&P having to sit next to them while S&Z skated. Then there's the 1994 dance podium that just couldn't stand one another. The possibilities are all just so endlessly cringeworthy .
 
canbelto said:
MK would have smiled bravely for the cameras. Being a poor sport is not in her DNA
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Not to be that person, but no. Kwan lost the Canadian Open one year to Chouinard (who fell) on ridiculous judging because 'Canada' and she was very visibly pissed in the kiss and cry.. she may have even swore, I can't remember.. before they cut away from her. She most certainly was not smiling for the camera.

Regardless of the opinions we build, everyone has some reality creep in from time to time and they can't always hold back their feelings. Doesn't necessarily mean they are automatically a poor sport.
 
canbelto said:
MK would have smiled bravely for the cameras. Being a poor sport is not in her DNA
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You never know how people will react in the moment. Some people called her a poor sport anyway for being reserved in her disappointment and not being super excited for her fellow American winners :rolleyes:


Also, I'm impressed, this has successfully turned into a Kwan thread in under 3 pages. Everyone has really done their jobs :respec:
 
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