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I'm going to be glued to my sofa tonight for the skating. Is NBC going to cut in and out with snippets of another sport? I hope not, because the other sports have little interest for me. Although it could be good for a bathroom or snack break. Go Nathan!
 
I'm going to be glued to my sofa tonight for the skating. Is NBC going to cut in and out with snippets of another sport? I hope not, because the other sports have little interest for me. Although it could be good for a bathroom or snack break. Go Nathan!

I think NBC over-the-air is scheduled to be Skating and Skiing tonight.
But if you stream, you can watch just skating.
 
Olympic rookies Chen, Rippon ready for team event

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/08/266103376

But there's no controlling Rafael Arutunian when he has an eager audience in the mixed zone. On Wednesday, the exuberant Armenian-born coach confirmed what many long assumed: His students would split the assignments, with Nathan Chen doing the short program and Adam Rippon the free skate.

"I asked them (their) choice (of programs), and then I gave them my choice," Arutunian said. "I gave them ideas, and they both agreed with me."

After word got out, Arutunian's skaters confirmed their preferences.
 
Too much OTT freakin' buildup. Way too much. And Tara could not shut up her mouth. Allow the skaters to skate, and stop with the hype and continued pressure buildup on Nathan's shoulders, as if he's the savior of TeamUSA. It's too much. Shake off the nerves Nathan and do what you do best going forward. Somebody needs to tell the f'ing NBC media to lower way down their noise. All that blather and outside the rink nonsense has nothing to do with the skaters trying to do their job. Stop all the pre-celebration and know what giving support is -- let the story unfold without getting so far ahead of yourselves media monsters! And stop with having a cameraman following around this 18-year-old athlete as he searches for the bathroom!!!

Nobody can withstand that kind of buildup, not even Nathan.

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Also the quick turnaround time after arrival, and then suddenly skating in the team event before the opening ceremonies even happened was a bit much. Skaters don't normally skate in team events either. Again, I wonder if NBC had anything to do with the scheduling, thinking they were going to start out with big gun quadster Nathan for the U.S. on the first day. Way too much pressure on Nathan's shoulders for his first Olympic games. Also, with Nathan pulling back from doing the quad lutz, he could have some physical issues that he's keeping on the down low.

Shoma was overscored for his performance (9.25 on PE!), as was Chan.
 
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Phil Hersh's article focuses on Nathan's Team SP performance: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/09/266183266

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I was able to watch some of the NBC Olympics live stream of Rippon and Zhou in the practice rink during the team event.
Adam landed all his jumps in his FS run through: 2A, 3F+3Lo, 2A / 3A+2T+2Lo, 3A, 3F+3T, 3S, back bend entry to regular 3Lz.
I saw Vincent land a 4S before his FS run through. Jumps I saw in his run through: 4Lz+3T(both arms overhead), 4F, 2S... 3A+2T, 3A off-balance/foot down behind, 3Lz-half loop-3F.
Nathan got on briefly after his team SP performance but I assume it was just to cool down.

(Friendly request for those without Kiss & Cry access... there are threads in the Trash Can to discuss the team event and/or skaters other than the U.S. men.)
 
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Phil Hersh's article focuses on Nathan's Team SP performance: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/09/266183266

Good grief Phil Hersh! You the one who seems 'unsettled.' Why let stand the blaming of two young athletes for yet another young rival's small turn-out on a jump? All three young guys btw were thrown into their first Olympic games by starting out on Day 1 in a team competition at an ungodly hour, and neither situation are they normally used to skating under. Even in the best of fall opening season situations, skaters have nerves and make mistakes. Gain some perspective yourself. Skaters aren't always able to perform on a dime. It's a very different sport than skiing, snowboarding, luge, speedskating, et al, because it combines additional pressures of performance with technical precision and athleticism, not to mention debilitating body pounding on hard sheets of ice in boots that haven't kept up with the sport's demanding physical advances. So many factors are involved, including as Charlie White noted: an absence of energy in the rink with few people in the seats at that ungodly hour -- just so NBC can present it in primetime back in the states. :rolleyes: Not to mention the off-putting deep purple color backdrop plastered around the rinksides with a blue band on top! Who knows what the ice conditions are like? Did you ask any of the skaters? Why do I need to tell you these things, Phil? Where's Jackie Wong when we need him? ;)

You should have challenged Numero Uno for blaming the other two guys for his turn-out on the quad flip. Meanwhile, Uno is sitting like the cat with the cream in first place in team comp with over 100 points for a flawed skate due to his usual overdone PCS marks -- he's just so precociously mesmerizing, and granted he didn't pop or actually fall. But he hasn't been perfect either all season (except for his first outing of the season). So therefore, Uno's showing in Pyeongchang is not very atypical. He wasn't perfect at 4CCs either, which allowed Jin Boyang to edge him for the win. Who is Uno blaming for his 4CCs performance? :drama: Try to get a grasp and think a bit beyond the surface. Yeah I know it isn't that easy when you're on deadline. But try.

