Victoria Sinitsina: In America I learned to stand up for myself. Marina, Diet, Tough-girl.

[hanca]

Quoting aljazeera really is convincing.....

Tutberidze hired Julia's mother, as an assistant coach, with a full paid salary and travel privileges, specifically for the purpose of the Mother to take care of Julia's diet and other daily needs. It is a fact that it is the Mother who was in charge of Julia's diet. The fact that is proven not just by interviews, but by club's monthly PAYCHECKS to Mrs. Lipnitsky...

Lipnitskaya had a Stage Mother, and when she won the Team Gold, she placed the medal in front of her mother (there were people around to witness the exchange) and said to her with a smirk "so, is this what you wanted and made me struggle for?"

When Lipnitskaya moved to Sochi, she insisted that her mother does not come with her. Mother was not happy, but let her go. It's documented in the press. The diet issues became a problem while Julia was in Sochi, without the presence of Eteri or Mother. Julia was posting on IG her daily schedules and events, from Sochi and the breakfasts were sometimes just "half of an apple".. Julia was still going through body changes and made certain decisions how to cope with such.. without Mother or Eteri, under supervision of another coach..

Are you really so stupid? I thought that you are quite an intelligent woman, but some posts from you make me wonder. Do you honestly believe that being put on powder shakes is good for any teenager doing elite level of sport? Her anorexia may have gotten out of control in Sochi, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t start years before. There is no relevance whether her mother did go to Sochi or not. The damage has been done and even if her mother was there, if someone decides not to eat, even the mother can’t make her. Antipova’s parents also couldn’t do anything for their daughter when she stopped eating.

 

[Tinami Amori]

That depends on how the word 'race' is understood.

Yeah, it's a dog and a cat if you want it to be now days....

Are you really so stupid? I thought that you are quite an intelligent woman, but some posts from you make me wonder.

As far as you are concerned? yes, i am stupid, and i consider it a compliment, under the circumstances..

Do you honestly believe that being put on powder shakes is good for any teenager doing elite level of sport? Her anorexia may have gotten out of control in Sochi, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t start years before.

Her. mother. gave. her. that. powder. After. they. consulted. with. a dietitian.
or...
Matka. davala. ji. prasek. Po. konzultaci. s dietetikem.

 

[Mad for Skating]

She has a way out, it's the door that is leading out of the rink which is unlocked, and a mobile-phone to call police and/or the many journalists she has contact with......

True, but for a skater who wants to achieve her Olympic dream, it's not that simple. Remember Elena Berezhnaya? She put up with years of abuse from Shliakov because she thought there was no other partner who would take her. Thank God Anton came along.

I don't believe there was a claim that it is effective. The link to treatment is in reply to a posters' surprise that such method is used.


Sorry you feel jealous that Eteri's girls are beating your favorites, but the injuries at Sambo-70 group are not higher than at any other rink. None of the girls who transferred from Eteri this year are mentioning malnutrition, and Lipnitskaya's problems started after she left the group.

All skaters, especially female skaters have various degrees of concern about weight. Here are Sotskova's comments, while she is with Buyanova, and where some of Eteri's girl are now....

Yes, I've heard stories that Buyanova is no better than Eteri when it comes to weight. Adelina talked very openly about it a few years back, she said she was avoiding meals and always trying to find clothes that made her look thinner, and Buyanova admitted to supporting that. It's not just Eteri, but just because she isn't the only one doesn't make it right.

Rochette once said that she built muscle very quickly, and that it was a problem for her.

Daleman said in an interview this past year that she used to be embarrassed of her biceps.

Actually I read an interview with Daleman where she said she had an eating disorder for several years when she was younger because she was so self-conscious of her solid muscles compared to the other girls. It's far more common than you'd think.

@Tinami Amori, most of your posts are informative and helpful, but you've got it wrong when it comes to Eteri's girls. We are not all Russian-haters (although I know some nasty ones). We do not all despise Eteri's talented young ladies (in fact, I really like Medvedeva, Kostornaia and Panenkova). We are just saying not all of Eteri's methods are healthy for these beautiful young athletes who deserve the best. And Buyanova and Zueva are not squeaky-clean on this topic either.
Please, just give this topic a rest, I think we've discussed this long enough.

 

[hanca]

Her. mother. gave. her. that. powder. After. they. consulted. with. a dietitian.
or...
Matka. davala. ji. prasek. Po. konzultaci. s dietetikem.

On. Recommendation. From. Tutberidze. As. Someone.Helpfully. Posted. The. Links. Here.
Parents. Listen.To. The. Coaches. Same. As. Skaters.Do.Naive? Maybe. But. The. Coach. Is. In. The. Position. Of. Power.

 

[misskarne]

Her. mother. gave. her. that. powder. After. they. consulted. with. a dietitian.

Considering the constant tales of disordered eating encouraged by many Russian coaches and training camps, I would question whether the dietitian's advice was at all reliable.

Well, the fact that the dietitian suggesting putting a slim 15 year old girl on a powder to lose weight actually says everything about how absolutely shit garbage the dietitian's advice is!

