Incident at Disney on Ice performance in Winnipeg

[rfisher]

What happened is: physical abuse, verbal abuse, infringement on one’s enjoyment of an event for which one paid to attend, all in context of “ethnic slur” and “attack on minors by other minors, inaction of the adult supervising the attackers”.

Proper action by an adult in charge of victims is:
ask supervising adult of the attackers to stop. Video-tape on smart-phone the slurs, sit kicking, clothes pulling. Leave the arena (with kids), find manager or security guard and report (record the conversation with the authorities).

Whatever happens after the complaint, cooperation of the authorities, non-cooperation/dismissal of complaint, and/or possible negative reaction of the authorities against the complaining party, is documented. The attempt is made to take proper actions, and it is recorded. All that can be used to seek compensation, to find and punish the offenders, alert the media and bring further attention to this specific and the bigger issue. Most important, it would teach the kids how to address such situations properly.

What happened is:
the mother decided it is more important to enjoy the show than to engage in, yes!, unpleasant process of confronting the other parent, and to notify authorities. However, some issues are more important than viewing an ice show, such as discrimination against your family and! one’s own people (or any discrimination situations regardless).

She perhaps assumed (based on history) that authorities will not help, and may turn against her. One never knows until one tries, and one should try using legal/legitimate methods, when there are written laws even if they are not always used properly.

She contacted media post-factum, “somehow, somewhere”, and now she has no proof, unable to identify, locate and punish the offenders, to seek compensation from the venue (if they did not act to protect her), and worst yet: she set a bad example for her children – “to avoid and push under the rug, instead of confronting injustice in a proper manner”.

(and if anyone tells me that i have not been in woman’s shoes, pls remember I am Jew (so are many of my friends) who grew up in USSR in the late 60’s/early 70’s where there were NO laws protecting "ethnic groups" and "limitation quotas" for jews in schools and employement, and that should say it all. Besides the most blunt anti-semitic verbal and physical attacks I experienced as a teenager and as an adult in “liberal progressive California” were from white righteous Lefties and Blacks. And I am still here… and without “victim” mentality, and not on welfare, or crying into my mother’s sleeve about “evil humans”.)

Now the woman’s words to the press are just that – words. Good that some people believed her and are concerned. But! she left a possibility now for her opponents to claim she made it up for sympathy or personal gains. Yet she could have helped her family and her people, and taught her kids to be proud.. if she MADE a blimey effort!

You aren't wrong in that she should have spoken up, at least to get the attention of the adult with the children and ask that she control her children; however, there are other issues at play as many have mentioned. I was once on the Navajo reservation in AZ and stopped for gas at a convenience store. The clerk was white. There was a Native woman waiting at the counter. I was waiting my turn. The clerk, very rudely, told the Native woman to get out of the way so my friends and I could pay. The Native woman didn't say a word but moved aside. I said, no, I'd wait my turn. The clerk insisted. I started to insist back until I looked closely at the woman's face. She was frightened. It dawned on me that I could make a big deal and then get back in my car and drive away feeling smug about standing up for her rights when she didn't. Except, she had to live there and probably had to buy gas and groceries at this store a lot (there wasn't another one for miles). I paid my bill and left. Now, in this situation, I don't know what this woman should have done, but I doubt a confrontation would have accomplished anything positive and could have had very negative consequences for the woman and her children. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

 

[Japanfan]

Proper action by an adult in charge of victims is:
ask supervising adult of the attackers to stop. Video-tape on smart-phone the slurs, sit kicking, clothes pulling. Leave the arena (with kids), find manager or security guard and report (record the conversation with the authorities).

You are assuming that the authorities involved will care about the victim and be respectful towards her or him. This is unfortunately often not the case for Indigenous people, who are commonly seen as inferior to whites.

She perhaps assumed (based on history) that authorities will not help, and may turn against her. One never knows until one tries, and one should try using legal/legitimate methods, when there are written laws even if they are not always used properly.

Indigenous people and other POC often do know, from experience.

 

[Tinami Amori]

You are assuming that the authorities involved will care about the victim and be respectful towards her and him..

I've already addressed that possibility. One should try, and not assume. Also tape the conversation with smart-phone and then there are records which one can use further if not help given. If the Mother expects no sympathy, then what is the purpose of going to the press after the fact? now she only has "words", not a documented incident.

