USA making it harder to get "Extraordinary Ability" green cards/visas (multiple Carreira/Ponomarenko references)

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"The approval rate for individual immigrant petitions for permanent residence based on “extraordinary ability,” a category used by professional athletes, scientists, professors and industry executives, fell from 82.1% in the 2016 government fiscal year, the last full year of the Obama administration, to 69.4% for the 2018 fiscal year. It stood at 56.3% for the 2019 fiscal year, new U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services data show."
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"For athletes, though, the hurdles in getting to the U.S. also include explaining their sports to immigration adjudicators to show how they meet the set criteria for determining who is extraordinary.

“I feel like we’re living in the Twilight Zone,” said Ksenia Maiorova, a Florida immigration lawyer who works with track and field athletes, of recent decisions she had seen. “ESPN is not major media, European championships in swimming are not a major international competition. They’re questioning everything; It’s just become absurd.”

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"At least one athlete has sued the administration to further their cause. Canada-born Christina Carreira and her American partner, Anthony Ponomarenko, U.S. junior ice dance champions and world junior silver medalists in 2018, want a green card for Ms. Carreira so the couple can represent the U.S. at the Olympic Games.
Ms. Carreira was rejected, her lawsuit said, after USCIS determined that her medals didn’t constitute internationally recognized prizes because they could only be won by participants of those competitions. She dropped the lawsuit earlier this year; her family declined to comment on her next steps." (my bold)

...as opposed to the medals won by people who didn't compete? What are these officials smoking?

 
Hold on …. so they rejected her because they determined that her medals weren't internationally recognized prizes because they could only be won by participants of that sports competitions. What?? So that means its not a real prize because "I" could not win one, even though "I" am not a skater??? That totally makes no sense!! Does that mean that prizes scientists win are not real acknowledgements either because stupid people can't win them????
 
Hold on …. so they rejected her because they determined that her medals weren't internationally recognized prizes because they could only be won by participants of that sports competitions. What?? So that means its not a real prize because "I" could not win one, even though "I" am not a skater??? That totally makes no sense!! Does that mean that prizes scientists win are not real acknowledgements either because stupid people can't win them????

Sense and the Trump Administration aren't residing in the same building. Maybe not even on the same planet.
 
Hold on …. so they rejected her because they determined that her medals weren't internationally recognized prizes because they could only be won by participants of that sports competitions. What??

Well, she’s from an enemy country according to many Trump supporters: Canada. Seriously, if one expects logic and fairness from current administration, especially in regards to immigration and citizenship issues, that is all just wishful thinking. Unfortunately, the times we are living in are not good.
 
If they've dropped the lawsuit, then I think that realistically takes Christina and Anthony out of the running for the 2022 Olympics team. Even if the Democrats win the next presidential election, you'd only be talking about a year until the Olympics, it seems unlikely that would be enough time to restart and complete the accelerated citizenship process.
 
Tweet Trump and tell him they'll do a press conference with him where they praise him, and he'll make it happen.

I wish I was joking.

The hell of it is that you’re dead on - just pose with him and give a thumbs up and you can have whatever you want. ???
 
I assume USFS or possibly Christina's Congressional reps (who may be trying to help out) suggested a lawsuit would not be the best approach. I hope her team can find another avenue.

Perhaps if C/P make the World team this year, that would bolster her argument that she is one of the world's best. But then again, if USCIS didn't accept results of JW...

:(
 
I swear I’m wondering if the US gov doesn’t want to look like it’s favoring a half-Russian team, even though Anthony’s a citizen his lineage is Russian skating nobility. With any other administration I’d think that was far-fetched, but with this crew anything is possible. Or maybe someone with background knowledge is afraid Mrs. McNamara or Mrs. Green will turn out to be a Mrs. Mitchell.
 
Also, didn’t Alex Krasnozhon get his green card with fewer accolades to back it up than C/P have?
I believe Alex (along with his parents) got a green card because they moved here permanently and were starting the process of becoming citizens as a family. I don't think Alex's skating had anything to do with it and they weren't asking for an accelerated timeline. And that all happened 5 or so years ago, before Trump was president.

Or maybe someone with background knowledge is afraid Mrs. McNamara or Mrs. Green will turn out to be a Mrs. Mitchell.
H/B are likely the ones who stand to benefit if C/P qualify for the Olys in 22 but can't go.
 
I believe Alex (along with his parents) got a green card because they moved here permanently and were starting the process of becoming citizens as a family. I don't think Alex's skating had anything to do with it and they weren't asking for an accelerated timeline. And that all happened 5 or so years ago, before Trump was president.
I was under the impression that Alex didn't live with his parents, did that change? I thought I recalled reading an IceNetwork article saying that we was intending to apply for expedited citizenship when he turned 18, but obviously the site is gone and I haven't been able to find it archived.
 
Thanks, Debbie. I was not aware of the background there and thought he had applied under the same circumstances as Christina.

