The Magician - also known as Yagudin... Long live Bumbarash!

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Brian Joubert training fluff
(Yagudin speaks English, but it's hard to hear him)
"he learns really fast"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VbwPOaQBdE

and more photos (Joubert and Yagudin)

their practice:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/stars_on_ice/post5389466/

other old photos:
http://cs4102.vkontakte.ru/u3322885/92685667/x_e7cf9755.jpg dressing room
http://cs4102.vkontakte.ru/u3322885/92685667/x_0745284a.jpg portrait
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/Smasheroo/Yags/AB1.jpg portrait
http://i50.tinypic.com/xc2hlg.jpg tennis
http://i46.tinypic.com/ngzm1e.jpg tennis
http://www.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/2635/2635356.jpg tennis

(It is said, that Brian led Lyosha to watch boxing. Brian's friend was boxing.)
http://www.photoshare.ru/data/63/63126/1/4lmhsf-e90.jpg

more photos by Bochkareva (2011, "Triumph of T.Moskvina"):
http://maison-joubert.livejournal.com/101265.html
 

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As for Alexei, Tanya and their children, I think it will be right to post some materials only here and some other only in Totmianina's thread.

But these photos should be in both threads.

This summer they skate together! :)
It's the first time, when they really skate together.
And they are really happy.
Maybe Carmen's Fate was cruel, but her Fate was a man. Now... Carmen even can't hope she will fall into men's arms. Now her Fate is almighty indeed and enjoys harmony - without any Carmen.

so happy :)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGeWcEACWem/?taken-by=ilyaaverbukhofficial

so tall together with Tanya :)
https://pp.vk.me/c604516/v604516264/15390/77JTGiNDxDM.jpg

so beautiful... :)
http://ipb.su/uploads/ipbsu/icegladiator/post-2151-1466932172.jpg
http://ipb.su/uploads/ipbsu/icegladiator/post-2151-1466932239.jpg
https://opt-636349.ssl.1c-bitrix-cd...38262a1f930e92/tn1g9a0831.jpg?146735218935879

Tanya's text: "Won't escape from us!!!"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHjwWdAjQ1b/?taken-by=tatianatotmyanina

Carmen keeps hoping for the best...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGZohlkh106/?taken-by=tatiana_navka

May she hope. :)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGeKsHrlkBy/?taken-by=tatianatotmyanina
 
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OK. Now Yagudin will find again Yuna's photo, and we will make our wishes.
And our Minister of Sport Vitaly Mutko will pray together with Yuna Kim and Yagudin.


The Minister's comment is the first under Yagudin's photo: "Lyosha, I am with you!"
(and a photo with the Minister praying) :)
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/462553567807541248

Our synchro swimmers are admirable!
Our athlets are the cleanest now, I guess. They will work for themselves and "for those fellows".
For Isinbaeva, who is clean too, as far as we know.
Isinbaeva is going to appeal to European Court of Human Rights. She doesn't want to be a candidate for President of Russian Federation of track and field athletics. Isinbaeva wants to have more children! :)

Isinbaeva wants to see our victories.
 

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September!

Time to go to school.
And Lyosha goes.
He was invited by one of the Sochi schools to give the start to the new Russian schoolchildren movement. New pioneers.
Yagudin is a good pioneer: "Always ready!" He agreed.
Actually, Lyosha just believes, that a good future for this project is possible. It depends. Yagudin says:

"All new ideas are well-forgotten old ideas. The main thing is to do everything using the head. And not to cross the red line. Any initiative has a chance of success."

Today only 85 schools in Russia participate in this project.
This video also tells, that now all the schools in Sochi take those kids which have serious related health problems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTYyXbHav4g
 

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WOW !!!
Michel's skating is awesome! :) (in a pair)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKK0sHxD2As/

To say the truth, Liza wasn't happy to have a sister. Liza was saying she felt unwell... It lasted not for one day. Lyosha didn't care. He was dancing for little Michel together with Liza. Tanya says, that even now Liza comes to Michel only when Liza wants to...

Yet today the photos of Lyosha's daughters are full of love :)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJXMkN1jCba/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BH2GySjD0E2/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCVYK3bpGJ4/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIU1GdaDUYb/
 

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One more video with subtitles: Belarus, 2016 (10 minutes)

Lyosha nearly has no time to speak about "Carmen".
Lyosha speaks about his kids.
(Averbukh doesn't mind, Lyosha always does so, when he doesn't have much time)
Yagudin's manner of leading in the family is charming... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6KJOj-_RhY
 
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When Yagudin and Marinin came to Urgant's show, Yagudin was inviting Urgant to skate in the new "Ice Age". Once again.