Indigenous people and other POC often do know, from experience.

I swear you just want to repeat "there is injustice against indigenous people"..... We know that! it's awful! But there are process to document such and fight it.

Now you can't even find the family who attacked her kids, nor any evidence to make any claims against them or the venue. And! worst yet! She wanted to avoid confrontation and let the kids enjoy the show. Well.... the kids not only did not get to enjoy the show, they experienced insults, kicking, pulling AND! ended up in role of "victim" without recourse. Is that good?

 

[VGThuy]

I think people are a bit frustrated and a little appalled that you choose to solely focus on the victim and how she isn't strong or didn't teach her kids a good lesson, according to you. We get it. You don't like the way this woman handled it and if it were you, you would kick their asses or force the rink management (and if that didn't work, then the police) to handle it and if you faced injustice/jail time/etc. you would have recorded the incident and THEN contact the press with images of those people who started it with police mistreatment (because that always works out well for POC and for indigenous people who have been brutalized and victimized by authority).

Not everybody is as strong as you supposedly are Tinami or learned how to fight back. Nobody is saying you should make this lady out to be admirable or a hero, but surely you can try to sympathize with someone who may not be strong enough to confront bigoted behavior as she probably was victimized by it her whole life and learned to "ignore" it as a survival skill. I know so many strong people who confronted with straight up bigotry and harassment who just shut down because they simply cannot deal with it and/or are seriously afraid of confrontation and the consequences of it. It's learned behavior and there's a reason why it was learned.

Anyway, going to the press worked in its own way. Maybe she didn't want to get those specific perpetrators involved or to be named for fear of retaliation or to actually control the story on her terms as I doubt they'd be coming forward and get rid of the safety of anonymity to dispute this woman's claims. Instead she got to tell her story, and the response she's received has been incredibly positive and she and her kids are seeing that the community does care. Her reaction seems to be one of surprise as much as gratefulness that the response has been so kind to her and her children. I'm also sure it served to publicize and start a discussion of discrimination and harassment of indigenous people are facing in that area.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I think people are a bit frustrated and a little appalled that you choose to solely focus on the victim and how she isn't strong or didn't teach her kids a good lesson, according to you. We get it.

- The incident is spilled milk. Saying "how awful" is not helpful. Complaining to the media after the fact, without anything documented, is not helpful. It will not punish the offenders, and has nothing to start any action.
- the only thing that is helpful, to discuss what can be done better for more effective results.
- "blaming the victim" means blaming mother for starting the confrontation or handling the confrontation incorrectly. that is not the case. she is a victim, and not to be blamed.

.... But it does not mean that her "solution to the problem" is productive, for her and kids' sake.

 

[VGThuy]

So she's not a hero. Again, maybe she didn't feel brave enough to confront those people at the time. Now that this incident happened and she received a wave of support, the next time it may happen, maybe she will have learned that she does not have to take it, be brave enough to speak up, and can look for help. It's a lesson learned. It takes some people years and even decades to learn how to be strong and have enough dignity to speak up and demand respect. No need to get angry at her for failing to learn that lesson earlier, if she ever does.

 

[Tinami Amori]

So she's not a hero. Again, maybe she didn't feel brave enough to confront those people at the time. Now that this incident happened and she received a wave of support, the next time it may happen, maybe she will have learned that she does not have to take it, be brave enough to speak up, and can look for help. It's a lesson learned. It takes some people years and even decades to learn how to be strong and have enough dignity to speak up and demand respect. No need to get angry at her for failing to learn that lesson earlier, if she ever does.

How will she learn if people just feel sorry for her, and don't advise her on the right, legal, proper steps? (not that i am suggesting she reads FSU..).

I did not get angry at her, my comments were "i wish she'd done things differently" in ways that are productive. What's the point of this information posted, if not to find, even in theory, a solution for a family in such situation? So that every one feels sorry for her, and confirms the known fact that "she is a victim, and it is awful"? we all know that already....

 

[pat c]

How will she learn if people just feel sorry for her, and don't advise her on the right, legal, proper steps? (not that i am suggesting she reads FSU..).