I also think it is H/B who would likely be the team to benefit in 2022 if C/P do not go. It’s still two years out and we don’t know how the teams will stack up against each other at that point, but it looks like it will be those two teams battling for third.
 
The really stupid part about that is that by that definition, an OLYMPIC MEDAL would not count.
 
I was under the impression that Alex didn't live with his parents, did that change? I thought I recalled reading an IceNetwork article saying that we was intending to apply for expedited citizenship when he turned 18, but obviously the site is gone and I haven't been able to find it archived.
Thanks, Debbie. I was not aware of the background there and thought he had applied under the same circumstances as Christina.
Hmmm, OK, I don't remember that IN article so I could be wrong. I was under the impression that he'd moved here with his family (at the time, he wasn't on the radar screen, still in Juniors). Maybe the expedited citizenship was if he became a big name/likely Olympian. But in any event, I think Christina has a better chance at making the team for Beijing than Alex does, so his citizenship issues might be moot.
 
I believe Alex (along with his parents) got a green card because they moved here permanently and were starting the process of becoming citizens as a family. I don't think Alex's skating had anything to do with it and they weren't asking for an accelerated timeline. And that all happened 5 or so years ago, before Trump was president.

H/B are likely the ones who stand to benefit if C/P qualify for the Olys in 22 but can't go.

True, and Jean-Luc is another naturalized citizen, right. Damn furriners taking Amurikan jobs.....
 
Hmmm, OK, I don't remember that IN article so I could be wrong. I was under the impression that he'd moved here with his family (at the time, he wasn't on the radar screen, still in Juniors). Maybe the expedited citizenship was if he became a big name/likely Olympian. But in any event, I think Christina has a better chance at making the team for Beijing than Alex does, so his citizenship issues might be moot.
I don't know if his family has since moved here, but at least initially he lived with a host family, and his parents visited.
 
I was under the impression that Alex didn't live with his parents, did that change?
Krasnozhon, at the age of 13, was not sent to JGP events, while he was in Mishin's group, was not happy with Mishin not making him his star student (Mishin had other top skaters at the time), etc. Alexei got upset and wanted to quit skating. His parents had friends (russians) living in USA, and in a telephone conversation they said "why don't you try to send Alexei here, we'll help him with skating, maybe he can do better here". (from his own interviews).

The whole Krasnozhon family came to USA on Tourist Visa, decided to let Alexei to stay and to try. Alexei remained with that friends' family, and parents went back home to St. Petersburg. Alexei's father is a doctor, now has private practice and works full time back in Russia (that's what pays for Alexei's expenses and skating in USA).
 
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Belbin's citizenship had to be piggy backed to an unrelated to sports bill to pass....

Yes, I was just thinking about Tanith and how hard it was for her.

Some countries are very willing to fast track citizenship for sporting achievements - good example is Katia Alexandrovskaya and Australia. It's a long process to get citizenship here, but because we are sports mad, that citizenship was (very quietly) quickly processed before the Olympics at the first hint of junior medals. (And then she was given a lot of media attention as our star import for the games). But she is a big fish in a small pond here.

I always thought it was a risk for C/P to try to go to the US. Canada would have been a better bet. And I suppose Ponomarenko is relived that he didn't choose Russia after all the dramas that are now unfolding.
 
The difference between Alex and Christina may be timing: Alex having applied for the process/completed all or most of it before the Trump administration, versus during it. And I understand he went through the standard process, wasn't asking for the accelerated process, which also likely helped him.

I also see that part of Christina's denial was because she was part of a team - and if that matters, Alex was not. It looks like US immigration doesn't currently see a difference between being part of a team as in a baseball team, and being part of a team as in pairs skating or similar.

As for the odd, only limited numbers of countries/people can participate in this competition due to your country has to be an ISU member thing - a skater friend of mine told me that he was able to get his green card here because he'd been in the Junior Olympics, which wasn't seen as such a limited competition, as far more countries are allowed to participate in the overall Junior Olympics than can compete at Junior Worlds or the Junior GP. So that wrinkle may not be all that new as his application was pre-Trump era. And his green card application wasn't expedited, which probably also helped.
 
Yes, I was just thinking about Tanith and how hard it was for her.
:D and both girls, Belbin and Carreira, are pretty classic caucasian girls, from well to do families... so it is hard to assume "discrimination"..

The difference between Alex and Christina may be timing: Alex having applied for the process/completed all or most of it before the Trump administration, versus during it.
No, it's not it. Alexei is here now for 6+ years. It takes 2 years to get Green Card, and total of 5 years to get passport (if one acts swiftly, not loosing even a day).
 
Hmmm ... The US isn't buying ice dancers anymore ... I knew the market would bust.

They should make a movie. "Last Days of in Pattern Compulsory Dance" starring Tanith White and featuring some guy nobody in 'Merica can name.
 
Hmmm ... The US isn't buying ice dancers anymore ... I knew the market would bust.

That's a point. There's so many of them in the US they don't need to import - especially not a female ice dancer.

A good pairs skater might be another story.
 

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