And Urgant promised to skate in a pair with Yagudin.
Why isn't this pair skating? :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubw_IxIGjrI (the video)

THE TEXT:
(Vanya is Urgant's name. "Vanya"="Johnny", "Ivan"="John")

Urgant:
Dear viewers, I don't need to tell who are our guests today.
Alexei Yagudin, Maxim Marinin. Good evening, guys.
I know, that you came for a reason, that you have a concrete proposal... so let's do it now, before the show. Please, tell.

Yagudin:
Vanya, well, we were coming to your studio with concrete proposals not once. Now it is 2016. We officially invite you once again to our "Ice Age". You always were refusing. Think a bit. I invite you.

Urgant:
Well, now I should say to you, I always was refusing, but when it is you who invite me, I am ready to make a pair with you, to skate and to win.

Yagudin:
Yet we should decide which function each of us will fulfil. It is a pair skating.

Urgant:
Well, we can decide. If you don't mind, I am ready to fulfil any function with pleasure. The main thing...

Yagudin:
Don't look at my height. It is not important.

Urgant: So you can lift me?

Yagudin: I'll do it.

Urgant:
Only one problem. Is Ilya Averbukh going to skate?

Yagudin:
He is going to be with us. Maybe he won't be skating, but he will be.

Urgant:
You know... I'll explain. I'd be skating with pleasure with you or with Maxim. Maxim, Alla was telling about you. I would be ready to skate with Maxim too. Actually, I adore all this... Why can't we skate in pairs, normal adult men. Yet now I want to address Ilya Averbukh. Ilya, I always was dreaming, that man's hands would be lifting me and woman's voice would be whispering: "Don't worry. Come on. I am with you."


The "Ice Age" thread is here. ("Ice Age" - 2016)
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...v-trankov-sotnikova-vasiliev-many-more.99371/
 

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tatiana totmyanina: why would he like to have only daughters??? is anybody still bothered with this question?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BLJm0CGDrjU/


Yagudin and Marinin were speaking with Ivan Urgant about their kids (2016)

Sorry, I decided not to copy a long text, so you can see the text by the link. Here I will only show some nice things, as a comment to the text.
Alexei, Maxim and Ivan Urgant:

http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...rbukh-s-team&p=1499982&viewfull=1#post1499982

Lyosha likes to say, that the real name of his dog is Varezhka. There is a nice soviet animated movie about a knitted mitten, which became a doggie for a little girl who was dreaming of having a doggie. The movie is called "Varezhka" ("Varezhka" is the Russian word for a warm mitten.) I don't remember Lyosha speaking about this cartoon, but... I guess, he just believes everybody know what the name "Varezhka" can mean. Lyosha didn't have a dog, when he was a child.
The "Varezhka" cartoon is musical (no words) - 10 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xUAgFDopJ0

Lyosha says the dog always guards his younger daughter.
Varya guarding Michel
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGOrXHhpGCv/


Now... Alexei and Tanya are in France
And Liza, of course. Liza studies there.
They have finished skating "Carmen" in Sochi, and the "Ice Age" can wait.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLGuZEvDHxM/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLGuu0KDfiZ/
It seems this year the school begins for Liza only now. Yet she is younger than 7 years. Yagudin says Liza studies every day, even when the family has a rest. And before French Liza has learned to read in Russian.

The girl studies:
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/555629983591198721
 

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So Denis Ten didn't have Olympics in his country, but he had the Universiade (in Almaty). The next Universiade will take place in Krasnoyarsk. The flag is taken. Yagudin who has been taking care about the Universiade in Krasnoyarsk for a long time, was skating in Almaty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdJT_ufHNtE&t=14m30s


On 17 February and 18 February Yagudin and others congratulate Tatiana Anatolievna Tarasova. Tatiana Anatolievna is going to be 70 soon.
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/index.php?threads/averbukhs-shows.100481/#post-5006958


New info about shows by Averbukh will be here:
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/index.php?threads/averbukhs-shows.100481/
 

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He always very rude and impolite to Plushy

:) Lala, I will be grateful, if you'll show at last which Yagudin's words about the Americans impressed you so much. Sincerely I say.
Yagudin is... shamelessly sincere. He really says those things, which come to his head.

