This Is the Insane Amount of Money It Takes to Become an Olympic Figure Skater

Personally I find stories of extreme financial sacrifice to be off putting. I think it precludes a lot of parents from getting their kids involved in the very beginning stages of "learn to skate" programs because they don't want their children to fall in love with the sport. It would be kind of nice to hear about what top skaters spend on their way up.
Dinh Tran, who finished second in junior men at US Nationals, lives in a studio apartment with his mother and siblings. He has a benefactor who has helped fund his skating.

The example of the Hendrickx siblings, who have both made it to the Olympics while training on a shoestring budget, has already come up.

I'm just not happy with the idea of "ice girls"...maybe when there are scantily clad "ice boys" scooping the ice at the women's hockey games, I'll be ok with fair play. But a different conversation for a different day.

The Colorado Avalanche should be paying her to teach edges and turns to their players. They could have paid her training costs in a couple of clinics.
Who says she wanted to train the hockey players? While Barbara Underhill and Vanessa Crone (among others) have done well in that respect, it's not everyone's preferred option. Maybe Nagasu liked being an ice girl - and the outfits are less revealing than a lot of the costumes skaters wear.
 
People, she specifically stated that they fly to Edmonton for “an afternoon of coaching.” (As in more than once) You can try to spin it anyway you want, but it certainly doesn’t sound like they did it once to try out a coach, and while they may have also gone for longer periods, this was an afternoon of coaching for an eleven year old for pitty sake! They may have the money to do, they may enjoy airports and customs, who knows. But from a strictly guiding you child through an already crazy sport this is probably not the best plan longterm for the child. I hope I am wrong.

I wonder why they go to Walia for coaching. There are more than enough good technical coaches in the US.
 
Not sure if this is best place to put this, but I feel all kinds of sad hearing that our 2008 National Champion was working as an NHL "ice girl" to pay her skating bills.
https://sports.yahoo.com/skating-star-mirai-nagasu-used-work-nhl-025057924.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/skating-star-mirai-nagasu-used-work-nhl-025057924.html

Although, she looks like she was having fun. :)

The way she phrased the tweet makes it sound like it was a special appearance, not that she was a regular ice girl.
 
I'm just not happy with the idea of "ice girls"...maybe when there are scantily clad "ice boys" scooping the ice at the women's hockey games, I'll be ok with fair play. But a different conversation for a different day.

Scantily clad 'ice guys'. Now you're talking!

That reminds me of an all male synchro group a while back called The Ice Guys.
 
It has certainly become a sport for the uber rich. Skaters from blue collar backgrounds the likes of Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan would never happen now.

I don’t know about that. There certainly are skaters that don’t come from super rich parents. Hubbell & Donohue and Rippon come to mind. Also isn’t Wagner’s dad a military guy? Isn’t that a fairly middle class upbringing?

I do think the US in general seems to have quite a few skaters from wealthy families (Cohen, the Shibs, Davis & White come to mind) but I suspect they are the exception not the rule.
 
Who says she wanted to train the hockey players? While Barbara Underhill and Vanessa Crone (among others) have done well in that respect, it's not everyone's preferred option. Maybe Nagasu liked being an ice girl - and the outfits are less revealing than a lot of the costumes skaters wear.

I did say in my original post that it looked like she was having fun. This is all speculation. But I'd at least hope that if the NHL and Avalanche are parading her photo all over now for clicks, they at some point respected her enough to present the idea of helping out in ways more than clearing the ice and being a "community ambassador." From what I'm reading, "ice girl" pay is pretty low.
 
I think money is key early on. I think that any coach in any rink just about anywhere can get a kid through single jumps up through double lutz. Those are all fairly easy jumps to "muscle through" without too much technique.
I would go further than that. It's hard to teach doubles, and you do need good technique to land them. But if a skater is talented, almost any coach can get them to a double axel.

Part of the problem that I see in skating is that if a skater is talented, people think that they'll be a great coach. Not true. Many talented skaters don't know how to break down jumps or how to correct a flawed jump - they just do them and can adjust themselves when being coaching. Very different skills. I'm curious to see how Gracie will do as a coach as jumping came very easily to her as a youngster.
 
I would go further than that. It's hard to teach doubles, and you do need good technique to land them. But if a skater is talented, almost any coach can get them to a double axel.

