Papadakis/Cizeron #6 - Season's Over - Let's Get Drunk!

[MelDee]

When we speak about Gadbois, they have a lot of teams but they have 2 ice rinks, do they have more ?

I'm not an insider obviously, but judging from the video material of the Gadbois teams, there are three rinks that they use. The speed skating rink, this rink that we see pretty often from the Gadbois teams & they sometimes train in this one as well.

 

[Isabelle.G]

I'm not an insider obviously, but judging from the video material of the Gadbois teams, there are three rinks that they use. The speed skating rink, this rink that we see pretty often from the Gadbois teams & they sometimes train in this one as well.

Totally out of topic but the second link reminds me of that hideous camera work in Helsinki and esp this part that is lost forever.

 

[cholla]

Here are some other B&W pictures shot by O. Brajon on the last leg of the French tour. Including a great portrait of Gabriella.

 

[Deleted member 74551]

Alain, I’m afraid I don’t understand you. Are you alleging that P/C’s SD was improperly scored in 2016-17 because of dirty politicking? Because I truly don’t know a single skater, even among those who really admire P/C, who doesn’t think V/M had the clear advantage there that season. Their pattern was better skated every time.

I have the NHK protocols right in front of me. They got all the key points in the Midnight Blues. I presume you are questioning the Level 2 in the PSt? I think we have to remember that we don’t get the same feed the technical panel does (I think we should see it though). However, Gabriella’s counters have quite often been glitchy in the past and a strict caller might have been watching out for her turns specifically. They made a lot of mistakes that season and still scored well- really quite generously at the GPF in particular. The fact that the PCS were still so close each time out between the two teams doesn’t indicate to me that there was any judging conspiracy against them. I really don’t see it.

Any music suggestions for their Tango? I’m wondering what would be considered ‘out of the box’ for that rhythm.

 

[IloveFS]

Tango Maureen (from Rent the musical???)

 

[Excidra]

You're 100% right, in addition of being an outstanding and amazing ice dance couple, both Gaby and Guillaume are great people... definitely great people...



Gaby and Guillaume achieved fantastic performances the last 4 years. Their next goals are Europeans and Worlds and of course Bejing 2022. In any case, they want to be themselves hence promoting their own vision of ice dance, based on contemporary choreographies, softness, class and this very specific ability to pass on emotions to the public. I think they want to move on to new stuff while staying themselves. They wanted to keep on performing the Ed Sheeran SD during the French tour and not the Moonlight Sonata FD. That was a clear sign. Ed Sheeran is about fun and joy while Moonlight Sonata is more about drama. Moving forward, I think they want less drama and more fun in their music, choreographies and programs.

Gaby and Guillaume are exploring any possible options as the beginning of a new Olympic cycle is always the right time to do so. Gaby and Guillaume love challenges, they want/need their coaches to challenge them, they even challenge themselves (like they did in 2016/17) but they also challenge their coaches as well!

They are not interested in being part of a sort of ice dancers manufactory, confined in a kind of routine, without coaches pushing them to take up new challenges, which means the coaches have to spend time and be talented enough to invent these new challenges.

Gaby and Guillaume could leave Gadbois if they can find elsewhere a very strong skating coaching team, fitness coaching team, artistic coaching team, dance coaching team and mental coaching team or at least being confident there's a clear perspective to get that in a short term.
At this point, I guess Gaby and Guillaume would stay in Gadbois but with a different coaching team setup, meaning with new choreographers involved in their programs (like Chris Dean for the OG SD). Given many couples moved or are about to move to Gadbois, I think they may need to extend their skating training to other rinks than Gadbois.

Are you their PR person?

 

[Emdee]

Are you their PR person?

No, he is their very good friend...who being such good friend does not want to give them advice. Dont get this at all.

 

[barbarafan]

No, he is their very good friend...who being such good friend does not want to give them advice. Dont get this at all.

Well that now makes sense. The job of a friend is to comfort them if they are down or introduce some fun to take their minds off of problems. If they are content in the progression of their careers and feel they are in the right place at the right time it would be distracting and upsetting to have someone always being negative and second guessing every move they make. It would be most beneficial to them to just encourage them in their decisions and always be there for them. Or to get drunk with them...(not often as they are in training) also should not eat Black Forest cake in front of them.

 

[Emdee]

Well that now makes sense. The job of a friend is to comfort them if they are down or introduce some fun to take their minds off of problems. If they are content in the progression of their careers and feel they are in the right place at the right time it would be distracting and upsetting to have someone always being negative and second guessing every move they make. It would be most beneficial to them to just encourage them in their decisions and always be there for them. Or to get drunk with them...(not often as they are in training) also should not eat Black Forest cake in front of them.

Definitely no black forest cake or croquembouche as the case maybe. Though it would be ok to give some to Gaby as I read somewhere that nothing makes her put on weight.

On another note cannot wait to hear about their new programs and choreography.

 

[Excidra]

No, he is their very good friend...who being such good friend does not want to give them advice. Dont get this at all.

What don't you get?

 

[Emdee]

What don't you get?

If someone was my good friend I would definitely give advice...in fact would feel honour bound to do so.
There is a dichotomy in Alains posts on the one hand he says he has the inside track then on the other he doesnt want to give advice. He makes unsubstantiated allegations....

 

[Judy]

Don't forget Leana Caron, president of the Canadian fed acting as ... one of the scoring judges !

And the French judge doesn’t score 1st for their skaters? That’s going to happen ... with every country when the skaters are in medal position.

 

[Emdee]

What don't you get?

Good friends give advice to their friends...Dont understand why Alain doesnt give them advice!

 

[Judy]

Good friends give advice to their friends...Dont understand why Alain doesnt give them advice!

Because it isn’t always the case.

