Ermolina's interview with Mishin `A programme without the quads is empty'

[Meoima]

I have to say, I can understand why Evan won 2010. But that orange skin I can NEVER forgive!
lol

 

[caseyedwards]

I wasn't in Turin, but people I know and trust were, and they said he was fast and powerful there, even if his ice coverage was typical of programs other than St. Petersburg 300, which I saw several times and was the most impressive program I'd seen him do live.

What was impressive about him in Turin was his single-mindedness about not letting it slip away like it did in SLC. It was a champion's mentality, and he was getting to the top of the podium. While IJS had been in existence for several years, it had only been used at one championship before Turin, and it was primarily a 6.0 competition.

In Vancouver, he was slow and had no power in the arena. However, the facial expressions and the arms made good TV.


Of course he did: he was still recovering from a broken bone in his foot and the impact it had on his training.

Plushenko had always combined great big personality skating and single mindedness to win before Turin! It was his worst performance ever! His Olympic gold medal skate does not rank in his top 10 of performances. It was just grim determination. It was not a Plushenko performance at all. He was not grim. That's why Vancouver is so amazing and by far his Best olympics! No falling in short program or doubling of triple and no withdrawal! It was his perfect Olympics regardless of medal! Throwing your whole personality out for just a little more speed and power was wrong.

Then the issue is why lysacek even tried? It seemed to be mostly PR. Trying to play both sides.

 

[MsZem]

Plushenko had always combined great big personality skating and single mindedness to win before Turin! It was his worst performance ever! His Olympic gold medal skate does not rank in his top 10 of performances. It was just grim determination. It was not a Plushenko performance at all. He was not grim. That's why Vancouver is so amazing and by far his Best olympics! No falling in short program or doubling of triple and no withdrawal! It was his perfect Olympics regardless of medal! Throwing your whole personality out for just a little more speed and power was wrong.

Please stop abusing punctuation.

Honestly, the men's event at the Olympics has been a letdown since Yagudin retired. Maybe next year.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Then the issue is why lysacek even tried? It seemed to be mostly PR. Trying to play both sides.

Lysacek had been doing quads from 2007-2009 consistently until his foot injury. (The ISU site is working again, and I can confirm that he landed at quad with +GOE at 2009 4C's.)

He tried again at the US Nats to see if it was worth putting into his Olympic programs, which it wasn't. So he didn't. Hardly playing both sides.

 

[MsZem]

Lysacek had been doing quads from 2007-2009 consistently until his foot injury. (The ISU site is working again, and I can confirm that he landed at quad with +GOE at 2009 4C's.)

He tried again at the US Nats to see if it was worth putting into his Olympic programs, which it wasn't. So he didn't. Hardly playing both sides.

Indeed - whatever one thinks of Lysacek's skating (not a fan) or his programs (also not a fan) or his costuming (bored now), he can hardly be faulted for winning by the rules.

I will note that he did not try a quad in the SP at 2009 4CC, but this was a common approach at the time.

 

[Dobre]

Evan made the smart decision. Asking why can be answered in one word: gold.

He could score higher without the quad. Do we expect the reigning World champion to come out with the hardest jumps during this Olympic season? We don't. We expect him to do what it takes in order to make a good argument for the win, and we expect that he has a PCS cushion on the young jumpers. He may not win, but I don't hear anyone speculating that Hanyu is likely to come out with the hardest jump format this season. I have heard a whole lot of people trying to emphasize the significance of his transitions and trying to argue that Jin & Nathan's programs don't have as many. It's the same argument as in 2010.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Lysacek made the smart decision based on his health and the state of his quad at the time after his injury. According to Carroll, earlier in his career he refused to stop practicing with a pelvic bone fracture. He was willing to compete through serious injury, but he wasn't stupid enough to throw it away for someone else's definition of what it means to be a manly man.