Do you think Shoma Uno would say he was 'unsettled' by Kolyada and Nathan if those two had skated lights out! :lol: The last part of your article was more on point and interesting. At least you did mention the ungodly hour! But still, I don't think you need to paint it as Nathan searching for answers. Just add everything up, and I think we can make common sense conclusions of our own. Athletes definitely are not going to tell us everything that's going on with them, nor should they. And please tell NBC to stop with having the cameraman follow Nathan to the bathroom! :duh:

ETA:
I want to correct the fact that I initially referenced Shoma Uno as a teenager. He began the season as a teenager, but he turned 20 in December, so despite his childlike stature and looks, Shoma is a year-and-a-half older than Nathan and nearly three years younger than Kolyada (who thus is also no longer a teenager).
 
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Nathan if off competition ice for one week before the individual event. I hope he can use that time to get out of his head, relax, acclimate and go for it! He has the tech, the solid relationship w/ his coach and is purportedly healthy.
 
And boy, this is a bit much too:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/sports/olympics/nathan-chen-figure-skating.html
"Chen, whose jumping ability and Olympic medal prospects figured in NBC’s push to hold figure skating in the mornings local time so it could be viewed in prime time in the United States, said he was 'a little too excited' and 'got ahead of himself.'”
No you didn't NBC! :eek: Godalmighty, no! Please don't tell Nathan that. :drama: Oops, too late I guess. :duh: It's like Nathan is horseflesh and all these corporate honchos and network farts and over-the-hill sports journalists who mostly know big ball sports, put all their bets on this Kentucky Derby prospect/ Triple Crown contender. Influential people within the sport assured all concerned that betting on Nathan was a sure thing? Statistically and reputation-wise, it certainly seemed to be so. But such shortsighted bettors don't understand the sport and they don't follow it except for some 3 weeks every four years, and even then superficially.

And then there's this poignant and self-reflective show of support by Patrick Chan, the skater who helped usher in the quad revolution circa late 2010 (post Plushy's dire Vancouver Olympics ire re the importance of 'macho quads,' which the ISU overheeded, and are now trying to backtrack away from with the advent of Nathan 'Quad King' Chen's recent record-setting quad feats):
"Canada’s Chan, a three-time Olympian... expressed sympathy for Chen, saying it was normal to not have a great [performance]. 'It’s part of the experience, part of the Olympics,' he said."

Exactly Patrick. Not only is experiencing failure part of the Olympics, it's part of everyone's journey in skating; it's ubiquitous to skating on thin ice. It's part of life. But we don't really get that from the superficiality of the skating coverage and the promotional ads, and the OTT, in-your-face hyping of a 'sure thing.' The aftermath reporting takes are fairly useless as well, unless they offer straightforward insights, meaningful quotes, and at some point, enlightening commentary.

Please turn down the temperature NBC, and stop banking everything on the shoulders of one extremely talented and very special athlete, who's senior career is just beginning and could reach more extraordinary heights that go beyond quads, if the quads and the over-hype don't burn Nathan out first and completely distract him from the essential reasons why he chose skating over gymnastics and ballet.

"I'm a keep running, 'cause a winner don't quit on themselves." -- Beyonce (Freedom lyrics)
 
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This is :cool: - Nathan is one of the 4 Winter Olympic athletes featured in a special fold-out section in today's NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/insider/winter-olympics-spins-jumps.html
But with the return of the “pano-8,” a 48-inch-wide, twice-folded pullout section in today’s paper, print readers will get an especially focused preview of the competition. The angle is, well, angles: “Their Turns” is a series of 58 annotated illustrations featuring four athletes and the spinning, flipping, thrusting, shifting and corking they will attempt in pursuit of gold.
...
Inside the first fold is a short introduction to each showcased athlete. From there, open the “saloon doors” of the second fold, find a lengthy table and explore. (The pano-8 is not for subway reading.)
 
Is it possible that Team Raf didn’t alter Nathan’s training schedule several weeks in advance to mimic the event schedule as closely as possible? That’s kind of what it sounds like to me based on Nathan’s comments in this article (ie that he doesn’t usually warm up at 6:00 am). If true, I wonder why? The early morning start time was common knowledge; that kind of advance planning seems like a no brainer; and it seems to me it might have made a huge difference in his comfort level during the SP yesterday.

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/08/266183266/
 
I still find it odd that the 4Lz has been removed Chen's programs because that has been a much better jump in competition then the 4F. He almost always has a tight landing on the 4F, whereas the 4Lz+3T has been really good. I don't understand the strategy of changing these jumps all the time - a little like Joubert used to do, and it didn't help him either.
 