I did not get angry at her, my comments were "i wish she'd done things differently" in ways that are productive. What's the point of this information posted, if not to find, even in theory, a solution for a family in such situation? So that every one feels sorry for her, and confirms the known fact that "she is a victim, and it is awful"? we all know that already....

She knows. What she has learned is that people reached out to her, so that the next time, maybe she will say something. Aboriginal culture is very different from euro/euro descents ie most of NA. In your face rudeness is not something that they learn. Kindness has made a difference to her and her offspring. I hope it gives her the courage to say something next time, and to realize that not all white people are jerks.

 

[Tinami Amori]

She knows. What she has learned is that people reached out to her, so that the next time, maybe she will say something. Aboriginal culture is very different from euro/euro descents ie most of NA. In your face rudeness is not something that they learn. Kindness has made a difference to her and her offspring. I hope it gives her the courage to say something next time, and to realize that not all white people are jerks.

That makes sense!

But i found something even better! Mandy Colomb's brother has a gun, and teaching the kid to handle it! Watch out jerks! Mandy posted a foto on facebook. "Mandy Colomb My baby girl and her uncle I love this picture!"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...50260916.37289.100000156754130&type=3&theater

 

[Japanfan]

That makes sense!

But i found something even better! Mandy Colomb's brother has a gun, and teaching the kid to handle it! Watch out jerks! Mandy posted a foto on facebook. "Mandy Colomb My baby girl and her uncle I love this picture!"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...50260916.37289.100000156754130&type=3&theater

Way to go! Let's just normalize guns among children early in life.

 

[barbarafan]

Many Indigenous people have little trust in persons of authority, as too many such persons have displayed racism towards them and/or demeaned and denigrated them.

Still so much work to be done. I am ashamed that we still have so many racists in Canada.

 

[Twilight1]

Racist jerks aren't exclusive to just white people...

 

[Japanfan]

This is honestly a symptom of a much bigger issue in this country.

I love many aspects of Canada... but the racism against Indigenous peoples is a huge and heartbreaking issue. It is baffling that we can purport to be so kind and caring yet many reserves in this country do not have clean drinking water and haven't since the 80's!!

Are some Canadians so willfully ignorant? Or simply don't care?

Many simply don't care. And, many have the impression that Indigenous people should just 'pull themselves up by the bootstraps. . .get jobs. . .get with the program'. They don't understand that Indigenous people don't have the same individualistic, materialistic mentality that characterizes western societies in general. Plus, their understandings of justice and well-being (closely tied to nature) are distinct from the typical western understandings.

Also, many reserves are still in isolated, rural areas. We've gone multiple times to a campground located on a rural reserve on Vancouver Island that is right on the ocean. It is a two hour drive down a dirt road to get there, and the tiny town a few miles away has a school, library, general store that sells alcohol, tobacco, and very limited food choices, and a post office - not much more. There may be boat access to a larger community on the coast, but that too would take a few hours.

I don't know where the people on the reserve/in the town go for medical care, or how they organize access to better shopping. The people on the reserve sure don't have many options for jobs, excepting the jobs needed to manage the campground.

There are scholarships in Canadian universities for Indigenous people that aren't awarded because there aren't enough applicants. But even if an Indigenous person got through high school (graduation rates are lower than for the general population), that person would then have to leave the reserve and make her/his way in society at large. Some do - university attendance rates are increasing for Indigenous people, with mature women being the largest population to seek higher education -but Indigenous people largely continue to face cultural, financial and social barriers to 'advancement' within Canadian society.

To me, the fact that most reserves are still located in remote, rural areas, contributing to the ongoing marginalization of Indigenous people, makes the whole notion of assimilation of a joke. Even if they wanted to assimilate, entire communities can't realistically uproot themselves to do so.

 

[WildRose]

I have a niece who is a public health nurse. She works in an isolated Indigenous community on Vancouver Island and gets to her job every day by boat and plane. Prior to that she worked at health clinics on reserves in Alberta. It is easy to criticize, but this is a complicated issue, and there are many people who do care, and who work to help Canada’s Indigenous Communities.

 

[Twilight1]

The course I took in college was specifically designed for rural indigenous to access so that they could help with community development, addictions, mental health, suicide prevention, family violence, child abuse, etc.