 

[MsZem]

Lysacek made the smart decision based on his health and the state of his quad at the time after his injury. According to Carroll, earlier in his career he refused to stop practicing with a pelvic bone fracture. He was willing to compete through serious injury, but he wasn't stupid enough to throw it away for someone else's definition of what it means to be a manly man.

Daisuke Takahashi did not go for a quad in Vancouver because he wanted to be a manly man. Skaters are, and were, allowed to think that quad jumps are an important and necessary part of a champion's program.

It's not necessary to be insulting in order to make the point that Lysacek did the smart thing given his condition, abilities, and the rules at the time.

 

[caseyedwards]

Please stop abusing punctuation.

Honestly, the men's event at the Olympics has been a letdown since Yagudin retired. Maybe next year.

There is no abuse! The punctuation is totally justified!

Agree in some ways. 2006 was all about grim determination. 2010 was quadless so a massive disgrace and shame. 2014 saw men returning to quads and there was adjustment pains. Many men probably thought they would never have to do a quad in their life.

Lysacek had been doing quads from 2007-2009 consistently until his foot injury. (The ISU site is working again, and I can confirm that he landed at quad with +GOE at 2009 4C's.)

He tried again at the US Nats to see if it was worth putting into his Olympic programs, which it wasn't. So he didn't. Hardly playing both sides.

It was playing both sides. He said he could end his whole career doing a quad and did one at nationals right before Olympics? Flip flop!!!

Lysacek made the smart decision based on his health and the state of his quad at the time after his injury. According to Carroll, earlier in his career he refused to stop practicing with a pelvic bone fracture. He was willing to compete through serious injury, but he wasn't stupid enough to throw it away for someone else's definition of what it means to be a manly man.

It was about respect for sport and lysacek showed no respect.

 

[MsZem]

It was playing both sides. He said he could end his whole career doing a quad and did one at nationals right before Olympics? Flip flop!!!

It was about respect for sport and lysacek showed no respect.

FFS. Circumstances change. Lysacek's condition changed. His quad was not stable enough to risk putting it into an Olympic program, and the rules at the time gave him no reason to do so. Don't blame a hard-working athlete who played by the rules and brought his best game when it mattered. That's grim determination, even if the outcome does not appeal to you (or to me). Not recognizing this is what truly shows no respect for the sport.

See how you can make an argument without exclamation points?

 

[kwanfan1818]

Daisuke Takahashi did not go for a quad in Vancouver because he wanted to be a manly man. Skaters are, and were, allowed to think that quad jumps are an important and necessary part of a champion's program.

It's not necessary to be insulting in order to make the point that Lysacek did the smart thing given his condition, abilities, and the rules at the time.

Takahashi never got in front of the press and his coach didn't get in front of the press to denigrate skaters who didn't attempt quads in Vancouver as lacking. Nor, to my knowledge, did Lambiel.

Joubert did. Plushenko did. Mishin still does. I'm addressing their statements and characterizations, not your agenda.

 

[MsZem]

Takahashi never got in front of the press and his coach didn't get in front of the press to denigrate skaters who didn't attempt quads in Vancouver as lacking. Nor, to my knowledge, did Lambiel.

Joubert did. Plushenko did. Mishin still does. I'm addressing their statements and characterizations, not your agenda.

I didn't realize I have an agenda. I was accused of championing evil once, but this had to do with Danielle Montalbano, and to the best of my knowledge she has no opinion about The Great Quad Controversy.

Joubert did not denigrate anyone for not attempting quads in Vancouver, being more concerned with his disaster of a performance. He took no issue with being behind two quadless skaters in the SP at Worlds a month later, and I don't recall him having much to say about Lysacek's 2009 title, either. I do recall Patrick Chan bitching about various skaters, their marks and their programs (including Takahashi, IIRC). He's long outgrown that kind of attitude, though, and I wish you would follow his more recent example.

I'll reiterate that skaters are allowed to have opinions about what should be rewarded in the sport. They have a greater stake in this than any of us do.