Vincent told off a 4-year sports journalist who said that figure skating isn't a sport. :lol::cheer2:

https://twitter.com/govincentzhou/status/963345726318182401

Vincent is a pretty feisty young guy, isn't he? Love it!

BTW, the most ridiculous aspect was this all started because somebody thought skating wasn't a real sport because music and costumes were part of the judging criteria and one could lose or gain points because of it. Courtney Hicks responded trying to educate the poster and the guy had the audacity to tell her to read the rules:

https://twitter.com/StatsInTheWild/status/962941092349046784
 
My SO uses the costume argument. I guess he thinks if you wear a costume, it is no longer about the athletics. Meh. It's okay if people don't think skating is a sport. What is so magical about 'sport'?
 
My SO uses the costume argument. I guess he thinks if you wear a costume, it is no longer about the athletics. Meh. It's okay if people don't think skating is a sport. What is so magical about 'sport'?

What makes a uniform not a costume? Especially when teams are changing their uniforms all the time for special things?

Our local hockey team wears a new jersey ever freaking week for a special event. My university released a special glow in the dark uniform for a night football game. Just because the whole team wears them, what makes it not a costume?
 
Icenetwork article with comments from all three US men sounding confident:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/13/266355966

This is a nice article with some new info about Vincent that I haven't heard before. I didn't realize he had 2 older sisters and his dad almost died of a collapsed lung.
"About 11 years ago, his mom, Fay Ge, left her job at Oracle to move with Vincent to Southern California to train under Tammy Gambill, while his father and two older sisters remained in the Bay Area.

"I haven't let my age be a distraction or a barrier to any possibilities," Zhou said. "I feel like because how much I've been through -- being in a split-family situation since the time I was 8; living in apartments with no hot water or air conditioning; nearly losing my father in 2012 (to a collapsed lung); living with my mom on our own for so long -- that's given me a realistic perspective on the world.""

Also, out of curiosity, what happened to Adam's father? Is he still alive? We just keep hearing about how Adam's mom is a single mom to 6 kids. The Good Housekeeping article mentioned his dad's name but I've heard nothing else-- has his dad ever supported his skating or shown up to do anything? When I was at an adult skating camp in NJ, Adam's mom conducted one of the seminars about positive thinking, setting goals, etc. She was really nice to all of us and even followed up with an email in case anyone wanted to discuss things further with her after the camp.
 
Icenetwork article with comments from all three US men sounding confident:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/13/266355966
These food-themed IN headlines make me cringe a bit but the article itself is very nice.

My fave quote from Vincent:
"I pretty much only do triple axels and quads," Zhou said. "I do a triple lutz for warmup, that's about it.
I'm like :eek: :D :cool: and also: :yikes: :respec:

Which reminds me: somebody in another thread posted this interesting NYT article about Adam (like many skaters) having issues with body image & inadequate food intake. Also features quotes from Boitano & Abbott, among others.
“I looked around and saw my competitors, they’re all doing these quads, and at the same time they’re a head shorter than me, they’re 10 years younger than me and they’re the size of one of my legs,” Rippon said.
“I think I had a stress fracture before I broke my foot,” Rippon said, “and I think that was absolutely because I was not getting enough nutrients.”

He started working with Susie Parker-Simmons, a sports dietitian with the United States Olympic Committee, and as he grew more mindful about eating, Rippon said, a fog of fatigue over him lifted.

“I didn’t realize I was so tired all the time,” he said.
 
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Also, out of curiosity, what happened to Adam's father? Is he still alive? We just keep hearing about how Adam's mom is a single mom to 6 kids. The Good Housekeeping article mentioned his dad's name but I've heard nothing else-- has his dad ever supported his skating or shown up to do anything? When I was at an adult skating camp in NJ, Adam's mom conducted one of the seminars about positive thinking, setting goals, etc. She was really nice to all of us and even followed up with an email in case anyone wanted to discuss things further with her after the camp.
His father is still alive and kicking. Apparently he has his own company and lives in Adam's home town. As for why his Mom is a single mother, I think I heard they got divorced when Adam was young? I have no idea why he isn't as vocal in support of Adam. I half wonder if it's just the media pushing the Mom narrative and ignoring a supportive father. Certainly Vincent's Dad is supportive, but he's hardly mentioned.
 
His father is still alive and kicking. Apparently he has his own company and lives in Adam's home town. As for why his Mom is a single mother, I think I heard they got divorced when Adam was young? I have no idea why he isn't as vocal in support of Adam. I half wonder if it's just the media pushing the Mom narrative and ignoring a supportive father. Certainly Vincent's Dad is supportive, but he's hardly mentioned.
Ahh... the power of google. Here's more info about Adam and his family, plus an adorable photo of him as a baby in a swing.
https://heavy.com/sports/2018/02/adam-rippon-family-parents-mother-boyfriend-father-photos/
 
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