Come for the 2 year program, go back to your community and aid in rebuilding.

Many of my classmates took Bearskin Airlines into Thunder Bay. It truly is mind boggling what communities face. I believe BC and Ontario are actively working towards merging western medicine with traditional to build understanding. The name of the initiative escapes me. CAMH is also trying to aid service providers appreciate the myriad of cultures within the Indigenous population.

Just so much work that still needs to be done.

My own grandmother asked me why I would I take a Native focus program at school. Her asking is the very reason I did.

She lives not far from where this Native woman came from.

 

[Vash01]

So she's not a hero. Again, maybe she didn't feel brave enough to confront those people at the time. Now that this incident happened and she received a wave of support, the next time it may happen, maybe she will have learned that she does not have to take it, be brave enough to speak up, and can look for help. It's a lesson learned. It takes some people years and even decades to learn how to be strong and have enough dignity to speak up and demand respect. No need to get angry at her for failing to learn that lesson earlier, if she ever does.

I think Tinami is speaking from the persoective of a white person who has never encountered a similar situation. It is easy for her to say she would have done this or that, to fight back. However, fighting back does not always produce positive results for minorities, as we hear about what happens to some minorities like the black peopke, when they try to exercise their rights. Some feel safer not fighting back. I have no experience with the indigenous people in Canada (ir anywhere) and we don't hear much about their plight. From my limited perspective i am assuming that the indigenous people in Canada are afraid to resist because it may make things even worse for them.

 

[jersey1302]

Wow, I have so many questions.. I am pretty shocked by this. I live in Winnipeg and I am a bit surprised. I am aware that there is a racism against aboriginal people in the city. Winnipeg has a very large number of aboriginal and metis people. The entire run down core and parts of downtown are filled with homeless and very low income people of those origins and its visible to everyone who ventures into those parts of the city. There is a large negative view that stems out to all of that origin unfortunately. Its very unfortunate people in this world still cant recognize us as just one. Being all human. Thats it. We all deserve respect, love and dignity and there are people in this world who wouldnt know what those are if it smacked them in the face. I feel terrible to that family. No one should have to endure those kinds of hurtful words and actions.

Now for the actual event. I assume there are a ton of people the attend the show. A- Where the **** were the kids parents when they were acting like that? B- Why didn't anyone else say something? C- Why didn't the parents turn around and call security and stand up for them selves. (not blaming the victims but just saying if that happened to me i'd be the first one to get up in their faces). There must of been many many people witnessing this and shame on them for not standing up for the situation as well. I would really like to know if they found out who the bullies were and if anything is going to be done about this.

 

[Tinami Amori]

You are assuming that the authorities involved will care about the victim and be respectful towards her or him. This is unfortunately often not the case for Indigenous people, who are commonly seen as inferior to whites.

- if immediate authorities do not care, given there are relevant laws, make them care and/or go to the next level.
- people can "see and think" about others whatever they want, as long as they don't act upon it.
- the "attacker" family broke several laws (as i see it), which address not only the group of Native Indians or ethnically motivated attacks in general; they started an unprovoked verbal and physical attack against a group of people, who are in addition are minors. Indians, martians, green or purple.... a group of people initiated and conducted an offensive and harmful behavior against others. That is covered by law, and should be used to hold attackers accountable. In order to hold attackers accountable, one must a) document it, b) contact authorities. There is NO other way, unless one wants to fight back, physically or verbally, depending on the situation.... a method you do not approve of, obviously.

Many simply don't care. And, many have the impression that Indigenous people should just 'pull themselves up by the bootstraps. . .get jobs. . .get with the program'. They don't understand that Indigenous people don't have the same individualistic, materialistic mentality that characterizes western societies in general. Plus, their understandings of justice and well-being (closely tied to nature) are distinct from the typical western understandings.

While i believe that "individualistic, materialistic mentality" is good, i also believe that any group of people, especially the one that was "here first", has a right to exist and to live in its primordial conditions, if that is what they want, and should fight for and insist on the rights to do so (demand independence and more territories, keeping their own more collectivist society structure, hunt deer, live off the fields and forest, practice native medicine and social rituals, etc.) Different social structures should be able to exist side by side without interfering with each other.