 

[all_empty]

Here is an early season LP from the 2012 Japan Open. While front loaded and as unpolished as one might expect for an early season program, it is clear Plushy and team constructed the program properly and he was capable of scoring well by way of the appropriate content, rather than expecting the technical callers and judges to pretend something was there that was not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6_0TevMkhg

Actually, the previous year's program was actually pretty well constructed for IJS and without all the heinous music cuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJtNXvyWbg

Not sure what happened to his 3F though.

 

[kwanfan1818]

oubert did not denigrate anyone for not attempting quads in Vancouver, being more concerned with his disaster of a performance. He took no issue with being behind two quadless skaters in the SP at Worlds a month later, and I don't recall him having much to say about Lysacek's 2009 title, either. I do recall Patrick Chan bitching about various skaters, their marks and their programs (including Takahashi, IIRC). He's long outgrown that kind of attitude, though, and I wish you would follow his more recent example.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/skating/2009/03/24/chan_blasts_joubert_over_quad_ranting.html

 

[MsZem]

https://www.thestar.com/sports/skating/2009/03/24/chan_blasts_joubert_over_quad_ranting.html

Come on, digging up a Rosie DiManno article showing Chan's poor sportsmanship is just mean, especially given how young he was. I'm so glad he's learned to express himself better, it's nice to be able to enjoy his skating without such distractions.

Rosie DiManno, OTOH

 

[kwanfan1818]

Isn't it? And it's so nice to know that Joubert is such an evolved creature.

 

[aftershocks]

If you would like to debate, here is something you can read to get a decent background ...

--------------------
V. I. Lenin -
A Characterisation of Economic Romanticism

II. The Petty-Bourgeois Character of Romanticism - https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1897/econroman/ii8ii.htm

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It is not how they skated, it was the music they skated to, the way they were dressed, and their stated motives.

Seriously? Ah, okay @bardtoob. Have a nice holiday.

I have to say, I can understand why Evan won 2010. But that orange skin I can NEVER forgive!
lol

The question is, "How does Mishin feel about Evan's 'orange skin,' and Dai's fab, underscored sp? Inquiring minds want to know.

No one can be compared to the great John Curry.

Also, I am beginning to think that quad is the new dirty word...

You're only just now beginning to think that?! Surely you jest.

Hmmm, John Curry is a skating God, but even Gods have their foibles. Granted, it's hard to compare Curry's performances at 1976 Olympics to anyone else's down through the years. But in this sport, blasphemous comparisons happen all the time.

And of course, let's not forget how influential Toller Cranston was during the same era. Curry and Cranston were wary of each other's genius, as lore from that time, and their own quotes and reminisces have informed us skating aficionados.

 

[caseyedwards]

FFS. Circumstances change. Lysacek's condition changed. His quad was not stable enough to risk putting it into an Olympic program, and the rules at the time gave him no reason to do so. Don't blame a hard-working athlete who played by the rules and brought his best game when it mattered. That's grim determination, even if the outcome does not appeal to you (or to me). Not recognizing this is what truly shows no respect for the sport.

See how you can make an argument without exclamation points?

But what about standards and progress? People had to be strident in opposition to lysacek victory to make sure mens skating progressed.

Takahashi never got in front of the press and his coach didn't get in front of the press to denigrate skaters who didn't attempt quads in Vancouver as lacking. Nor, to my knowledge, did Lambiel.

Joubert did. Plushenko did. Mishin still does. I'm addressing their statements and characterizations, not your agenda.

I believe you are right about takahashi! He was reported to say his commitment to quads was a personal thing and a personal standard. But if all skaters were like takahashi isu wouldn't have changed rules and probably almost no one would be doing quads now. Just like 2009 and 2010. Maybe you'd see a quad toe here and there.

 

[bardtoob]

Seriously? Ah, okay @bardtoob. Have a nice holiday.

Of course . . . I hope you have come to appreciate me for who I am by now . . . I certainly appreciate that you keep me sharp Happy Holidays!

