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BTW Liza's test skate outfits were appropriate, but if she had worn more firm fitting shirts then it would have been very clear she is a women AND very fit.
 
Tavi said:
@essence_of_soy, all I can say is that I’m very glad I’m not a criminal defendant at trial, with you on the jury. “Guilt by association” is all kinds of wrong. And by the way, I believe that your suggestion that TSL could have edited out Doug Haw’s remarks is basically the exact opposite of what Tony Wheeler was saying, which-if I understood correctly-is that when TSL has said something “wrong” in the past, they edit it out so they look better.
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Hahahaha. You're funny.

Personally, I think the most appropriate punishment for Dave, Doug, and Jonathan would be to strap them to a bench and make them watch a video of Tarasova & Morosov skate to Candyman on loop. With Tara and Johnny doing commentary, of course.
 
bardtoob said:
BTW Liza's test skate outfits were appropriate, but if she had worn more firm fitting shirts then it would have been very clear she is a women AND very fit.
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Huh, it was perfectly clear to me from her curves in her legs, oh, and her face and hair that she’s a woman. And very fit. You must get some new glasses.
 
skatfan said:
Huh, it was perfectly clear to me from her curves in her legs, oh, and her face and hair that she’s a woman. And very fit. You must get some new glasses.
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Maybe I was trying to say she would have appeared more womanly than she already appeared. Maybe I was trying to say the curves of her upper torso would have been very revealing. Maybe I was trying to say her outfit was for modesty sake since she wanted people at a test skate to notice her skating.

Liza, in my opinion, has the more old-fashioned ideal body ... And she has the 3A.
 
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If Tutkimeeshiver would of worn tight small clothing like what she had on yesterday at the event in Italy she is much more lady-like that way. People on this sight say she wore a "moo moo" for year's, I did not see it that way I saw it as wanting to resemble a man and why not, the men in Mens Health magazine are wonder-full specimens like the best seamen I spent time with in my Navy times.

When she has on tight items Tut is not confused for a man, she like my wife Bonnie is 102 percent all women and no red bodied man like my-self can pay attention to her skating, but I like to judge the body's of woman on ice and explain to Bonnie how she could make change's to be a better version of a perfect woman. She ignores me and has left-over crock pot cheese crud surprise for supper, I wonder if the person for Skate Lesson "Dave" has issues with the special woman in "Dave's" life.
 
StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
... the men in Mens Health magazine are wonder-full specimens like the best seamen I spent time with in my Navy times.

When she has on tight items Tut is not confused for a man, she like my wife Bonnie is 102 percent all women and no red bodied man like my-self can pay attention to her skating, but I like to judge the body's of woman on ice and explain to Bonnie how she could make change's to be a better version of a perfect woman.
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:eek:
 
bardtoob said:
Maybe I was trying to say she would have appeared more womanly than she already appeared. Maybe I was trying to say the curves of her upper torso would have been very revealing. Maybe I was trying to say her outfit was for modesty sake since she wanted people at a test skate to notice her skating.

Liza, in my opinion, has the more old-fashioned ideal body ... And she has the 3A.
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Ah, I get it. Thanks for clarifying. I think she looks in amazing shape so far. Hope it continues!
 
StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
but I like to judge the body's of woman on ice and explain to Bonnie how she could make change's to be a better version of a perfect woman. She ignores me and has left-over crock pot cheese crud surprise for supper
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Poor Bonnie! This probably explains her Keegan Messing cowboy hat fetish, however.

For your marriage's sake, I hope Tuk goes back to the mumu ASAP.

StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
the men in Mens Health magazine are wonder-full specimens like the best seamen I spent time with in my Navy times.
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With Bonnie (rightfully) pissed off at you, it looks like you will have to count on getting some of that "best seamen" if you want any kind of company tonight.
 
starrynight said:
TSL have now released a video entitled 'Discussing Body Image and Figure Skating Fitness with Alissa Czisny'. Huh.
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And that's good. At 12.45 comes an extremely important and good point from Czisny.
 
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starrynight said:
TSL have now released a video entitled 'Discussing Body Image and Figure Skating Fitness with Alissa Czisny'. Huh.
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Not that this is ever going to happen, but a more appropriate strategy would be to apologize for the stupid, harmful comments they've made in the past about skaters' bodies, and promise not to say things like that in the future. Doing a video about body image issues instead is like running over someone with your car and then preaching about the horrors of dangerous driving.
 
I have never seen nor heard from this Alisa Cizny person before, she is very beautiful though. As a straight man with very high testerostone levels who has ripped the cloths off many woman in the past, although now I only do such act's with my wife Bonnie. I can say that Alisa is an attractive gal and no matter what "Dave" tries to get her to do with him I know she will be okay because many true USA men such as me find her attractive.
 
