From Russia with love [#28]: Autumn to Winter 2017

“OAR team for the Team Event will be announced on February, 6” - Mozer
https://rsport.ria.ru/winter2018_figure/20180121/1131434661.html

In this interview Mozer says that her teams are going to Fukuoka on January,27 to prepare for the Olympics. On February,6 they are flying to Seul, Z/E will stay and train there for few more days while T/M and S/K will go to Pyeongchan for the team event.
All other Russian skaters are flying to Niigata on January, 27 as well
 
caseyedwards said:
Ioc just said this. Doesn’t it mean bobrova is banned?

None have been suspended for an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV) in the past. This means that a number of Russian athletes will not be on the list.
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she was acquitted because of wrong science and I don't even consider it a ban. Even if she was on the list she can file for CAS, the rule is called "OSAKA rule" where an athlete serving the ban cannot serve another ban of same event pretext.

unless the IOC makes changes to their official rules, then those with doping history but cant compete just because IOC says you cant will file to CAS. In Rio all the athletes with doping history (not banned by IOC) were able to compete , remember Efimova the swimmer and the likes ?

If we were to bring names with medal prospects then expect them to file

Ekaterina Bobrova, Semen Elistratov, Denis Yuskov, Pavel Kulishnikov all under ISU
 
love_skate2011 said:
she was acquitted because of wrong science and I don't even consider it a ban. Even if she was on the list she can file for CAS, the rule is called "OSAKA rule" where an athlete serving the ban cannot serve another ban of same event pretext.

unless the IOC makes changes to their official rules, then those with doping history but cant compete just because IOC says you cant will file to CAS. In Rio all the athletes with doping history (not banned by IOC) were able to compete , remember Efimova the swimmer and the likes ?

If we were to bring names with medal prospects then expect them to file

Ekaterina Bobrova, Semen Elistratov, Denis Yuskov, Pavel Kulishnikov all under ISU
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Denis Yuskov have a doping ban for Marujiana and Pavel for something else, IOC has thrown Osaka rule away by having OAR instead of Russia federation, it is an invite instead of Russian team.
 
Domshabfan said:
Denis Yuskov have a doping ban for Marujiana and Pavel for something else, IOC has thrown Osaka rule away by having OAR instead of Russia federation, it is an invite instead of Russian team.
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OSAKA rule is for individual athlete cases and its not Federation base, and all CAS are filed individually by athletes, It doesn't matter if your from Fiji, Russia or a made up new orphan team.
 
Coco said:
She didn't even need to 'serve time' since it was legal when she took it.
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Yeah, and by that same logic, she tested positive when it was banned. She was also informed when said drug would become illegal. And even knowing that it would be banned in the near future she chose to take the drug. This was not very smart or sportsmanlike IMHO. I have no sympathy for Ms Bobrova in this regard. But Russia is desperate to have their three spots back so it seems likely some deal or concession has already been made, to accommodate Ms Bobrova.
 
Bigbird said:
Yeah, and by that same logic, she tested positive when it was banned. She was also informed when said drug would become illegal. And even knowing that it would be banned in the near future she chose to take the drug.
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Only that she didn't. Do check your facts.
Bigbird said:
This was not very smart or sportsmanlike IMHO.
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It's not very smart of WADA and if it wasn't the Russians there would be a nice fat lawsuit against the `we'll ban them and then we'll figure the science can't prove'
Bigbird said:
I have no sympathy for Ms Bobrova in this regard.
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I do. A lot. Though boy, I hate their SD.
 
oleada said:
Is Samodurova injured? She certainly had a chance at making the JW team.
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There is no info that she is injured (as far as i could find in Russian sources). My guess is she/Mishin want to take a queue in Senior Ranks after Russian Nationals.
 
Hindernisse said:
I think it is too risky not to split pairs make T/M skate both progs just days before the start of the pairs event. I would split pairs and ladies.
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I would also split ladies and pairs, simply because both Zagitova and Medvedeva, and both S/K and T/M deserve Olympic medal. I would probably let Kolyada do both events, because one can argue that Stepanova/Bukin deserve the medal more than Aliev. Aliev had only one decent competition the whole season.
 