There are tribes in the Amazon and other parts of the world, in various stages of evolution measured against "western societies", which exist without interference from "western/westernized" segments of population, and live according to their systems. They have a right to do so. But if these groups or individuals chose to integrate into "another form of society", they should adopt basic and essential rules and social norms of society while keeping their own traditions and ways of life (that are allowed by law) in private settings. That means being proactive in getting education, finding work, using laws properly, when jerks (and i mean it) attack them without a reason (or for some idiotic personal reason).

There are two choices for those of "non-western culture". either demand your space and live accordingly, or adopt the western culture. And it's not about "western" vs. "native". it's general: if culture A wants to stay culture A, demand your own space. If culture A wants to be culture B, adopt essential elements of culture B (and keep yours private). You can't have it both ways, live as chose by culture A, and yet demand benefits of culture B.

Shakers have and live in such form of a community, doing fine and there are no conflicts with western society, overall.

We all deserve respect, love and dignity and there are people in this world who wouldnt know what those are if it smacked them in the face. I feel terrible to that family. No one should have to endure those kinds of hurtful words and actions.

Every person deserves respect and consideration of one's civil rights (and that's sometimes involves respect and dignity). Love is a) subjective and b) not a right. I stick by a phrase that you can not and should not legislate love, sympathy, empathy, passion and compassion. It does not matter if Person A dislikes Person B for whatever reason, as long as there are laws preventing A from direct physical and financial harm to B.

I assume there are a ton of people the attend the show. A- Where the **** were the kids parents when they were acting like that? B- Why didn't anyone else say something? C- Why didn't the parents turn around and call security and stand up for them selves. (not blaming the victims but just saying if that happened to me i'd be the first one to get up in their faces). There must of been many many people witnessing this and shame on them for not standing up for the situation as well. I would really like to know if they found out who the bullies were and if anything is going to be done about this.

It was dark probably, "other people" were watching the show, from distance the situation could have looked like "kids fussing around". But! i absolutely agree with you on what i highlighted in your post.

I think Tinami is speaking from the persoective of a white person who has never encountered a similar situation.

Have you heard of "Jews and discrimination" in former Soviet Union? But don't let me short-circuit "the board" with a new subject... Look.... extrapolation is not your forte; stick to repeating like a parrot all the PC-approved proclamations and you’ll do much better.

 

[Tinami Amori]

xx sorry - posts are duplicating.

 

[Tinami Amori]

#2 xx sorry - posts are duplicating

 

[Japanfan]

- if immediate authorities do not care, given there are relevant laws, make them care and/or go to the next level.

That would require police and security forces to address racism within their own ranks.

The number of 'accidental' shootings of people of color by police forces in the US shows that this is not being handled adequately. For example, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ting-where-is-darren-wilson-now-10450347.html.

At least in this case, the police officer resigned - although a grand jury chose not to indict him.

But if these groups or individuals chose to integrate into "another form of society", they should adopt basic and essential rules and social norms of society while keeping their own traditions and ways of life (that are allowed by law) in private settings. That means being proactive in getting education, finding work, using laws properly, when jerks (and i mean it) attack them without a reason (or for some idiotic personal reason).

Insofar as Indigenous people have 'integrated' in Canadian society, it was often forced.

For example, the practice of scrip entailed awarding Indigenous people with land or money, in exchange for their relinquishing their status.

And when Indigenous women married white men, they relinquished their status and were therefore isolated from their communities. IIRC, a bill passed in the 1980s (Bill C33) resulted in both Indigenous men and women losing their status. And when status is lost, government resources are lost as well.

and should fight for and insist on the rights to do so (demand independence and more territories, keeping their own more collectivist society structure, hunt deer, live off the fields and forest, practice native medicine and social rituals, etc.) Different social structures should be able to exist side by side without interfering with each other.

I'm reminded of issues pertinent to whale and seal hunting. Indigenous people and Inuit have defended their right to engage in these traditional practices - though I don't recall the end result of that.

 

[DreamSkates]

She had every right to directly confront those little racists and their guardian to protect her children and herself. She complains the guardian just sat there and did nothing, but apparently, she too enabled the racism by telling her kids to ignore it and do nothing. Speak up! She had every right, but did not exercise it, to protect her kids and stand-up to stupid children (ages 6 - 10) and show an example of strength through Motherhood. Opportunity lost. SAD.

