Interview with ISU Vice President Lakernik on how figure skating will change

[Judy]

Jackie Wong reacts to the name change from Short Dance to Rhythm Dance.

https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/980952341976317952

What a silly name.

 

[VGThuy]

What a silly name.

I actually prefer it because it is more descriptive and goes with "free dance" better. If the FD had been called the "long dance" then I would think the "short dance" went with it better.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Let's understand that the eastern block, led by Russia, drives most of the rule changes. As a result, their skaters tend to benefit the most from rule changes.

Who is doing all he quads? Japanese, Chinese, Americans
Who has the most stamina issues getting through 4:30? Russian pairs and men, who do elements almost at a standstill in the last minute.
When you look back at all the pairs rule changes, suppressing values for quads and upping values for simple sbs triples and throws, this played right into the hands of Russian skaters who did the easiest sbs triples and throws and no quads (until T/M twist)

Russia men are also doing the quad, the country that benefits the most from rule changes are Canadians, they are really struggling to do quads harder than Salchow. As for Russians, Aliev and Kolyada have landed Quad Lutz, on top of that Kolyada won a medal at the world championships. A few months ago, before Chen started throwing his Quads, much of the whining here on how Quads are unhealthy and should be limited in numbers came from N Americans. Now that one of the Americans is landing them, it is all Kosher.

As for pairs, US is reduced to one spot, Canada had two pairs that didn't qualify for LP; countries that benefit from increasing the entries to LP are the Canadians, giving them an additional chance to move up and maintain the two spots.
Also, D/R are gone, S/M did not win with quads or more difficult SBS jumps, S/H are the only top team likely to compete until Bejing 2022. Then Juniors are filled with teams that can land SBS 3 jumps, and quad if not triple twists... As for your comments, T/M is doing the quad twist, how many are actually trying doing a quad twist? very, very few. Boikova/Kozlovskii are doing 3 Loop as SBS jumps, Kostiuliuch/Ialin also has a quad twist, many of Russian juniors are pushing their SBS contents. So your assertion that Russians are reducing the SBS jump score to benefit Russians are devoid of truth. In the coming years, the challenge to Russians will come from Aussie and the Czech pair, Canadian pair would need all the politicking to score high with the teams described above. Is this possible, yes we have the example of D/R, a mediocre pairs team politicked into very high pcs score.

The arguments against S/M's abilities would hold more credibility if he aired his own skaters' dirty laundry. Talk about your ladies who can do 7 triples but have 6-7 level SS and use less than half the ice surface in the last half of programs....yet pull 9s like a boss. How you fixing that, big boy? Talk about how T/M (mostly him) stop moving in the last minute and give zero energy to the performance as he skates with his mouth open gasping for air but the 9s are flying.

Well, he should speak of D/R and their clunky programs... If only the likes of Osmond were given 4 for transition then we can talk.

I worry about +5/-5. A way to help skaters who do easy elements (jumps) get the same score as those with more technical prowess. You can be sure the skaters getting +3 for jumps that cover no ice and have avg height and zero flow on the landing will graduate to +5 on day 1. Right now, we're not giving +3 for quality. We give it to the most consistent jumpers (even on spins). Until the ISU gets reconnected to what quality truly is, I hate this change...for now.

The ones doing easy elements are Canadians, Russians are going for Quad lutz (Kolyada, Aliev and Samarin), they have more to lose from +5/-5. Easy elements are more of a Canadian thing, remember Jeff Buttle. Quad jumps and difficult jumps are more tried by Trusova and other Russian junior girls, they will lose points from these moves as well.

Watch how much more dominant Russian skaters become in the next cycle. The groundwork is being laid.

Russians may do well, look at the junior world championship results, a clean sweep in all 4 events, but that is due to having a conveyor belt of good athletes. The only groundwork that has been laid is of Canadian whining, you really have problems in all events other than ladies (ice dance you will an NA tech specialist). The last world championships you had 4 teams/ athletes that did not make to the LP, you really have a problem. I guess rest of us will have to be ready for constant whining from people like you who will blame the rule changes for Canadian demise.

 

[overedge]

The only groundwork that has been laid is of Canadian whining, you really have problems in all events other than ladies (ice dance you will an NA tech specialist). The last world championships you had 4 teams/ athletes that did not make to the LP, you really have a problem. I guess rest of us will have to be ready for constant whining from people like you who will blame the rule changes for Canadian demise.

How about you actually address the changes themselves instead of spreading ridiculous deep-state conspiracy theories?

 

[Deleted member 40371]

How about you actually address the changes themselves instead of spreading ridiculous deep-state conspiracy theories?

I replied to a post and comments made in the post. Last time I checked you are not a moderator, so ...

 

[overedge]

I replied to a post and comments made in the post. Last time I checked you are not a moderator, so ...

Yeah, you replied to them with half-baked tinfoil-hat anti-Canada BS. I'll rephrase my question so you might be able to understand it. Taking individual countries out of it, what do you think about the proposals themselves?