When he was young and a crowd waiting for his autographs asked whether he would perform again, he answered: "Why do you ask me? I'm like a prostitute: when I'm invited, I skate."

When Yagudin was asked what irritates him, he said, that "people from Tagil" irritate him. Those Russians, which are everywhere, when one wants to have a rest. Those Russians which appear with shouts: "A-a-ah! Tagil!!"

His relations with his birth city (St. Petersburg) are very funny. Once upon a time he said, that soon he would start croaking (like a frog) in "this morass" (in this wet city). "I don't understand how is it possible to live in this city?" Some people were trying to teach him to be more polite, of course. They didn't succeed.
yagudinofficial: "writing twits about PETER!!! ) next time I will come there on 6 or 7 November and I'll write something else about it )"
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/264378010977828865

When he was young, he was proud, that girls in Peter were beautiful. "In Peter, not in Moscow!"

He also worried about Sochi before the Olympics.
yagudinofficial: "Sochi is a scrapyard and rudeness!!!! Is the Winter Olympics going to be here?!?!?!?! P.S. There also were some positive things, but not many."
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/299771561823588352
He also said, that Sochi is a place with unique climate, but many people were trying to teach him to be more polite, of course.

When somebody who needed a surgery on a hip asked for his advice, Yagudin answered:
yagudinofficial: "In Russia it would be cheaper, of course, but it may happen, that they'll put a knee joint instead of a hip! 50%/50% I think Germany or Switzerland is the optimal variant"
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/277033197219500032

yagudinofficial: A supper in Milan. Yet still nothing can be as good as France!!!
somebody: Is Milan worse?(
yagudinofficial: Milan is a "village" in comparison with France
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/252065331504365568

yagudinofficial: Sochi! The paradise!
somebody: Not long ago you were saying, that Sochi is a scrapyard. I guess your buttocks is still hurting.
yagudinofficial to her: It was so 2 years ago, now Sochi really has changed!
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/487566088654163968

If a reader in twitter is even more rude to him, Yagudin says: "Have a nice day too."

Could he say about Plushenko, that "the old shoes can't be converted to the new models"? Of course, he could. Yet it seems we know, that Yagudin is older anyway. :)

When people try to teach Yagudin, he says they could spend their time with their families. He really thinks so. He doesn't think, that twitter and instagram are useful. He says to his readers, that nobody makes them visit his twitter. Yet it seems some of the readers are very stubborn and patient. :)

As for any Evgeni's problems... Yagudin can't be the only reason. Evgeni, Mishin, Rudkovskaya were speaking too, and it is natural, that some people were tired - not because of Yagudin.
 
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Lala, I will be grateful, if you'll show at last which Yagudin's words about the Americans impressed you so much. Sincerely I say.

http://www.womanhit.ru/psychology/family/652790-aleksey-yagudin-osnova-braka-eto-dialogi.html

You lived long enough in America, then returned. Did not like?
Alexey: "I really spent seven years in America. Four years of riding there under the guidance of Tatyana Tarasova, then there were tours. And after that I came for two weeks to rest in Petersburg, and my mother asked: "Are you for long? When are you going back? "And I realized that I do not want to go back to America at all. There everything is artificial, from food to emotions. People are like robots. In Russia people are still more sincere, open to communication. Plus here my mentality, culture, humor. I remember when, after America, I went for the first time to walk along Nevsky Prospect, I was just stunned: what beautiful girls we have! They try to look good, to dress more efficiently, even on small money. And in America, people just need to wear shorts and slippers to go out. Although the opportunities they often have much more and they earn well. I already said that recently my wife and I were vacationing in Hong Kong. This city, too, I admit, surprised. There, too, the girls are very attentive to themselves - such beautiful women are walking along the streets, dark-haired. A sight for sight. But then Tatyana and I flew to Moscow and realized: we all the same are better! This is my home. " -google translate

As for any Evgeni's problems... Yagudin can't be the only reason. Evgeni, Mishin, Rudkovskaya were speaking too, and it is natural, that some people were tired - not because of Yagudin.

What is Evgeni's problems? What are you talking about?

"He always very rude and impolite to Plushy" - where is this from? I don't remember..

Oh, Lyosha is the nicest person in the world.
 

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Thank you, Lala. Indeed. Thank you.