 

[aftershocks]

the Olympics has been a letdown since Yagudin retired.

I getcha on that sentiment. But let's not forget some pretty significant performances here and there, nothing earth-shattering of course (but there was Dai's fab sp, Adrian Schultheiss' mental patient, Lambiel's gorgeous choreo despite his nagging injuries, and Johnny's striving to find his former magic -- the crown of roses is unforgettable).

Very memorable Olympics performances
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQpZu3HDjpE very surprised there have been no imitators of this masterpiece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5E027T7bs Dai deserved 10s across the board for PCS; in my humble opinion, Dai Taka was a greater performer and athlete than Shoma and Hanyu combined; its not for nothing that Dai is Shoma's icon. BTW, Dai Taka was inspired by JWe (as so many skaters of JWe's generation were), and of course Hanyu's icon is JWe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxqdfsFRwzc not a sixth place performance, not a sixth place talent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyS4R0Gbrf8 this neither
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3frkW4f7ok And how soon we forget -- at his peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aA87gcMEUY this U.S. guy never got enough credit, even despite the bobble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDdt4vKtUI gorgeous here as well, unparalled transitions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUoqEHQvYUQ quad strategy in 2006 wonderful choreo, even with fall on quad and hand down on 3-axel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuBpsych9Vo Ahhh Lamby zebra, not stellar technically with the 2-axel instead of 3-axel, fallout on 2nd quad, fall on 3-lutz, but the 4/3/2 combo was magnifico along with spins & choreo which helped him grab silver (Okay, these last two performances despite garnering medals are not as memorable as JWe's second place 2006 sp -- too bad JWe 'missed the bus' for the fp that year)

In 2014, less than scintillating gold and silver medal winners, but this one was very good:
That 30-second rule these days is a Godsend! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmOUP7OdfRY
Lamby in 2014, not at full strength physically, but gorgeous creatively:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwnqYkMRSyg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAWWDZ5GY_M

Eh, so to a large degree you are right re Yagudin being the last one to bring the superior technique and the performance value at the Olympics among top contenders. Still, there were some memorable performances, only not very memorable battles since 2002, 1998, 1988, and 1992 was great for Paul Wylie's renaissance, 1994 for Elvis & the elegant Urmanov (sad for Browning aside from fab Casablanca fp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UlVeNEBFKE Yags 2002 Winter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6zeIUH3rHg Yags 2002 Man in the Iron Mask

Who knows, maybe something unexpected will happen in Pyeongchang for the men. It would be nice to see a top-notch technique/performance battle without flutzing, falls, pre-rotations, hands-down, pops to doubles, injury-depleted stars, and f'ing fs politics.

 

[MAXSwagg]

Evan made the smart decision. Asking why can be answered in one word: gold.

He could score higher without the quad. Do we expect the reigning World champion to come out with the hardest jumps during this Olympic season? We don't. We expect him to do what it takes in order to make a good argument for the win, and we expect that he has a PCS cushion on the young jumpers. He may not win, but I don't hear anyone speculating that Hanyu is likely to come out with the hardest jump format this season. I have heard a whole lot of people trying to emphasize the significance of his transitions and trying to argue that Jin & Nathan's programs don't have as many. It's the same argument as in 2010.

Evan did two programs that Mao Asada could do. He had easy programs so the fact that he had a few transitions is irrelevant. Hanyu has incredibly difficult content and significantly more transitions than Evan Lysacek ever did. We expect him to come out with the hardest jump content he can realistically do, which is one of the most difficult in the world. It may even be more difficult if he adds 4Lz (which is a realistic expectation). This is different than just throwing jumps in because they're difficult. Again. Evan had jump content Mao Asada could do...

 

[aftershocks]

Hanyu has incredibly difficult content and significantly more transitions than Evan Lysacek ever did.

