From Russia with love [#27]: Summer 2017

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Carmen :cheer2: We didn't get to see their Carmen SD after all. Come on guys, do it for your fans and skate to Carmen!!!
 
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chapis said:
Carmen or Swan Lake
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Eislauffan said:
No, it is not Carmen. :-D
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:D if your reply to “Carmen or Swan Lake” is “no, not Carmen”……. And! the fact that they are working with Radu Poklitaru, gives me a reasonable guess they chose “Swan Lake”….. :D

Because, Radu Poklitaru is famous for his modern (and rather weird) version of Swan Lake….. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2TjTbAKFDY
…. And it would be “cute” that last Olympics I/K skated to “classical S-L”, and B/S will be skating to “weird and modern”.

…. Or a touching story of “Cinderella", also Radu Poklitaru's choreo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVflfDSs-Gw
 
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I dont think Bobrova could do a credible Swan Lake. Well, maybe Black Swan. I could see her as Cinderella, but it would be an oddly childish choice. What about Turandot?
 
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Spun Silver said:
I dont think Bobrova could do a credible Swan Lake. Well, maybe Black Swan. I could see her as Cinderella, but it would be an oddly childish choice.
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Radu Poklitaru's Swan Lake is special..... and can be perfect for Ekaterina, she likes "voidy movement"….. :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2TjTbAKFDY

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What about Turandot?
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Ekaterina? Turandot?..... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/54/ca/12/54ca12e977ca780b11e4ffe8abbe73ce.jpg

:D It will take a plastic surgery with a face like this...
http://cdn1.img.rsport.ru/images/91615/43/916154350.jpg
 
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No, not Swan Lake either. I just said "not Carmen", because several people guessed "Carmen". Let's see when they are ready to reveal the music - really only at the test skates or earlier. But Ekaterina has a good point in saying that the music alone is not saying much about the program and you should listen to the music while watching the program before making a judgement. :)
 
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Olga Ermolina's interview with Alexander Petrov on the website of the Russian Figure Skating Federation:
http://www.fsrussia.ru/intervyu/301...-zastavlyaet-zadumatsya-a-chem-ty-khuzhe.html

Some highlights:
- he confirmed that he is working on the quad flip, also tries quad Salchow
- he feels not intimidated by the quad frenzy, but pushed by it
- worked with dancer Ramil Mekhdiev on his new short program "Sabre Dance"
- worked with choreographer Adam Solya on a free program to "Caruso", but they didn't finish it and he hopes to finish it at the camp in Courchevel now
- he just finished school and will start to study at the Institute of Physiculture, but thinks about studying law or journalism later when he has more time
- his girlfriend is Katia Vysotina, a synchronized skater in the team "Paradise"
 
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Spun Silver said:
I could see her as Cinderella, but it would be an oddly childish choice.
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I have always thought of Bobrova & Soloviev's waltz/polka for their 2013 SD as being their "Cinderella program." Mostly because of the waltz section during the latter half, of course. Complete with the ringing chimes at the end. It was a very successful program for them. That was the year they won their world medal. (Moved them up four spots from the season prior). Still my second favorite B&S program after Anna Karenina.

Anyway, there are many, many well-known pieces of music so we shall have to wait and see.
 
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I was hoping B/S would bring back their Beautiful Anna Karenina.
I just love it. It's s one of my all time favorite FDs
 
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I'm so late to this - I'll go with "Air" by Bach :p or "Moonlight Sonata", something with a classical feel one way or another. The battle of the Zhulin classical FD's (or some such).
 
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Ekaterina? Turandot?..... https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/54/ca/12/54ca12e977ca780b11e4ffe8abbe73ce.jpg

:D It will take a plastic surgery with a face like this...
http://cdn1.img.rsport.ru/images/91615/43/916154350.jpg
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Caucasian women with very different faces have sang and played this role in opera. It's not like opera directors only hire young asian girls or women with fine/delicate facial features for the role of Turandot. Also, except her (obviously) being Chinese, we don't even really know how Turandot was supposed to look like. I don't think some modern Chinese movie (as, I suppose, the picture is from a movie) is the only etalon for that.
 
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Plushenko could have left Mishin, as long as they had their finances in order, since often coaches didn't charge up front, but took a percentage if earnings. Plushenko could have afforded a financial divorce starting from his late teens, had he wanted one.