 

[Deleted member 40371]

Yeah, you replied to them with half-baked tinfoil-hat anti-Canada BS. I'll rephrase my question so you might be able to understand it. Taking individual countries out of it, what do you think about the proposals themselves?

Well, I expressed my opinion to Rock2 comments... people like you only know that kind of language hence had to stop o your level. Some Canadians seem to suffer from a severe case of victim envy and hence claim everything is done to suppress their interests, when rules have been crafted or supported to keep them in the game for a very long time.

 

[Rock2]

Well, he should speak of D/R and their clunky programs... If only the likes of Osmond were given 4 for transition then we can talk.


The ones doing easy elements are Canadians, Russians are going for Quad lutz (Kolyada, Aliev and Samarin), they have more to lose from +5/-5. Easy elements are more of a Canadian thing, remember Jeff Buttle. Quad jumps and difficult jumps are more tried by Trusova and other Russian junior girls, they will lose points from these moves as well.

On D/R and Osmond thanks for validating my point. Diffuse any argument against your own skaters by deflecting to others. It's kinda like talking to a Trump supporter. Throw a dart at Trump and the answer starts with "yeah but Hillary...."

Anyway, more than happy to break down the components of Zagitova, T/M, D/R and Osmond. Luckily, there is no deduction in the rulebook for 'clunky' programs, so we can swat that comment aside pretty quick. I know several months ago someone made a comment about Osmond transitions so I started to go through her long. Part way through I had counted up to 17 with a wide range of movement, difficulty and variety. I didn't go through to the end because I was satisfied and just assumed the poster didn't know what a transition was.

I could almost buy your argument on +5/-5 if the GoE scoring was properly applied. The highest GoE (even for spins/footwork) goes to the more consistent jumpers with good difficulty, not the best quality elements.
If judges were scoring what they were actually seeing, I'd be happy to evaluate your argument again.

 

[Bellanca]

In my observation, quad whining has been pretty evenly spread out across the board when discussing which countries will ultimately benefit from the rules changing. I do not think it is accurate to suggest that any whining or complaining regarding this topic has been by the fans of just one or two countries alone.

Imho, the fans of those skaters who do not have a reliable quad will remain unhappy when the new rules are applied, regardless of the country that skater represents which will continue to produce a fair amount of whining... at least from my perspective.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

On D/R and Osmond thanks for validating my point. Diffuse any argument against your own skaters by deflecting to others. It's kinda like talking to a Trump supporter. Throw a dart at Trump and the answer starts with "yeah but Hillary...."

Anyway, more than happy to break down the components of Zagitova, T/M, D/R and Osmond. Luckily, there is no deduction in the rulebook for 'clunky' programs, so we can swat that comment aside pretty quick. I know several months ago someone made a comment about Osmond transitions so I started to go through her long. Part way through I had counted up to 17 with a wide range of movement, difficulty and variety. I didn't go through to the end because I was satisfied and just assumed the poster didn't know what a transition was.

I could almost buy your argument on +5/-5 if the GoE scoring was properly applied. The highest GoE (even for spins/footwork) goes to the more consistent jumpers with good difficulty, not the best quality elements.
If judges were scoring what they were actually seeing, I'd be happy to evaluate your argument again.

Your original post was a prime example of trump supporter's behaviour. Zagitova and Medvedeva deserve 6 and 7 PCs are ... score because he mentioned about S/M program... how Russian men don’t do difficult quad ... Russian pairs don’t do difficult jumps, they are a standstill for last minute...

How you fixing that, big boy? Talk about how T/M (mostly him) stop moving in the last minute and give zero energy to the performance as he skates with his mouth open gasping for air but the 9s are flying.

your this part is a classic example of everything you are complaining about. Trump supporters are guilty a lot of things, so are people complaining about him.

 

[Japanfan]

Some Canadians seem to suffer from a severe case of victim envy and hence claim everything is done to suppress their interests, when rules have been crafted or supported to keep them in the game for a very long time.

I'm sure you can provide a plethora of references for said Canadian whiners?

Thank you in advance!

 

[Ohyes]

@Domshabfan your a fan of an ice dance team known the most for doing an incredible racist act degrading indigenous people, so you don't have a lot of room to complain about the skating of others, just saying.

 

[Deleted member 40371]

@Domshabfan your a fan of an ice dance team known the most for doing an incredible racist act degrading indigenous people, so you don't have a lot of room to complain about the skating of others, just saying.

Well, I don't need your certificate on anything, just saying.

 

[Sylvia]

Alexander Lakernik: The current rating system is objective, but the judges are ordinary people
April 14, 13:45
Author: Sergey Podgornov
Source: "Soviet Sport"
https://www.sovsport.ru/others/figu...tema-ocenok-ob-ektivna-no-sudi-obychnye-ljudi
(Link to Google translation)