^^ That could be said of Hanyu against a bunch of former Olympic gold medalists. So what! Hanyu ain't skating against Evan Lysacek. And remember that Evan won OGM skating clean, which is no mean feat, even without quads. Hanyu knows that, and that's one reason why he's bent on trying so hard for Pyeongchang, but I want to see a true and worthy battle for gold, without all the politics too.

Okay, I really must:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rmnRJGra5g Nothing if not determined, albeit workmanlike; got the job done
Not Johnny by a longshot of course But let's not pretend this wasn't an accomplishment to skate clean; Dai obviously should have been first in sp on style points as well as technique

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE4weIAOL_E Overdoing it with the black, but still got the job done and everything was spot on, if boring; it is something that this guy didn't fade the way Hanyu and Chan did at 2014 Olympics! After his DWTS stint, I have to say I think he would have made a better ballroom dancer with a great partner.

Once again, if a quad was needed, he would have pulled it out cuz he came loaded for bear. And he won. Over-favorited, yes. But no one can take his win away from him.
Better audio Brit Eurosport flashback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4DmQrRLMCs (Not a good interpreter of the music, but passionate & steely determination)

1998 Ilia and his leopard spots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pndyfifuHo
A wonderful skater, but a sign of those times: all that two-foot skating with few to no transitions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWpdvpPig64 Elvis is the word
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DacGJs_EDhw Elvis should have won in '94 or '98 -- he was that good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXvDQT2sDAk Wylie in '92 sp
Superior style, position, and he pulled his technical content together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMLFs1SUgLg fp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nX05r0KGV4 Plush 2010 sp
Again, Dai Taka was better; Abbott would have been too with his choreo & w/o the mistake; Plush's leg & arm flourishes add nothing to musical interpretation his skating looks labored; slow tuck spin but yeah ok his third Olympics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-LqT46Lxk 2002 baby Plushy sp shocker he misses his opening quad! Macho headache
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3auc9cPwD-c Plush fp better for silver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zipCnbnxp4 Sasha Abt trained by Raf, was no slouch 2002 sp

 

[Tinami Amori]

They were considered "over the hill" for skating literally before they even started.

Their aesthetic sensibilities were also very unSoviet. They were too artistically bourgeois Romantic.
https://youtu.be/9tY_2eE9hv8

In contrast, Rodnina was machine like and embraced traditional peasant (proletariat) culture.
https://youtu.be/b9LWvFari5k
(Gosh Rodnina has access to nice training facilities.)

I was in Moscow during these times, glued to the TV set @ every skating event, and clipping every newspaper article. Later when we left USSR, i met B/P 2x and had a chance to speak with them about "skating"..... In short, what you're suggesting (They were too artistically bourgeois Romantic) is not true!

I can give you long version, or short. Let's start with short:

- B/P were sided strictly because of their age, nothing else. To a small degree, the fact that Protopopov had a very difficult personality and could not get alone with any coaches, might have played a role. The team was self-coached without any participation from any existing coach or choreographer.

- They decided to leave USSR strictly for 2 reasons: Placing 4th in one of the domestic competitions, and after they learned they will not be included in 1972 Olympic team.

- Concerns with "bourgeois Romantic" vs "Proletarian art" went away in the late 1950's with death of Stalin. In the 1960's and 1970's "everything Classical" in arts was highly praised in Soviet Union as it brought great success to Soviet Image in Ballet, Theatre, Opera and Art Galleries.

- Rodnina/Ulanov and later Rodnina/Zaitzev where given "Kalinka", "Tziganochka" and "modernized" versions of classical pieces because Rodnina was an athletic skater, with "athletic" rather than "balletic" built. It was a strategical decision.

 

[alchemy void]

This thread is like FSU's greatest hits. Impressive!

 

[bardtoob]

In short, what you're suggesting (They were too artistically bourgeois Romantic) is not true!

Fantastic ... Happy to be corrected by somebody that was there!

