The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

[ninalovesskating]

Nearly all those SDs are craptacular for latin. This is such a lame theme for Olys

Well you think P&C are cheap, I will say V&M are bordeline vulgar (like all latin ballroom for my taste).
They have equally good SS. Both programs leave a lot on the table IMO and are borderline too easy.

IMO the best SD so far goes to Penny&Nick. C&B have an interesting choreo but skated it crap.

V/M's SD is animalistic but they still manage to make it classy.

 

[ninalovesskating]

Oh dear. Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Well, what can I say? I can't stand bullshit and when I see it, I say it.

 

[MarieM]

V/M's SD is animalistic but they still manage to make it classy.

Scott has to fall back in the background more IMO. And that will be great when he does that. Like it does work better in the FD.

 

[allezfred]

Well, what can I say? I can't stand bullshit and when I see it, I say it.

It's going to be a long season for you if you're this upset right now....

 

[ninalovesskating]

Scott has to fall back in the background more IMO. And that will be great when he does that. Like it does work better in the FD.

I disagree. In order for a pair to be as cohesive as possible, they have to match each other. One can't be "falling back in the background" while the other one is giving it all... Both have to be and give 100%. Both Tessa and Scott are star quality in their own ways and I don't think they should change that.

 

[ninalovesskating]

It's going to be a long season for you if you're this upset right now....

Apparently, it really is gonna be a long season. I'm not that worried though... There are much better teams to look at...

 

[Miloune]

I CANNOT with P/C SD score here. PLAIN RIDICULOUS. How in the world did the program they performed get a score above 80? It's honestly one of the worst latin programs I've seen so far this season. Music is crap, her twizzles were sloppy, and it just felt cheap. It didn't feel like a program packaged by Marie France and Patrice. Edges were fine but V/M are wayyyyyyyy better at this pattern than them so it blows my mind that they got that score.

My my, I wonder what you'll say when you see their FD score !

 

[ninalovesskating]

My my, I wonder what you'll say when you see their FD score !

Already saw it. Even if it still is overscored, I'm not that upset with it because I can be objective and see that the FD is what they can do decently... But the issue here is their SD score which is just pure nonsense.

 

[MarieM]

Oh well please don't let this thread become the fight of the fans, pretty please

PurpleRain : think as you will, but this SD works better when Tessa is put in the front. Same for the FD. Now that FD is all about Tessa and getting more effective. Because Scott overplays it way too much. Tessa is always right, Scott not so much. But when he gets the "less is more", they are breathtaking.

 

[Marta24]

I can`t wait for the Olympics. It`s going to be so awesome! Two amazing teams fighting for the OGM and both have programs that suit them 100%. The fight for the OBM isn`t going to be any less exciting. Right now it looks like it will be a fight between the US teams. I`m curious if the Russian teams will be able to keep up or if we will see the first Olympic podium without a Russian team.

 

[MarieM]

I still think people are writing off StepBukin too easily.

 

[allezfred]

Apparently, it really is gonna be a long season. I'm not that worried though... There are much better teams to look at...

If you really think that then it's quite sad. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Marta24]

I still think people are writing off StepBukin too easily.

They scored pretty high in Russia, but I would wait for TdF to see how realistic these scores were. Even if they manage to replicate that FD performance in France, their Short Dance is not competitve with H/D, Shibs or W/P, IMO.

 

[MsZem]

I CANNOT with P/C SD score here. PLAIN RIDICULOUS. How in the world did the program they performed get a score above 80? It's honestly one of the worst latin programs I've seen so far this season. Music is crap, her twizzles were sloppy, and it just felt cheap. It didn't feel like a program packaged by Marie France and Patrice. Edges were fine but V/M are wayyyyyyyy better at this pattern than them so it blows my mind that they got that score.

I understand your disappointment and shock. Latin themes normally bring nothing but restrained elegance to the ice, so it's hard to see something that diverges from that.

 

[Miloune]

Already saw it. Even if it still is overscored, I'm not that upset with it because I can be objective and see that the FD is what they can do decently... But the issue here is their SD score which is just pure nonsense.

 

[MarieM]

Elegance? Latin dances? LOL. They are borderline vulgar most of the time in ballroom and ice dance.

Sometimes, if lucky, they are hot and sensual. I like it more that way anyway. Still, V&M are not hot and sensual yet (but will be by olys) and P&C are playing it more fun. IMO both teams are playing out their strenghts despite horrid music choices for both.

 

[ninalovesskating]

If you really think that then it's quite sad. I feel sorry for you.

No need to feel sorry for me. There are people out there who have worse views on P/C than I do.