If Plushenko was in it for the money after he had provided for his family, he would have stayed married to his first wife, whose father was a bazillionaire. He could have stayed in politics, gone into business, made a fortune as a front man, and left skating behind instead of actively producing shows, starting a school, and doing the work. I never got the feeling he was in it for the money for himself so much: if anything, his comebacks were for the medals for him and money for Mishin's rink. St. Petersburg was heading towards being a skating ghost town for a while. He could have made more money in other skating ways.
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I didn't say Plushenko didn't leave Mishin because of financial obligations. I am saying that Mishin goes out of his way to provide funding for his group which is not limited to ice time/coaching costs. E.g. he helped Elizaveta Tuktamysheva's family to move from Glazov to St Petersburg - found a sponsor who paid for the apartment where she lived with her mother and sister, helped her mother to find a job (teaching at one of St Petersburg's elite schools). Same with Plushenko, Mishin paid his and his mother's living costs during the first years after they moved to St Petersburg. And it was during the times when it was difficult enough to afford even ice alone - Moskvina moved to the U.S. with Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze and worked with an American pair to be able to provide her skaters with proper training conditions.
So all of the above is part of the reason why these skaters feel moral obligation to stay loyal to Mishin, as they both said many times in numerous interviews.
And to be able to procure that finding (which started this discussion), Mishin always advertises young talents in his group, because it's easier I guess to find people willing to sponsor a next Plushenko or a girl with a triple axel. It may not be the best strategy in terms of their future career, but at the same time, it is more than a little naive to try and teach Mishin how he should manage his business.
 
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Eislauffan said:
No, not Swan Lake either. I just said "not Carmen", because several people guessed "Carmen". Let's see when they are ready to reveal the music - really only at the test skates or earlier. But Ekaterina has a good point in saying that the music alone is not saying much about the program and you should listen to the music while watching the program before making a judgement. :)
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Ok. :D... one more guess, given it is Poklitaru's choreo, and "well known music piece but not associated with a story"....
"Sarabande". Poklitaru designed a great piece for 2, and! this pieces has many new, interesting elements, holds and lifts which can be used in Ice Dance..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDf84e1KpUw

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She is Ruslan's girlfriend :)
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... and to add. She, Kseniya Zhiganchina, is Elena Ilinykh's friend. I think Elena introduced them.

lauravvv said:
Caucasian women with very different faces have sang and played this role in opera. It's not like opera directors only hire young asian girls or women with fine/delicate facial features for the role of Turandot. Also, except her (obviously) being Chinese, we don't even really know how Turandot was supposed to look like. .
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When the opera was created, there were no Asian singers available to sing the part. Now there are so how about getting them out of respect to the story origin. For historic, cultural, thematic accuracy (given it is a stage event/visual) a singer should appear, regardless of race, country, ethnicity, like the "character" she/he represents, in this case an Oriental Princess. Such can be a person of any origin, as long as HER FACE can be properly made up to look the part. Some singers of any origin look the part, and some don't.
Bad casting
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-luC0P1JF8...8JWtA/s640/sfOpera_Turandot-1a-CoryWeaver.png
http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/82/RongeTurandot.jpg

Good casting
http://www.culturekiosque.com/images65/turandot_la_scala.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xQ3TbYgMJQw/ThMjxOOdDzI/AAAAAAAAM4k/kqaFlZ6iArg/s1600/Turandot01.jpg

Bobrova's disposition, no mater how made up, will not make an effective, oriental princess, it's a fact of life. It does not mean she can't skate to it... but it will be quite "comical" if she does and not "organic".

Bobrova looks like a Russian village milk maiden..... Not an Oriental Princess.

Let's not make it an "ethnic issue". It's about THEATRICAL TYPECASTING..... something that is done for EVERY movie/theatre/state production.
 
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I didn't say Plushenko didn't leave Mishin because of financial obligations.
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And I wasn't replying to you: I was following on to what lala said in the post before mine.

lauravvv said:
Caucasian women with very different faces have sang and played this role in opera.
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And ages. If Tarasova were an opera singer and the Nilsson or Marton of her day, her age or appearance would not matter to most directors and opera companies.
 
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