 

[Excidra]

If someone was my good friend I would definitely give advice...in fact would feel honour bound to do so.
There is a dichotomy in Alains posts on the one hand he says he has the inside track then on the other he doesnt want to give advice. He makes unsubstantiated allegations....

Are you saying he's s fraud. Side eye as i sip the tea you just served. Hehe

 

[Japanfan]

And the French judge doesn’t score 1st for their skaters? That’s going to happen ... with every country when the skaters are in medal position.

Oh no, no, no. Only Canada engages in such nefarious practices.

If you've been on FSU for time you'll be aware of this opinion.

In contrast, you'll also be aware that the Russians are always better, and their marks are always deserved. Even when a Russian dance team has a fall, as happened with G&P during one Olympic event, they get a free pass/do not go to jail card.

That said, the PWTB in ice dance seem to favor North American teams these past few years.

I guess it is just the pendulum swinging.

I have a hard time forming opinions about ice dance teams technically - I do much better with singles and pairs because the elements are so delineated and a jump error is a jump error is a jump error, easy to identify.

In any case, I digress. My point is that there is a degree of subjectivity in ice dance judging. Even the most rigorous aspects of CoP cannot eliminate it.

 

[Viscaro]

Hey, too much gloom here. We need a bit of sunny Gabriella to make it better :
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh7utBegGG9/?taken-by=gabriellapapadakis

She seems to have the time of her life vacationing in Mexico as per her IG stories so really I am in no mood to be sad for her OSM ! What a quad they had !

P/C are getting more and more famous in France. I think the athletes most written about in the French newspaper after Fourcade (who won like 2000 OGM). That's really a feat. Their present is bright and their future as well

 

[maya1985]

Only Canada engages in such nefarious practices.

and which other federation president was also a judge? This is the definition of a conflict of interest (but not for ISU and the IOC)

 

[Judy]

and which other federation president was also a judge? This is the definition of a conflict of interest (but not for ISU and the IOC)

But that’s my point. What difference does it truly make? I actually think that it is good to have a judge as head of Skate Canada. So if it wasn’t her it would be another Cdn judge. Same result.

 

[Cam1409]

But that’s my point. What difference does it truly make? I actually think that it is good to have a judge as head of Skate Canada. So if it wasn’t her it would be another Cdn judge. Same result.

In fact that's not make a real difference.... They could give the higher or the lower score it will always be cut.

But imo, I don't think it's a good idea (and not only in sport) to have two functions so different but tied.
It could lead to so many discussions and uncertainty. And obviously we don't need more....
That's why I think, and it would not be complicated for the ISU to do something, when a judge becomes a president federation or have an important role in a federation, he should leave his/her spot.

In France, Nathalie Pechalat, who obtained a judge spot last season decided to leave her spot to someone else because of her work as a sport commentator. She didn't have to do that, but it's more fair.

 

[Miloune]

In France, Nathalie Pechalat, who obtained a judge spot last season decided to leave her spot to someone else because of her work as a sport commentator. She didn't have to do that, but it's more fair.

Too bad for Chock/Bates. She loves them!

 

[Deleted member 74551]

Presidents of federations shouldn’t be judging, but it would have made zip difference if another Canadian judge had been there. I believe the USFSA president is also a judge? But I also think that the griping about this is a smokescreen for the much bigger and much more complicated issue in figure skating judging across all disciplines, which is the blocs that are still obviously formed. One of the Eurosport guys also once said he wanted to get technical training so he could better identify and explain the levels but that he wasn’t allowed to as a commentator.

We should have have moved to professional judges a long time ago IMO. It would solve at least some of the conflict of interest problems.

Gabi looks like she’s having a wonderful time on vacation! I’m jealous.

 

[Cam1409]

Too bad for Chock/Bates. She loves them!

a h a h a h a

 

[cocotaffy]

Tango music and cello, killing two birds with one stone.
Carter Brey : Tango para llaria
Matthier Saglio : Llamado Tango (Suggested on Twitter to Gaby so let's cross our fingers she does read comments)

I really love those two pieces, it could give a fantastic result.

 

[Deleted member 74551]

Tango music and cello, killing two birds with one stone.
Carter Brey : Tango para llaria
Matthier Saglio : Llamado Tango (Suggested on Twitter to Gaby so let's cross our fingers she does read comments)

I really love those two pieces, it could give a fantastic result.

I am in love with that first piece!

 

[cocotaffy]

I am in love with that first piece!

Exactly me too everything is in it: energy, texture, drama, intensity and the amazing velvety sound of cello.

 

[sap5]

One of the Eurosport guys also once said he wanted to get technical training so he could better identify and explain the levels but that he wasn’t allowed to as a commentator.

Has that rule changed? Ben Agosto has technical training, but he commentates?

 

[Peepsquick]

I am in love with that first piece!

I am in love with both! Great finds, Cocotaffy!

 

[Judy]

Has that rule changed? Ben Agosto has technical training, but he commentates?

But he was an ice dancer so not hard for him.

 

[Judy]

Oh no, no, no. Only Canada engages in such nefarious practices.

If you've been on FSU for time you'll be aware of this opinion.

In contrast, you'll also be aware that the Russians are always better, and their marks are always deserved. Even when a Russian dance team has a fall, as happened with G&P during one Olympic event, they get a free pass/do not go to jail card.

That said, the PWTB in ice dance seem to favor North American teams these past few years.

I guess it is just the pendulum swinging.

I have a hard time forming opinions about ice dance teams technically - I do much better with singles and pairs because the elements are so delineated and a jump error is a jump error is a jump error, easy to identify.

In any case, I digress. My point is that there is a degree of subjectivity in ice dance judging. Even the most rigorous aspects of CoP cannot eliminate it.

Yes I wish the judges were allowed to talk to educate even at a surface level.