Thank you @Tinami Amori

I only had press that was deeply influenced by the Cold War.

https://digital.bentley.umich.edu/midaily/mdp.39015071754373/285

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ace-a2ac-c8067a6b91a8/?utm_term=.d953439ece56

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-12-22/entertainment/ca-920_1_guest-stars

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...a93-bced-c71d77fc274e/?utm_term=.280ccd242a82

Oleg Protopopov was trying to set things straight, which wasn't easy. He kept skating onto thin vocabulary.

"We don't defect Russia," he said. "We left Russia."

The motivation was more artistic, he said. Oleg Protopopov lives for art and so does Ludmila Belousova, his wife.

It wasn't a question of artistic freedom, exactly, said Oleg. That wasn't it.

"Sometimes the reporters wanted to show that some artists in the Soviet Union had no artistic freedom. I wanted to stress on this point, we had artistic freedom. We had it. We had opportunity to perform any kind of numbers because this is our creative work.But . . . the problem was that we had no opportunity to realize, uh. . . ."

"I will explain you," he said. "For instance, you are a conductor. Or you are a pianst. For instance, Van Cliburn. And you say to him, 'you can play Tchaikovsky, you can play Beethoven, you can play any composer you want. As you like. But you see, unfortunately, we have only half a piano. If you can do it, have your artistic freedom.' In the same position was our art."

... their defection came as a complete surprise to both Swiss and Soviet officials, it was noted that Protopopovs arrived in the West with 10 pieces of baggage, including his videorecorder and her sewing machine. By November, they had signed a three-year contract with the Ice Capades. Reports circulated in the Soviet Union at the time calling them "two greedy, businesslike consumers."

http://www.nytimes.com/1979/09/25/a...couple-defect-to-swiss-top-soviet-figure.html

Their latest tour, with performances in eight West German and Swiss cities, was their third in recent years, all organized by Mr. Sönning.

“Never did they drop the slightest hint that they were planning to stay in the West,” he said. “If they had I would never have invited them. I am shocked. I think they abused my hospitality. I had planned to invite other Russian skaters to make tours. But those plans are now destroyed.”

He said he understood that Mr. Protopopov had frequently quarreled with officials of his Leningrad troupe because he thought the rinks they selected for performances were too small.

Here was a more recent, but seemed to follow the same line.

https://www.questia.com/magazine/1G1-360207464/the-pair-that-started-it-all

"Your style does not exist anymore," Ludmila recalled a Russian official telling her after Grenoble. She and Oleg skated classically, while competitors were becoming more acrobatic with each passing year.

Their successors to Olympic gold, Irina Rodnina and Alexei Ulanov, were praised for their speed and power as they performed unmatched lifts and jumps.

In 1969 they won third place in the World Championships and second in the European Championships. In 1972, the year of the Sapporo Olympics, they took third in the Soviet Championships.

They had no pretensions of a gold-medal finish that year at the Olympics, but had a strong reason to believe they could still make the podium. At the least, they argued, two radically different styles of skating performed against one another would benefit the sport.

Soviet officials didn't let it happen. The Protopopovs were also barred from further competition.

As their airplane pitched onto a Switzerland runway, a Soviet official told them, in no uncertain terms, what they could and could not do on foreign soil. This was an old routine. Oleg and Ludmila had taken part in a number of skating tours outside the USSR since their forced retirement from competition.

Exit visas, however, were becoming harder for them to get. Directors were also pressuring them to hang up their skates and coach--they could sense another forced retirement coming.

The official told them they must report all their plans, movements, and contacts off the ice. They promised, as always, to keep the Soviet embassy updated. …

 

[lala]

Well, it seems this thread became Mishin and Plushenko bashing thread...Plushenko said in his biography if anybody doesn't like Mishin that doesn't like him, too....so true..
First:
Many things were written about Plushenko weakness in Vancouver. Maybe. I don't care. But I said again thanks to that scandal the quad is the most important part of men FS again. That was a scandal if the US media didn't want to make so big scandal from it as he did with Sotnikova-Kim's case in Sochi. ( The US media was very busy with mocking and bashing Plushenko, they put some brain-washed sentences in the American's minds: he is not artistry, he is only a jumper, the quad is not everything, etc ) I no wonder we all know the reasons. Only the NY Times wrote an objective opinion on the event. They wrote Evan had prerotated 3A and wrong edged 3F and he wasn't punished for it. That is also important not only the Russians said Plushenko was robbed. The Italian, German, even the Brasilian TV, many commentators etc. Probabl you remember Stojko's opinion.