 

[Bigbird]

True, but for a skater who wants to achieve her Olympic dream, it's not that simple. Remember Elena Berezhnaya? She put up with years of abuse from Shliakov because she thought there was no other partner who would take her. Thank God Anton came along.

Please, just give this topic a rest, I think we've discussed this long enough.

I 100% agree with you on this one. Completely. Puhlease and thank you.

 

[TAHbKA]

Tinami is....in my opinion....an idio

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[Tinami Amori]

On. Recommendation. From. Tutberidze. As. Someone.Helpfully. Posted. The. Links. Here.

No. Recommendation. to. use. powder. ever. came. from. Tutberidze.
Tutberidze. very. much. sympathized. with. Julia's. eating. problem. which. had. nothing. to. do. with. Eteri.
That. is. why. Tutberidze. arranged. for. Julia's. mother. to. be. hired. as. assistant. coach. with. salary. so. that. she. can take. care. of. Julia's. diet. Mother. accepted. and. consulted. a specialist. which. recommended. the. poweder. Eteri. knew. about. it. but. left. it. up. to. MOTHER. to. figure. out. what. is. best. for. her. daughter. Mothers. even. without. payments. from. Federation. usually. take. care. of. their. daughters. A Coach. is. there. to. train. A Mother. is. there. to. take. care. of. daughter's. needs. outside. the. rink. Mother. had. no. problems. to. constantly. fight. with. Tutberidze. when. she. did. not. like. the. slightest. thing. Both. women. constantly. engaged. in. screaming. matches. Daniella. Lipnitskaya. is. not. a wilting. flower.

Мама варила кашки для дочери, разводила кефиром “сквизи” ...

Mother made hot serial for her daughter, and mixed the "squeezy/powder" into yogurt drinks.
https://maluta-blog.ru/bez-rubriki/yuliya-lipnickaya-fakty-biografii

 

[DimaToe]

I feel like the “It’s never the coach’s fault” mentality is dangerous. Succees isn’t always a result of everything being done the right way with everyone being happy. Regardless of country or sport.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Considering the constant tales of disordered eating encouraged by many Russian coaches and training camps, I would question whether the dietitian's advice was at all reliable.

Well, the fact that the dietitian suggesting putting a slim 15 year old girl on a powder to lose weight actually says everything about how absolutely shit garbage the dietitian's advice is!

Obviously the dietitian's advise was a bad one. We don't know if he/she advised to use the powder in such quantities and with such frequency, as substitute for food. Mother made a bad choice, and Eteri did not check on it.

However, Russian coaches do not encourage disorder eating, or consuming powder instead of food.
They ask to watch weight, yes. Most coaches do that. Sports have physical and sometimes body type requirements. it is a fact.

Some athletes can fit the required weight parameters more naturally and easier, and have normal (for athlete) eating habits. And some athletes have different body types and metabolism, and decide to do something more drastic.

An athlete can always decide "I am 165 cm and i can not get my weight down to 45-48 kg, without taking drastic health damaging steps. I think i will chose health over medals, and either quit, or skate with lesser result expectations".

Coaches do not take away athletes' food and give them powders. They set parameters under which they think one can succeed. Athletes decide if they can or can not do it.

Just like a liquor store when they sell you 3 bottles of Vodka, do not ask if it is for a party, or you plan to down it all in the parking lot in your car and then drive home.

Eating disorder happens in every country. Gracie Gold got one in USA while training with a US coach.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I feel like that “It’s never the coache’s” fault mentality is dangerous. Regardless of country or sport.

They have a role!

But the constant lies about "Tutberidze starving her girls and has them on powders and secret drugs" is ridiculous.

Because let us then figure out which of Gracie's former coaches gave her eating disorder.

Frank Carroll, Alexander Ouriashev, Toni Hickey, Susan Liss, Amy Vorhaben, Alexia Griffin

 

[Tinami Amori]

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oh, i missed this masterpiece.. my lucky week.
First a free biographer, and now a free court jester.
I'd send you the costume, but they are out the right size..
https://images.fineartamerica.com/i...er-in-two-tone-mary-evans-picture-library.jpg

 

[DimaToe]

They have a role!

But the constant lies about "Tutberidze starving her girls and has them on powders and secret drugs" is ridiculous.

Because let us then figure out which of Gracie's former coaches gave her eating disorder.

Frank Carroll, Alexander Ouriashev, Toni Hickey, Susan Liss, Amy Vorhaben, Alexia Griffin

All you listed are coaches based in the U.S. right? I mean the fact that it has to be a “you vs us” mentality is not good. One should be able to applaud the good and point out the bad regardless of a flag. For Tutberidze at least it just seems like there’s evidence of things not being 100%. Maybe part of it has to do with her and her team figuring out things as they gain experience, but pretending it’s all a perfect environment is also like of foolish. This isn’t something that only team Tutberidze is guilty of.

 

[dramagrrl]

Coaches do not take away athletes' food and give them powders. They set parameters under which they think one can succeed. Athletes decide if they can or can not do it.

Actually, they do. It has been well documented by many former elite gymnasts that their coaches took food away from them, deprived them of food when they were allowed to eat, checked garbage cans for food wrappers to make sure they weren't eating "extra" food, and abused them when they found they had eaten foods they didn't approve of.