"He always very rude and impolite to Plushy" - where is this from? I don't remember.
You always can press the arrow (which shows "up") near the quote, and it will lead to the quoted post. (actually, I needed any your words, I've chosen those words)
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/in...read-road-to-sochi.85744/page-21#post-4074436

What is Evgeni's problems? What are you talking about?
You were saying, that Evgeni lost many fans in 2014 because of Yagudin, as far as I remember.
Oh, Lyosha is the nicest person in the world.
Why? Anyway, my opinion is my problem. We are not alone here. May he answer for his words, if he really said something unsufferably bad. You know... Yagudin doesn't like the word "love". He thinks it is better to hug instead of saying some words, the meaning of which is not clear. It seems he really hugs and touches everything what moves, and people pet him too. As for the words... maybe my attitude to the other words in his vocabulary is the same: the words are not something absolutely serious or something absolutely clear. His opinion about Russians isn't absolutely good, not only about "people from Tagil" or about Sochi. As for himself... he is not only a "prostitute", he is a "rat", a "fool" and etc.

Sometimes Yagudin says nothing. He thinks he shouldn't say anything about the boys which were cruel to Plushenko and to Yagudin, when they were children. He says he never said anything bad about his former girlfriends. It seems it is true. He thinks he shouldn't say what countries invited him to skate for their country (when he competed).

You said, that Yagudin seems to be saint, when I speak about him. I answered, that I don't expect people to be saint. What about Evgeni? :)
Anyway... they are different. (what a surprise!)
As for me, my opinion about Evgeni became better indeed.
 

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"I say sincerely" ;) I liked Yagudin as a skater, I was a fan of him at the beginning. After I saw the little Plushy at ECH 1998 and "I fell in love with him" immediately.

But as I said I can't forgive him what he did against Plushenko in 2013-2014. That showed his real personality. Sorry, it was suspected from his interviews but those interviews weren't too serious. He often said - I don't remember his original words but this was the essence -: Plushenko needs to forget the FS, he needs to do something new in his life, he recommended him enjoys his life and his family, etc. But he, Yagudin tried many things, he tried to be singer, actor in TV series and theater (?). (But he wasn't too succesful in them. Right? Plus he doesn't like the FS, when did you see him in competitions? The skating is one of his jobs, he earns money with it in Averbukh shows. No more. )
On the contrary Evgeni adores the ice, the skating, the sports, he said not once he can't live without it. Probably you know this was one of the reasons why he divorced from his first wife. She and her billionaire father wanted to Zhenya finish the skating after Torino, and he had job in the hotel business ( Masha's father is a hotelier). He started to learn in St. Petersburg University of Economics majoring in hotel and tourism.( He graduated) But he wanted to skate more.
( I'm sure if Evgeni would be an actor he would be good in it. Look at him in some programs. Have you seen the humorous episode of Urgant show when he was an old skater who wanted to compete at Bagdad OG 2054? He was amazing! Did you read his biography? When he was 20-21 y.o. received a bid from US to make a movie in a romantic skating story.. He accepted it, but later he rejected, because to make a movie a very long time and he wanted to be Olympic champion.)

But back to 2014. When he withdrew from individual competiton Yagudin was one of the firsts who said Plushenko isn't injured! He only wanted to the team gold and his injury is fake! And he did a roadshow with his opinion in the Russian media. But he had no information.Even Plushenko didn't know what happened in his back. Just felt an incredible pain in it. Rina, he wanted to compete!!! Why not? A team gold and for ex a 4th place is a great result if anybody is 31!!!! He had chance! Plus he received high marks in team event, that would have been enough on 3rd place!! He always believes in himself!!! He competed with injury many times and won in the past.. Plus he loves Russia!!! He is a patriot!!! He knew he is the only one Russian man in the competition! So, if he withdrew he had real reasons.
Yagudin had to know Plushenko! Rina, had to know him... They grew up together! Alexei said he wanted to the team gold and wanted to advertise with it his show tour in Russia. He had a plan with signed contracts for 60 shows in Russia, in Siberia, etc. That is Averbukh's field.. he has shows in whole Russia. So I think Yagudin attacked Plushenko because of envy and business...
And that action on the Twitter! When he wrote Evgeni and his wife threatened his family, despite he already knew that was a joke from a stupid humorist!!!
And after these stories you can't show anything when Evgeni scolded Alexei. He said Alexei Yagudin doesn't exist for him...And he takes himself seriously.
In May 2014 Alexei said to send Plushenko in Sochi was the good decision...Do you understand???
And you don't worrie about Plushenko's popularity..He lost fans and he has Russian haters, but he remained one of the most popular athletes in Russia. He beat for ex. Sotnikova and Lipnitskaya in 2014. and 2015.