 

[ninalovesskating]

I understand your disappointment and shock. Latin themes normally bring nothing but restrained elegance to the ice, so it's hard to see something that diverges from that.

V/M seem to do a good job at it and they get awarded the world record score they deserve... Then, this French team who can only do one style of ice dancing (definitely not latin) gets a score about a point behind V/M. COME ON.

 

[Anyasnake]

So we have pretty much seen all the teams, with the slight exception of C/L. We saw them but it was a minor competition and the filming wasn't really great. Next week at NHK, top contenders are V/M, H/D and C/L (tell me if I'm missing anything).
H/D needs 2nd to secure their GPF spot, because in Skate America, I don't think C/L will be other than 2nd (barring disaster). Otherwise, they might be out with two 3rd place.
B/S might have lost their spot, because H/D beat them on the tie-break.
I already can't wait for next week

 

[Miloune]

I understand your disappointment and shock. Latin themes normally bring nothing but restrained elegance to the ice, so it's hard to see something that diverges from that.

Omg I thought this comment was being ironic but apparently not....?!!

 

[millyskate]

Elegance? Latin dances? LOL. They are borderline vulgar most of the time in ballroom and ice dance.

Sometimes, if lucky, they are hot and sensual. I like it more that way anyway. Still, V&M are not hot and sensual yet (but will be by olys) and P&C are playing it more fun. IMO both teams are playing out their strenghts despite horrid music choices for both.

I think it's such a shame - I agree with you, I strongly dislike the vulgar direction ballroom latin has taken. There are some absolutely beautiful street-versions of all the latin dances on youtube, sophisticated and very poetic.
I'm sad none of the top ice dance teams have gone down the poetic route, and it makes us miss Torvill&Dean. Coomes and Buckland, with a repeat of the T&D dance, are the closest we're going to get.

I hate V&M's SD more than I dislike P&C's this season. I find it really quite dreadful, to be honest.

I do like both FDs without thinking either is a masterpice - I'm much more restrained than most about P&Cs FD because moonlight sonata is not a piece that has aged well, and the cuts have absolutely massacred it. Because it's so simple, to be effective it requires the perfect symmetry of the phrases with the right number of bars in each. It requires having the harmonic transitions at just the right time. Chopping and cutting/pasting by removing and adding bars here and there just makes the whole thing musically ineffective.

That said, their skating is breathtaking and I'm rooting for them to win OGM. The detail in the choreography, the hand and arm movements and the fluidity are mesmerising, and live they just skate so much bigger than any of the other teams.

 

[MarieM]

V/M seem to do a good job at it and they get awarded the world record score they deserve... Then, this French team who can only do one style of ice dancing (definitely not latin) gets a score about a point behind V/M. COME ON.

Oh my. You really are a super hyper fan. But please, don't put a team down because your favorite also are getting really good marks.

IMO the fight for gold is all but decided. Stop glooming, enjoy the chance we all have to witness those two teams skating.

 

[Nmsis]

IMO the fight for gold is all but decided.

Do you mean "anything but decided" (tout sauf décidé) or "nearly decided" ?
"All but" is a tricky expression for a francophone.

 

[MarieM]

Anything but.

 

[ninalovesskating]

Oh my. You really are a super hyper fan. But please, don't put a team down because your favorite also are getting really good marks.

IMO the fight for gold is all but decided. Stop glooming, enjoy the chance we all have to witness those two teams skating.

Glooming? LOL. I'm simply expressing my opinion. I did say P/C can at least do one thing right, didn't I?

 

[allezfred]

I would say the fight for gold is all but decided and will be between Virtue/Moir and Papadakis/Cizeron. Calls in the short dance especially are going to be hugely important.

 

[MarieM]

Nah you are glooming. You can't compare scores. We won't know until the OG.
That was for PurpleRain oeuf corse

 

[MsZem]

Omg I thought this comment was being ironic but apparently not....?!!

I can't believe anyone thought it wasn't a joke

Sarcasm font next time?

 

[ninalovesskating]

Nah you are glooming. You can't compare scores. We won't know until the OG.
That was for PurpleRain oeuf corse

It's the Grand Prix. You can't expect me to play blind on this Olympic Season. Everything that is happening now is building towards the OG so the thought that these scores have no connection to the OG is just outrageous.

 

[MarieM]

It's the Grand Prix. You can't expect me to play blind on this Olympic Season. Everything that is happening now is building towards the OG so the thought that these scores have no connection to the OG is just outrageous.

I will make a prediction : the world record will each time be won by either team at their own competition.