Part of the problem that I see in skating is that if a skater is talented, people think that they'll be a great coach. Not true. Many talented skaters don't know how to break down jumps or how to correct a flawed jump - they just do them and can adjust themselves when being coaching. Very different skills. I'm curious to see how Gracie will do as a coach as jumping came very easily to her as a youngster.

That's true, I didn't mean to imply that anyone could land a double. It's just that it's more usual to see some super athletic kids do some wonky doubles with middling technique (except double axel), but there's a steeper curve from double lutz to double axel and then to triples, at least from what I've seen. We're not at a very high-level training rink. Almost all the kids who have double axels (maybe all) landed them only after driving the two hours to a rink in Delaware or DC to get jump training. (We did have a high-level jump coach at our rink for a while, and a few kids got solid double axels with him, but he moved. Sob!) We've had some kids go gangbusters through all the doubles, but neither their skill and/or the coaching translated to triples and/or they had to learn different/better technique when it came to triples.

I completely agree with good skater might not equal good coach. Teaching is a real skill, and good coaches build a toolbox and arsenal of teaching techniques. I think it's hard sometimes for very accomplished skaters to now have to take a step back and ask for help as a beginner in something once again. I help teach Learn to Skate at our rink. I leave most sessions in a hard sweat, lol. Kids are tough.
 
@Jozet your post above is probably the main reason Mirai was working as an ice girl rather than teaching seminars to the players. There is nothing in her background that would lead me to believe that she would have the skills necessary to develop, plan, and implement a training program for adult men. Especially adult men who may feel like being taught by a young figure skater is beneath them. Even if they were all keen, coaching is a skill that generally needs to be learned and practiced, planing and developing programs, well that is totally unrelated to figure skating skills (something I wish many Skating Directors would realize!)
 
@Jozet your post above is probably the main reason Mirai was working as an ice girl rather than teaching seminars to the players. There is nothing in her background that would lead me to believe that she would have the skills necessary to develop, plan, and implement a training program for adult men. Especially adult men who may feel like being taught by a young figure skater is beneath them. Even if they were all keen, coaching is a skill that generally needs to be learned and practiced, planing and developing programs, well that is totally unrelated to figure skating skills (something I wish many Skating Directors would realize!)

Sure. But I'd just like to know it crossed the mind of someone, somewhere at the same time they were interviewing the 2008 National Figure Skating Champion for a job on the ice with a shovel to scrape up hockey dude sweat. :) In another article, it noted that the job included community appearances at Learn to Skate events, so that's nice.

If she really did want to do something like coach hockey plaers, it could be done with mentorship from both more experienced coaches (everyone has to learn somewhere) or alongside hockey coaches.

Also, adult men need to get over themselves. Especially the ones skating without toe picks. ;)
 
Sure. But I'd just like to know it crossed the mind of someone, somewhere at the same time they were interviewing the 2008 National Figure Skating Champion for a job on the ice with a shovel to scrape up hockey dude sweat. :) In another article, it noted that the job included community appearances at Learn to Skate events, so that's nice.
Is regular work beneath the dignity of a former national champion? Is she somehow worthier than other women who apply for this kind of gig? The current lineup of Avalanche Ice Girls includes an engineer, a psychologist, graduate students and STEM majors. They don't seem to think it's demeaning.
 
Sure. But I'd just like to know it crossed the mind of someone, somewhere at the same time they were interviewing the 2008 National Figure Skating Champion for a job on the ice with a shovel to scrape up hockey dude sweat. :) In another article, it noted that the job included community appearances at Learn to Skate events, so that's nice.

If she really did want to do something like coach hockey plaers, it could be done with mentorship from both more experienced coaches (everyone has to learn somewhere) or alongside hockey coaches.

Also, adult men need to get over themselves. Especially the ones skating without toe picks. ;)

NHL Teams all have Power Skating Coaches, many of whom are figure skaters. Mirai would need to be properly trained in power skating techniques, and have extensive experience coaching it, before she would be considered for a position working with an NHL Team. In Canada, Skate Canada requires Figure Skating Coaches to pass a Power Skating course before they teach it, but the process is probably less formal in the US.
 
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Is regular work beneath the dignity of a former national champion? Is she somehow worthier than other women who apply for this kind of gig? The current lineup of Avalanche Ice Girls includes an engineer, a psychologist, graduate students and STEM majors. They don't seem to think it's demeaning.

Like I said, when there are ice boys at women's hockey games and people don't complain - along with ugly epithets - the few times a year a figure skating competition preempts a men's hockey game, I'll sleep better at night.
 