Tinami Amori said:
There is no info that she is injured (as far as i could find in Russian sources). My guess is she/Mishin want to take a queue in Senior Ranks after Russian Nationals.
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Well, she would have much better chance to be allowed to move to seniors if she had done well at the junior nationals, placed in top three, was sent to junior worlds and medalled there. Then no one could argue with those results. Waiting to be allowed to move to seniors is not a good strategy. There is about 8 decent ladies who are suddenly senior eligible, and I don't think the federation will allow them all to move up, simply because they wouldn’t have enough senior assignments for them. Keeping them at JGP and at the same time senior senior challengers events would gain them more ranking points. The girls are learning both junior and senior version of their programs within the same season anyway.
 
hanca said:
Well, she would have much better chance to be allowed to move to seniors if she had done well at the junior nationals, placed in top three, was sent to junior worlds and medalled there. Then no one could argue with those results. Waiting to be allowed to move to seniors is not a good strategy. There is about 8 decent ladies who are suddenly senior eligible, and I don't think the federation will allow them all to move up, simply because they wouldn’t have enough senior assignments for them. Keeping them at JGP and at the same time senior senior challengers events would gain them more ranking points. The girls are learning both junior and senior version of their programs within the same season anyway.
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Since i have no idea what is the real cause of non-attendance, any theory is good enough. But for the record, Samodurova is 15, and does not need approval to transfer to Seniors except from Mishin, i guess.

As of Jan 11th, the was practicing and not injured..
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd1xn6ghhzJ/?taken-by=mihail_sharov

For fun trivia: Aleona Savchenko sold her original season's SP Dress to little Russian Junior, Polina Maslennikova... :D
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeCjQ9OhYrU/?taken-by=mihail_sharov

(not to start 250th argument).Mikhail Sharov is crushed over Ladies Results and will not publish ANY of his Ladies Singles fotos, at least until summer 2018, when he can grasp.
He believes Maria should be 3rd (Kostner's comps too high given falls and mistakes), and Medvedeva should be 1st (with higher comp scores).
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeOOWvIhIBg/?taken-by=mihail_sharov

DobrinFan said:
Here's some pics of the skaters sporting their OAR clothing!
Stepanova https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48bc2/c_v5SNHTAO0.jpg
Sotskova https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48bcb/0zwzdPCyeQY.jpg
Tarasova https://pp.userapi.com/c841335/v841335870/5fdfd/VqzdS4GF0gE.jpg
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Oh, i did not know and would have never guessed that "bright red" or "white with red letters" means RUSSIA..... :drama:
http://zasport.zp.ua/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/prorochenko.jpeg
http://umoloda.kiev.ua/img/content/i107/107260.gif
http://mignews.com/aimages/02_17/250217_81250_74103_2.jpg

:rofl::rofl:

Long live Aeroflot..... https://im6.kommersant.ru/Issues.photo/OGONIOK/2014/037/KMO_143870_00007_1_t218_211656.jpg
 
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Hindernisse said:
I think it is too risky not to split pairs make T/M skate both progs just days before the start of the pairs event. I would split pairs and ladies.
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Absolutely. And frankly, they could toss a coin between Koylada and Aliev. Both have the talent. Both have a wee problem with consistency. Bob/Sol for dance.
 
Tinami Amori said:
Since i have no idea what is the real cause of non-attendance, any theory is good enough. But for the record, Samodurova is 15, and does not need approval to transfer to Seniors except from Mishin, i guess.

As of Jan 11th, the was practicing and not injured..


For fun trivia: Aleona Savchenko sold her original season's SP Dress to little Russian Junior, Polina Maslennikova... :D
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeCjQ9OhYrU/?taken-by=mihail_sharov

(not to start 250th argument).Mikhail Sharov is crushed over Ladies Results and will not publish ANY of his Ladies Singles fotos, at least until summer 2018, when he can grasp.
He believes Maria should be 3rd (Kostner's comps too high given falls and mistakes), and Medvedeva should be 1st (with higher comp scores).
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeOOWvIhIBg/?taken-by=mihail_sharov


Oh, i did not know and would have never guessed that "bright red" or "white with red letters" means RUSSIA..... :drama:
http://zasport.zp.ua/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/prorochenko.jpeg
http://umoloda.kiev.ua/img/content/i107/107260.gif
http://mignews.com/aimages/02_17/250217_81250_74103_2.jpg

:rofl::rofl:

Long live Aeroflot..... https://im6.kommersant.ru/Issues.photo/OGONIOK/2014/037/KMO_143870_00007_1_t218_211656.jpg
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You are right that she doesn’t need approval from federation in theory, but in reality it is the federation that submits entries to competitions. Why do you think Sakhanovich stayed the extra year in juniors even though she already had two silver medals from junior worlds and wanted to move up? Why do you think Konstantinova stayed in juniors when she wanted to move up? The answer is simple - they were told by the federation to stay in juniors and they figured out that if they don’t do as they are told, there would be consequences. It is not as if the federation desperately needed them, there were other ladies, so if they want to receive assignments, they have to do as they are told. The same for Samodurova- she DOES NOT HAVE TO do as she is told by the federation, BUT...
 