I don't think Plushenko is a saint. He is a talented man, sincere, humorous, peaceful person, who knows who is he. He received so much adorations from the beginning! He has many fans, beloved, he is famous, he has a wonderful life! I believe he remained a normal guy despite these things. But we all know the people are changing by the money, fame.....
I don't understand why you started this conversation.
 
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OK. For me only one correction will be important. He doesn't say "we all the same are better", he says: "our country still is better! This is home."

with some corrections:

"I have spent seven years in America indeed. Four years of skating there under the guidance of Tatiana Tarasova, then I had the tours. And after that I came for two weeks to rest in Peter, and my mom asked: "Are you going to stay for a long time? When are you going back?" And I realized that I do not want to go back to America at all. Everything is artificial there, from food to emotions. People are like robots. In Russia people are still more sincere, open to communication. Russian people have mutual mentality, culture, humor. I remember when, after America, I went for the first time to walk along the Nevsky Prospect, I was just stunned: how beautiful are our girls! They try to be good-looking, to dress eye-catchingly, even if they don't have much money. In America people just wear shorts and slippers, when they go out. Although often they have better opportunities, they earn well. I already said that not long ago my wife and I were vacationing in Hong Kong. I admit, this city surprised me too. In Hong Kong the girls are very attentive to themselves too, such slim dark-haired beauties are walking along the streets. A feast for the eyes. Yet then Tatiana and I came back to Moscow and realized: our country still is better! This is home."
 
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I don't understand why you started this conversation.
I just felt, that it is fair to let you say what words about the Americans were so bad. It is fair not only to "like" each other, but to be sincere. :)
I don't say, that you should forgive, but you repeat every word again... OK, I'll try...

he wrote Evgeni and his wife threatened his family, despite he already knew that was a joke from a stupid humorist!!!
I didn't want to repeat it, but Yagudin heard the real Rudkovskaya's voice. The "stupid humorist" phoned her too (when she wasn't Evgeni's wife), so he had the audiotape of her voice, she was threatening somebody indeed. She was young, it was another part of her life, and... actually, she didn't do anything even in that case (as I understand), but Yagudin heard, that she is able to threaten. She is not Baturin, but... she really could know some "serious people".
Years ago some people followed Yagudin's family indeed (though those people did nearly nothing too). (https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/in...are-beautiful-and-full-of-emotions-now.98826/) We just talk on a forum, but he had to defend his real family. Maybe in such a situation one doesn't know, should he believe a "bad" phone call or should he believe, that it was a joke.
Sorry, maybe stubborn Yagudin thinks he shouldn't even apologize, when somebody is able to threaten, even if Yana didn't threaten him.

Yagudin was one of the firsts who said Plushenko isn't injured! He only wanted to the team gold and his injury is fake!
Alexei was impressed by Evgeni's words. The link to the article still works:
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/425621823640727552
Evgeni says, that he won't go to the European Championship, and as for the Olympics, Evgeni will choose the team competition and let a young athlete participate in the individual competition.
yagudinofficial: "Do ISU and IOC know about these plans!?!?!? Or maybe Zhenya decided to skate 4 times? If it is so, I say: BRAVO"
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/425625536170176512

And he did a roadshow with his opinion in the Russian media.
As far as I know, there were only 3 talkshows, and in 2 of them Evgeni or Mishin were in the studio, not Alexei (as for Alexei, they just switched him on, when they wanted to, then they switched him off). As for the other media, nobody controlled their questions. And of course, those media which do "copy-paste", copy anything whatever they want to copy.

Why not? A team gold and for ex a 4th place is a great result if anybody is 31!!!!
So you didn't even expect Evgeni could have a medal? Yet you wanted him to have such a "result" - the 4th?? They both are mad, the doctors say Yagudin shouldn't have been jumping on his iron leg... I'm not a doctor, yet I think jumping isn't dangerous for his life, only for his legs. As for Evgeni's back... the risk for his life was discussed. Or a paralysis. A back is a back...