I am going to say this then run and hide.

The show has gotten better. Dave and Jonathan have an easier time staying on task and not going down tangents about private texts messages and “ wink wink” moments that last for 15 mins. I could go on and on about things that i don’t like except every time they post, there i am watching. It’s the best in skating interviewing and conversation.


I listened to the Doug Haw interview while driving and almost rolled the window up on the toll woman’s hand when i heard him talk about Liza T’s weight. Then both Dave and Jonathan tried to cover it up the way a teenager would when his parents walk in on him watching porn with his hands in his pants. Lol.

I agree with Doug but he doesn’t realize his audience is primarily people that think being in shape is doing Yoga twice a week and surviving an elliptical for 30 mins at the air conditioned gym. The thought about her weight hopped in my mind viewing her Instagram this summer. She was in a bakini and looked great for a civilian but larger for a skater. Then i thought about women like Tessa Virtue and Madison Hubbel... even Michelle Kwan and remembered that healthy weight is an individual thing. As it turns out, Liza looked good this past weekend and further ahead than her competitors at altitude.

Where Doug effed up was correlating PCS to weight. Huh? What? Lol. Just say her skating skills need improving which I’d counter with the fact that we haven’t seen the best of her skills given she edits 60% of the choreography she’s given anyway.

Still, i don’t find TSL as cringy as before; particularly Dave has gotten better at tempering his tongue
 
starrynight said:
This is just another way for the TSL to criticise Russian ladies.

Tuktamysheva shocked a lot of people by easily out-skating both Medvedeva and Zagitova (note I fully understand this was only a test skate so there's no criticism of either Alina or Evgenia from me). When her competitors fell, forgot sections of programs etc, there's not much to criticise Tukt about - so trot out the old faithful about her needing to lose weight.

It's just a blatant take down of a successful skater, probably prompted by envy. And politiks if there is a concern Tukt could be a threat.

It's just concerning to me that an active coach who works (CORRECTION - associates with (not works sorry) in a place like TCC (which I feel is boasting about being progressive compared to other camps) is the person who has started this dialogue.

But here we are, talking about this instead of her triple axel. Politicking mission accomplished.

It's just all the more ridiculous because right now Tukt is skating better than she has ever done and it's admitted that any weight loss would only be for supposed aesthetics.

Why have this conversation right after one of the best skates of Tuktamysheva's career? It doesn't make sense to then start talking about performance levels, because clearly she's doing very very well right now. Triple axels just don't happen for skaters who are not in shape.

From what I recall, all of the adult skaters who have landed triple axels have not been skating around on toothpick legs and there's probably a reason for that.

Anyway, here's a lovely interview (with English subtitles) of Tukt and her boyfriend Andrei Lazukin talking after the test skates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg58bdMcG5o. She seems very happy and well adjusted. Lots of respect for her remaining in the sport and keeping sane despite everything I'm sure she's had to deal with.
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You cant hold all of the TCC for what Doug Haw said.
 
Dave said he contacted Tuk personally. It was a good, measured This and That with Alissa to talk seriously about a real problem. Nobody should be interested in some witch hunt, let's move on and let go of the venom. This probably got a lot more attention than Tuk wanted.
 
bardtoob said:
Maybe I was trying to say she would have appeared more womanly than she already appeared. Maybe I was trying to say the curves of her upper torso would have been very revealing. Maybe I was trying to say her outfit was for modesty sake since she wanted people at a test skate to notice her skating.

Liza, in my opinion, has the more old-fashioned ideal body ... And she has the 3A.
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The problem was that the recent Russian Test Skates did not show Tuk in the best light. The blouson or mumu style may be more comfy but it hides her fit physique. Tuk wore a more traditional form-fitting skating dress for the LP in Italy, which made all the difference in how she looks (which helps garner the extra points, even if in an unconscious manner).
 
My two cents

- Liza's purple kaftan costume is literally my favourite ladies costume of the last quad because I love that it has a unique cut to it that just isn't like a bedazzled bathing suit with a skirt sewn on.

- Can we make this a USA politics free zone pls. There's enough skating politiks to deal with here without needing discuss whatever it is the USA is doing at the moment.
 
Per said:
Dave said he contacted Tuk personally. It was a good, measured This and That with Alissa to talk seriously about a real problem.
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A real problem that they have contributed to. And given these two's propensity to be, um, economical with the truth about what they say and do online (remember the alleged torrent of nasty messages they received that made Jonathan cry in the bathroom?), I personally wouldn't believe what they've said about contacting Tuk without hearing Tuk's side of the story.

If they're into apologizing now, they also owe apologies to all the other skaters whose shapes or appearances they've sniped at.
 
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