I don't know this mother/family, but some cultures are non-confrontational.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I don't know this mother/family, but some cultures are non-confrontational.

Then either separate your cultural group from the confrontational one, or learn to confront and win.

That would require police and security forces to address racism within their own ranks.

If first try did not work, go higher, until you have results. Or try, and then go to the media. As we saw, after the interview, the reaction was supportive. Except that she did not have a proof of the incident or being able to show an attempt to involve authorities and being denied help. That would be AN EASY LAWSUIT win in her favor.

The number of 'accidental' shootings of people of color by police forces in the US shows that this is not being handled adequately. For example, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ting-where-is-darren-wilson-now-10450347.html. At least in this case, the police officer resigned - although a grand jury chose not to indict him.

That's another issues. You posting this can be viewed as an attempt to throw in yet another "racially charged issue", when we're specifically talking about Canadian Native Indians.

Insofar as Indigenous people have 'integrated' in Canadian society, it was often forced. For example, the practice of scrip entailed awarding Indigenous people with land or money, in exchange for their relinquishing their status.

Unintegrate, or demand what was promised in the agreement.

And when Indigenous women married white men, they relinquished their status and were therefore isolated from their communities. IIRC, a bill passed in the 1980s (Bill C33) resulted in both Indigenous men and women losing their status. And when status is lost, government resources are lost as well.

Don't marry white man, or if you do then learn "western" cultural and legal specifics to stand for your rights.

I'm reminded of issues pertinent to whale and seal hunting. Indigenous people and Inuit have defended their right to engage in these traditional practices - though I don't recall the end result of that.

Will you pls for g-sake buy them guns, Canadians. So they quickly shoot the poor seal, instead of smashing his head and body with an oar....

... and now this is the part where i use the words of "evil white man". Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

[pat c]

Will you pls for g-sake buy them guns, Canadians. So they quickly shoot the poor seal, instead of smashing his head and body with an oar....

Oh they have guns. If you shoot the seal, you ruin a lot of the pelt. Blame the fur buyers for not giving them a decent price so they can kill humanely.

 

[Twilight1]

Tinami- you really need to understand the socialization and indigenous anthropology before making an opinion on this.

Your posts drip of judgement and your own socialization from YOUR life experiences without actually understanding their lives and their experiences and their way of doing things.

Point of fact. They don't have to do what you think they should just because you say so.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Tinami- you really need to understand the socialization and indigenous anthropology before making an opinion on this.

You are right, i know only very general info, not in depth, from 19th cent. Romantic Literature (F.C.) and from occasional coverage in the modern press and from TV documentaries (well, and from few friends from Flagstaff/AZ, but they are not typical Native Indians).

So last night i did some reading; found a lot of historic materials about Cree Indians and First Nation groups in N.E. Canada, and articles which explain the First Nation’s problems and conditions in the Manitoba region (Winnipeg, etc).
(just to list a few.. tried to find the most liberal ones)
http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/welcome-to-winnipeg-where-canadas-racism-problem-is-at-its-worst/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/national-survey-indigenous-attitudes-1.3620705
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lou-james/racist-native-canada_b_3795232.html

.. and then several articles stating and explaining the reactions of the non-native-Indian residents, about not wanting to be surrounded by crime and other negatives, in their views, which come from First Nation’s residents, and concerns how their tax money are spent, and how much (or how little) effort is made by First Nation people to improve their own situation.

It’s a complicated situation, probably for another discussion. So just regarding the original subject: how the mother should act/react and an earlier statement that “First Nation people are pacifists and less inclined towards aggressive self-defense”:

-I found that historically First Nation people are not exactly culturally “pacifists" as suggested earlier. They had wars and armed conflicts among the clans and against settlers, war strategies, and a relatively common military structure and training within the tribes, and some rather "violent" rituals.

- Currently, there are armed gangs, fights, murders and other violence within the community.

- Hunting/using weapons was and still is regular practice.

- “Closer to nature” (than western society) also meant a well developed sense of self-preservation against danger. If a territory of a small tribe got populated by wolves or bears, the tribe either learned to defend it self, or relocated.