Pretty sure I haven't spent $10k in my entire life for every bit of my clothing/footwear/accessories/jewellery AND my wedding dress. :shuffle:

Considering my entire yearly budget is $15K (rent, food, utilities, etc) I could never justify that amount of money on a piece of clothing I would only wear once.
 
Is regular work beneath the dignity of a former national champion? Is she somehow worthier than other women who apply for this kind of gig? The current lineup of Avalanche Ice Girls includes an engineer, a psychologist, graduate students and STEM majors. They don't seem to think it's demeaning.

These girls are hot. I think it's good for Mirai's brand to be an Avalanche girl. This looks like the equivalent of a cheerleader.

Also edited to add that some of those girls appear to have been high level figure skaters as well.
 
NHL Teams all have Power Skating Coaches, many of whom are figure skaters. Mirai would need to be properly trained in power skating techniques, and have extensive experience coaching it, before she would be considered for a position working with an NHL Team. In Canada, Skate Canada requires Figure Skating Coaches to pass a Power Skating course before they teach it, but the process is probably less formal in the US.

Power skating means a lot of different things to different trainers. We've been to a few power skating classes taught by NHL and AHL training, and almost none of them touch on edges, turns. When Sidney Crosby does a mohawk or spread eagle, commentators still go nuts over his skating skills, so from my limited experience so far in hockey, I do wonder to what extent the fine points are focused on, other than "get their fast, stop, go the other direction." Well, at least in the US. I was at an event with AHL players, and I cornered a few and asked them when they started skating; all said between 3 and 4 yo, and one or two had brief stints with figure skating. We just don't have that culture in the US with hockey.

And yes, I get it, the NHL has its own coaches, and there are private coaches players still go to on top of that to improve skating skills -- I was speaking more to the disconnect on a more philosophical level of a highly-trained female skater shoveling ice for guys. Whatever Mirai wants to do is her choice; I adore her and there's nothing wrong with having some fun. If my own daughter wanted to do something like that, I wouldn't persuade her against it. But looking at this a few steps back from a wider angle...it's kooky.
 
Well, at least in the US. I was at an event with AHL players, and I cornered a few and asked them when they started skating; all said between 3 and 4 yo, and one or two had brief stints with figure skating. We just don't have that culture in the US with hockey.

Just going to add regarding culture of hockey and figure skating is that I've personally witnessed a dad bristle at a skate instructor's suggestion that he put his 4 year old boy in figure skates because the kid was struggling without the toepick. He refused to put the kid in figure skates.
 
From recent experience, I can confidently say that $25,000-$30,000 a year (for several years) is a shoestring budget for a skater with aspirations of skating internationally and it would be easy to spend $50,000 a year.

The biggest cost is coaching fees. New coaches may charge less than $50 per hour, but most are $75-$100 and coaches with substantial credentials are often well in excess of $100 per hour. My experience has been that when a skater with real dedication (not just a crazy mom or dad) is willing to commit long term, coaches will work with them and even offer significant discounts. I have been able to get $250 a week (an hour a day at $50/hr) for a 'name' coach with an annual committment, but that is still $13,000 a year.

Ice time varies greatly in various parts of the US, but most clubs/rinks offer some type of unlimited weekly or monthly pass. Some also include a few group classes and some off-ice group workouts, although I have rarely seen them below $100 a week, so that is another $5,200 a year.

Each skate manufacturer has various programs to help, although below senior they tend to be discounts rather than free, usually on the highest/newest skates and blades. Realistically, a $750 pair of boots (Ice flys was a good example, I have not seen them new less than $750) and at ;east $500 for quality blades plus $50-$100 for professional mounting, will still approach $1,000 a pair. If skating several hours a day, a skater needs one primary pair and one being broken in, for an average of two to three a year, so on the low end $2,000 per year.

Costumes are crucial, but do not have to be expensive. Most clubs have hand me downs and shared costumes that only require alterations. Some skaters may be put off by second hand costumes, but one of my skaters was cured when they looked inside to see the names of the previous wearers (kind of a tradition, I understand) and asked when that person had worn it. The response was 'oh, the free skate at Sochi'. Suddenly, a hand me down from the Olympics didn't seem so bad. Still, figure one reasonable costume at $500 (with stones), maybe $200 for alterations on a hand me down and thrown in, tights, a few workout outfits and jackets, another $1,000 a year.