Xue Shen has hinted several times in interviews that the Chinese federation monitors the food intake of their female skaters extremely closely and since the program is (/was?) centralized and the skaters are living away from their families, it is in fact the coaches who would have control over what they are allowed to eat. Katarina Witt has told stories about her coach removing all the food items she would get as gifts and checking her hotel room to make sure she wasn't eating foods that were contraband according to Ms. Muller.

I'm sure similar things have happened with skaters in many different countries, not just with Russian coaches.

Also, the whole idea of coaches "setting parameters under which they think one can succeed" and then the athletes having free choice over whether to accept said parameters or not is pretty ridiculous. If the coaches are setting unreasonable parameters, then they aren't really giving athletes "free choice" because it is pretty much an ultimatum to live up to an unsafe guideline. Some of these athletes are extremely young and easily influenced by the powerful authority figures in their lives, the most important of which (in terms of their career) is their coach. Most teenaged girls do not have the "free will" to be strong enough to stand up to a coach and say "I don't think the parameters you are setting for me are safe or reasonable" or to leave that coach and start over with someone new. A lot of the time, they won't even have the support of their parents because the parents are also heavily invested in their career success and will listen to the coaches over their child.

 

[Tinami Amori]

All you listed are coaches based in the U.S. right?
I mean the fact that it has to be a “you vs us” mentality is not good. One should be able to applaud the good and point out the bad regardless of a flag.

Yes, i listed Gracie Gold situation and coaches, in reply to a comment that it is Russia which has the most acute problem.

For Tutberidze at least it just seems like there’s evidence of things not being 100%. Maybe part of it has to do with her and her team figuring out things as they gain experience, but pretending it’s all a perfect environment is also like of foolish. This isn’t something that only team Tutberidze is guilty of.

Tutberidze knew, but she also knew that she with great difficulties arranged with the Federation for Mother to be officially Assistant Coach with a salary and travel allowance, EXACTLY for the purpose of taking care of Julia's diet and needs.

I don't see why a coach should doubt Mother's best efforts and intentions about her own daughter's health. Julia's mother is a very strong willed woman. She and Eteri had many fights and arguments. Julia's diet was not one of them. I suppose, Eteri thought that Mother knows best.

 

[DimaToe]

Yes, i listed Gracie Gold situation and coaches, in reply to a comment that it is Russia which has the most acute problem.


Tutberidze knew, but she also knew that she with great difficulties arranged with the Federation for Mother to be officially Assistant Coach with a salary and travel allowance, EXACTLY for the purpose of taking care of Julia's diet and needs.

I don't see why a coach should doubt Mother's best efforts and intentions about her own daughter's health. Julia's mother is a very strong willed woman. She and Eteri had many fights and arguments. Julia's diet was not one of them. I suppose, Eteri thought that Mother knows best.

You just contradicted yourself. It’s the same case of pleasing the parent how you put it, so why would soomeone like Carroll be more guilty than Eteri?

 

[Bigbird]

#shakesmyheadinutterdisbelief.

 

[PRlady]

A bit of scientific bad news relative to the discussion: http://theconversation.com/anorexia...han-previously-believed-analysis-shows-102226

 

[Japanfan]

Tutberidze knew, but she also knew that she with great difficulties arranged with the Federation for Mother to be officially Assistant Coach with a salary and travel allowance, EXACTLY for the purpose of taking care of Julia's diet and needs.

I don't see why a coach should doubt Mother's best efforts and intentions about her own daughter's health. Julia's mother is a very strong willed woman. She and Eteri had many fights and arguments. Julia's diet was not one of them. I suppose, Eteri thought that Mother knows best.

Putting a female teenage athlete on a starvation diet is hardly 'taking care' of that person.

A coach should questions a mother's 'best efforts and intentions about her own daughter's health' if the mother does not have the best interests of the child in mind. In fact a coach should question best efforts and intentions about other things as well. Parents can be misguided with regard to what is best for their children, especially if they are overly invested in the child's success or living vicariously through it. Granted, coaches can be misguided as well, but they are experts in the sport, whereas the parent usually is not - unless working in the official capacity of coach. But even in those cases, some parents who coach their child are really not qualified to be doing so.

 

[misskarne]

@Tinami Amori The fact that you can't see anything wrong with a 15 year old CHILD who is extremely small being placed on a fcuking powder diet is exactly what's wrong with this attitude.

You know who those powder diets were actually originally designed for? Morbidly obese people who were placed on them under strict medical supervision because the risks of their morbid obesity outweighed the risks of a too-low caloric intake. Not a little fifteen year old elite athlete who is already slender but is growing up among coaches and "professionals" with a fcuked up attitude who think weighing a skater daily and punishing them by restricting practice times if they gain a few grams is normal.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Tutberidze herself spoke about Lipnitskaia's diet, so regardless of who devised it and was riding Lipnitskaia to follow it, there is no plausible deniability.

 

[Bigbird]

Silver lining? The girl had the common sense to run away from these vices and restart her Academy of Champions on her own terms. It may always be a battle but its good to see her at a healthy weight and looking content with herself.