So... i still think the woman should have, and had the ability, to demand that the other family kids would stop harassing her kids, to document the incident and report to authorities, and if no results, take that to higher level and to the press.

 

[Mozart]

That would require police and security forces to address racism within their own ranks.

The number of 'accidental' shootings of people of color by police forces in the US shows that this is not being handled adequately. For example, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ting-where-is-darren-wilson-now-10450347.html.

At least in this case, the police officer resigned - although a grand jury chose not to indict him.



Insofar as Indigenous people have 'integrated' in Canadian society, it was often forced.

For example, the practice of scrip entailed awarding Indigenous people with land or money, in exchange for their relinquishing their status.

And when Indigenous women married white men, they relinquished their status and were therefore isolated from their communities. IIRC, a bill passed in the 1980s (Bill C33) resulted in both Indigenous men and women losing their status. And when status is lost, government resources are lost as well.



I'm reminded of issues pertinent to whale and seal hunting. Indigenous people and Inuit have defended their right to engage in these traditional practices - though I don't recall the end result of that.

And residential schools. Some of the elders at the school I taught at would talking about their experiences there (awful) but this one though male elder tears upband can't even talk about it. A lot of grandparents, parents etc don't trust schools and have a very negative view of school in general.

The reerve I taught on is different from most (there are 5 reserves in Cape Breton) as it is located in the middle of the city and they spent their govt money well as they have a 2 rink arena, ymca, convention center, hotel and casino which are used by everybody so there should be less racism but there isn't.

Oh just FYI this is the reserve that Donald Marshall Jr (he was wrongly convicted of murder and spent 11 years in jail ) from so that is one reason why they don't trust the police

 

[Twilight1]

So first thing, @Tinami Amori, cool you read up on some articles but not quite the same as sitting with elders listening to their stories and experiences. They didn't/ don't really document their history btw. Only recently...

There are many branches for Indigenous in Canada. Just locally, we have various cultural types. They are not all the same. For example, Sioux are not the same as Cree which is not the same as Algonquin, not the same as Ojibway, Saulteaux, Menominee, Mi'kmaq etc etc etc. And I probably butchered the cultures. That also doesn't even include Metis and Inuit which have their own cultures and languages and cultural practices. There are I believe 600 bands in Canada alone.

We have "white wash" history for indigenous so I would encourage you to read from Indigenous informed sites like these...

http://www.sicc.sk.ca/

https://indigenoustourism.ca/en/regions/ontario/

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/intro2.html

Also any peer reviewed articles on self determination and indigenous peoples will also give a great perspective.

I hate the title of this book but it is very enlightening.

https://muse.jhu.edu/book/35470

 

[DreamSkates]

Then either separate your cultural group from the confrontational one, or learn to confront and win......"

Your culture is to confront. Another culture (several could be listed) does not confront. Don't expect someone of another culture to change to your way of thinking. It doesn't work that way, and I am not going into an expanded explanation here. Perhaps you could learn more about the many cultures around the world that are different from your own, and not expect others to change to your perspective.

 

[Mozart]

So first thing, @Tinami Amori, cool you read up on some articles but not quite the same as sitting with elders listening to their stories and experiences. They didn't/ don't really document their history btw. Only recently...

There are many branches for Indigenous in Canada. Just locally, we have various cultural types. They are not all the same. For example, Sioux are not the same as Cree which is not the same as Algonquin, not the same as Ojibway, Saulteaux, Menominee, Mi'kmaq etc etc etc. And I probably butchered the cultures. That also doesn't even include Metis and Inuit which have their own cultures and languages and cultural practices. There are I believe 600 bands in Canada alone.

We have "white wash" history for indigenous so I would encourage you to read from Indigenous informed sites like these...

http://www.sicc.sk.ca/

https://indigenoustourism.ca/en/regions/ontario/

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/intro2.html

Also any peer reviewed articles on self determination and indigenous peoples will also give a great perspective.

I hate the title of this article but it is very enlightening.

https://muse.jhu.edu/book/35470

If you have the chance, I highly recommend going to pow wows, sweatlodges and smudging and if you are very lucky liaten to elders telling you about their peoples.