Now it is time to go to an event. A short and a free (IJS) for most any competition, is $175-$200, add in hospitality fees, practice ice (often required, and extra often $20-$30 for a 20 minute session) and expect a minimum of $300 per competition. Nationals is free, but Sectionals, Regionals and at least one a month from June thru August for 6-8 events means $2,000 or more for entry fees.

If you are lucky, half of the competitions are driveable in a day, but those that are not will require flights, hotels and food. If the flights are $200 a leg (cheapo airlines) for the skater and a chaperone, that is $800 per event, three events traveled to so $2,400 in tickets. Hotels will be at least $125 per night and rental cars at least $50 (unless you have a federation who thinks to send you to one of the most expensive cities in the country over a major holiday and then doesn't provide its usual buses, I'm looking at you USFSA), for those three trips (average 3 days each) will be another $1,500+. Add in food for the skater and chaperone (if you are lucky or plan well, the hotel provides breakfast, $10 a head for lunch and $20 for dinner) for a cheap $60 a day, and it is another $1,000+ (including all events, gotta eat). If you are lucky, the coach is taking several skaters, so the coach's expenses are split, but still a minimum of $300 per event (including Nationals, hopefully), so let's call it another $2,000. That is barely $7,000 for events. I have spent that much just taking three skaters to Skate Detroit.

I am already at $30,000 with discount ice, bargaining with coaches, discount airlines and hotels. We haven't paid for a choreographer, haven't paid to have music cut, no special lesson (jump coach, footwork specialist, etc.) haven't done anything outside of skating yet, such as ballet or other dance classes, gym memberships, etc.
 
Part of the problem that I see in skating is that if a skater is talented, people think that they'll be a great coach. Not true. Many talented skaters don't know how to break down jumps or how to correct a flawed jump - they just do them and can adjust themselves when being coaching.

I will second that and add to it. I have often argued that great athletes (in any sport) make the worst coaches. My theory is that it comes to easy to them (although I am not saying it is easy, just easier for them), which makes it harded for them to empathize and explain to others. I think the 'grinder' who has to work and fight and struggle to get to and stay in, just barely, the top echelon, makes the best coach because they have been forced to figure it out and train it themselves. I look at baseball, for example, and see very few stars as coaches, but lots of backup catchers and other guys who had to fight and learn and struggle to stay up.
 
If she really did want to do something like coach hockey plaers, it could be done with mentorship from both more experienced coaches (everyone has to learn somewhere) or alongside hockey coaches.
There is absolutely no evidence that she wants to do this. It seems to be your idea.
 
If one can't afford it, one should not take up figure skating as a hobby. Figure Skating is not a basic life necessity. I wonder what kind of "financial issues" become a conversation on Regatta Racing forums..... oh, it's so expensive! i can't afford a new 120K USD boat... :D and yet "Regatta Race" is just as much of a dream for some people... :lol: Adjust your dreams perhaps?
 
One of the complaints I used to hear from coaches is the lack of practice ice skaters use, that the parents always want their kids to be in a lesson when it isn't necessary. In addition the lack of off ice training resulting in skaters only skating when they are being coached. My daughters old coach who has a competitive skating daughter tells me for every 15 minute coaching lesson a skater should be doing 45 minutes on their own and an hour off ice. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the Russian system can give some input but I believe there is a lot of 'group' coaching and off ice work - like many places in Europe where ice availability is limited. I think a different mentality in the USA. I would love to know the daily schedules of skaters in different countries for comparison.
 
Just going to add regarding culture of hockey and figure skating is that I've personally witnessed a dad bristle at a skate instructor's suggestion that he put his 4 year old boy in figure skates because the kid was struggling without the toepick. He refused to put the kid in figure skates.

I know... my son does both sports. Especially at Learn To Skate, some parents want their kids in hockey skaters right away, and for most kids, it just makes things tougher. I found that calling them "regular skates" -- as in "hockey skates or regular skates" can make a difference. That said, most of Learn To Skate can be done in hockey skaters. I also bring my son over to show the parents that going back and forth between hockey and figure skates doesn't mean their kids will start wearing eye-liner and feathers, if that's what they are afraid of. ;)
 
There is absolutely no evidence that she wants to do this. It seems to be your idea.

I didn't say there was. I was noting the possible lost opportunity and/or lack of imagination I see, in general, and this was a metaphorical example of that. Perhaps my tongue wasn't firm enough in my cheek.
 

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