hanca said:
You are right that she doesn’t need approval from federation in theory, but in reality it is the federation that submits entries to competitions. Why do you think Sakhanovich stayed the extra year in juniors even though she already had two silver medals from junior worlds and wanted to move up? Why do you think Konstantinova stayed in juniors when she wanted to move up? The answer is simple - they were told by the federation to stay in juniors and they figured out that if they don’t do as they are told, there would be consequences. It is not as if the federation desperately needed them, there were other ladies, so if they want to receive assignments, they have to do as they are told. The same for Samodurova- she DOES NOT HAVE TO do as she is told by the federation, BUT...
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If they are age eligible, and qualify by rank/points, they just file or their club does. If 15+ they move to seniors or stay juniors based on their own plans and calculations. it's a decision between coach and skater.
 
Tinami Amori said:
If they are age eligible, and qualify by rank/points, they just file or their club does. If 15+ they move to seniors or stay juniors based on their own plans and calculations. it's a decision between coach and skater.
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I hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t work like that. Sakhanovich made it clear that she wanted to move but couldn’t. For senior GP, the federation submits names from which the other federation pick. If they don’t submit her name, she won’t get a GP event no matter whether her results would ‘guarantee’ her one. For challengers events it also goes through the federation because there is limit competitors per country, so the federation wants to make sure they spread it among available skaters. So all she could try to get is some small B competition, as long as there is no need for the federation to sign it off.
 
hanca said:
I hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t work like that. Sakhanovich made it clear that she wanted to move but couldn’t. For senior GP, the federation submits names from which the other federation pick. If they don’t submit her name, she won’t get a GP event no matter whether her results would ‘guarantee’ her one. For challengers events it also goes through the federation because there is limit competitors per country, so the federation wants to make sure they spread it among available skaters. So all she could try to get is some small B competition, as long as there is no need for the federation to sign it off.
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well, reports now say she broke her arm, so our discussion is hypothetical.
 
 
hanca said:
I hate to break it to you, but it doesn’t work like that. Sakhanovich made it clear that she wanted to move but couldn’t. For senior GP, the federation submits names from which the other federation pick. If they don’t submit her name, she won’t get a GP event no matter whether her results would ‘guarantee’ her one. For challengers events it also goes through the federation because there is limit competitors per country, so the federation wants to make sure they spread it among available skaters. So all she could try to get is some small B competition, as long as there is no need for the federation to sign it off.
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Oh no! That is very horrible to hear! I wish the process could be more fair to the skaters.

But maybe you are just making a joke? I have just started posting on this internet site and I have noticed there are many people here who are funny and have a good sense of humor, so I'm hoping that is the case here?
 
StasiyaGalustyanLove said:
Oh no! That is very horrible to hear! I wish the process could be more fair to the skaters.
But maybe you are just making a joke? I have just started posting on this internet site and I have noticed there are many people here who are funny and have a good sense of humor, so I'm hoping that is the case here?
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Don't be scared poor Baby Jane... would you like some ice-cream?
https://res.cloudinary.com/jerrick/...progressive,q_auto,w_680/qrkejxz0z8wkl2hip5qw
 
DobrinFan said:
Here's some pics of the skaters sporting their OAR clothing!
Stepanova https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48bc2/c_v5SNHTAO0.jpg
Sotskova https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48bcb/0zwzdPCyeQY.jpg
Tarasova https://pp.userapi.com/c841335/v841335870/5fdfd/VqzdS4GF0gE.jpg
Klimov https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48bad/e4LrM3cEqk0.jpg
Bukin https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48b99/g3Jr-glvCf4.jpg
Soloviev https://pp.userapi.com/c840722/v840722937/48ba3/XZ2d3Wv_nlc.jpg
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All media reports had the circle turned 180 degrees so that Russia was upside down on the bottom not right side up on top! Lol. I’m sure it’s supposed to the other way but maybe they got permission so that you mainly see Russia olympic. Lol!! Who turned them! Brilliant!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Olympic_Athlete_from_Russia_logo_2018.jpg
 
Basically the only thing that can qualify as a violation of the flag/symbols and could disqualify the team is this
The rest should be fine :lol:
 
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