Second: You didm't mention Yagudin if you want to bash Plushenko. Yagudin never was better skater and wasn't better person as Plushenko.
Yagudin:
-wasn't better jumper
-wasn't better spinner
-he had no more difficult footwork ( for ex the Winter footwork is awesome and very popular but wasn't more difficult as Plushenko's footwork in his SP at SLC.) Not to mention Plushenko's footworks today. He evolved in it because he always wants to be better skater, he wants to learn new things. If anybody missed these videos https://www.instagram.com/p/BVrFr_dltg8/? and https://www.instagram.com/p/BUOlZIPhwiP/? . He can do it.
-Yagudin hadn't achievements he was always after Plushenko's achievement( 4-3-2, 4-3-3, 3A-half Lo-3F, donutspin, Biellman spin in mens, 4S, etc) because he wanted to be competitive with him.
- Yags wasn't more artistry (but he skated in American style , he trained in US with Tarasova and he lived there 7 years, thus he was incredible popular there.). If you look at their 6.0s! Plushenko was the youngest male skater ever( 16.yo, NHK Trophy) who received 6.0s for his presentation. He received 75 6.0s most of them were presentation marks. If we check their first 6 years among seniors, Yagudin 16- 22 y.o 1996-2002, Plushenko 15-22 y.o 1998-2004 ( Plushenko was born in November), Yagudin received less 6.0s by far!!!, he only received in 2002-2003 season. Right?(Im really curious of the exact datas of Yagudin)

Yagudin is a nice person, very emotional, etc, but on the contrary Mishin and Plushenko's are so cold, and strict, etc..
Really? Yagudin was beloved in N-A, he wanted to move there, he wanted to live there... he betrayed Russia.. He had problem with the police, he was drunk but he was driving a car. It seems it's a typical fault of the Russians in US.
After he moved back to Russia he said the Americans are like a robot, they have no emotions, they have no culture..
He always criticized Plushenko because he didn't leave the skating but he tried something else..unfortunately he wasn't talented enough, thus he skates in Averbukh shows today..He is working there for money but his daughter is schoolgirl in Paris...
After Sochi he had a disgusting lie against Plushenko on his Twitter.

Plushenko has own great shows: KOI where skate many Russian and foreign skaters , he created two world class shows, the Snow King and the Nutcracker. And he has the Plushenko Academy, skating school.He is on the world biggest shows..when was Yagudin invited last time?
How can compare them today???

What did Plushenko? Plushenko said he was robbed at Vancouver. Despite the fact he had many supporters he became the most hated skater on FSU. But I showed new video to Vash from Japan, and there are many others. He is adored and respected in many places in the world. They don't care of the transitions, etc. They see a world class champion, the most decorated figure skater in history who gave them touching, unforgettable moments with his performances even today.

 

[TAHbKA]

And this is also a reason I hate translating Mishin's interviews...

 

[MsZem]

And this is also a reason I hate translating Mishin's interviews...

It's truly a public service, and I got some value from it. But I'm not sure that's much of a consolation to you...

 

[antmanb]

Am I too late to the party to throw in a JOE INMAN MUST BE IMPEACHED!!!

Impeach!

IMPEACH!!!!!!!

 

[MsZem]

Am I too late to the party to throw in a JOE INMAN MUST BE IMPEACHED!!!

Impeach!

IMPEACH!!!!!!!

I would like to see Ivana Komova interview him. Maybe that will yield some new insights.