And you don't worrie about Plushenko's popularity..He lost fans and he has Russian haters, but he remained one of the most popular athletes in Russia. He beat for ex. Sotnikova and Lipnitskaya in 2014. and 2015.
I don't worry, of course.
:) The Russians teach their boys, that is not good to beat girls. :)
 
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OK. For me only one correction will be important. He doesn't say "we all the same are better", he says: "our country still is better! This is home."

with some corrections:

"I have spent seven years in America indeed. Four years of skating there under the guidance of Tatiana Tarasova, then I had the tours. And after that I came for two weeks to rest in Peter, and my mother asked: "Are you going to stay for a long time? When are you going back?" And I realized that I do not want to go back to America at all. Everything is artificial there, from food to emotions. People are like robots. In Russia people are still more sincere, open to communication. Russian people have mutual mentality, culture, humor. I remember when, after America, I went for the first time to walk along the Nevsky Prospect, I was just stunned: what beautiful girls we have! They try to be good-looking, to dress eye-catchingly, even if they don't have much money. In America people just wear shorts and slippers, when they go out. Although often they have better opportunities, they earn well. I already said that not long ago my wife and I were vacationing in Hong Kong. I admit, this city surprised me too. In Hong Kong the girls are very attentive to themselves too, such slim dark-haired beauties are walking along the streets. A feast for the eyes. Yet then Tatiana and I came back to Moscow and realized: our country still is better! This is home."

your english is excellent :)
 

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I didn't want to repeat it, but Yagudin heard the real Rudkovskaya's voice. The "stupid humorist" phoned her too (when she wasn't Evgeni's wife), so he had the audiotape of her voice, she was threatening somebody indeed. She was young, it was another part of her life, and... actually, she didn't do anything even in that case (as I understand), but Yagudin heard, that she is able to threaten. She is not Baturin, but... she really could know some "serious people".
Years ago some people followed Yagudin's family indeed (though those people did nearly nothing too). (
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/in...are-beautiful-and-full-of-emotions-now.98826/) We just talk on a forum, but he had to defend his real family. Maybe in such a situation one doesn't know, should he believe a "bad" phone call or should he believe, that it was a joke.

Sorry, maybe stubborn Yagudin thinks he shouldn't even apologize, when somebody is able to threaten, even if Yana didn't threaten him.

Hm. We all know the humorist already explained it that was a joke. And AFTER he wrote that on his Twitter. He didn't call the police, or anybody...No! He announced to the WORLD!


" she was threatening somebody indeed. She was young, it was another part of her life, and... actually, she didn't do anything even in that case (as I understand), but Yagudin heard, that she is able to threaten. She is not Baturin, but... she really could know some "serious people"." - I don't understand this.. This is just presumption what Yagudin thought and heard...And Yana was threatened not she threatened somebody..



https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/42562182364072755

Evgeni says, that he won't go to the European Championship, and as for the Olympics, Evgeni will choose the team competition and let a young athlete participate in the individual competition.
yagudinofficial: "Do ISU and IOC know about these plans!?!?!? Or maybe Zhenya decided to skate 4 times? If it is so, I say: BRAVO"
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial/status/425625536170176512


He said : "will choose" - maybe this is totally unbelieveable for you but he didn't know the rules ..Tatjana Flade explained him the rules after this, there will be no replacement,there will be no other skater in Sochi. Do you think, if he didn't want to skate would have said it? And yes, if one of the screws had not broken he could have been able to skate 4 times.The doctor promised 30 years garantee for the screws. And about the young skaters. The first substitute was Voronov not Kovtun but everybody talked about Maxim.. But I'm sure the Russian Federation sent Plushy to Sochi because of his consistency. But you can't say this about the other guys. Especially Kovtun. The Russians really wanted to the team gold. And yes, after the competition many people said the Russians would have won the gold with anybody..Hmmm.After the competition everybody is smart...but the decision was taken before the OG. Do you know every team mate supported Plushy in the scandal? They thanked him because he gave them power, and faith...He was the leader. He has fulfilled for having been sent forth by the Rus. Skating Fed..


So you didn't even expect Evgeni could have a medal? Yet you wanted him to have such a "result" - the 4th?? They both are mad, the doctors say Yagudin shouldn't have been jumping on his iron leg... I'm not a doctor, yet I think jumping isn't dangerous for his life, only for his legs. As for Evgeni's back... the risk for his life was discussed. Or a paralysis. A back is a back...

He was operated by one of the best doctors in this matter. They have talked about it the doctor allowed it. After his recovery he landed in quads and 3As in 2015 many imes. He is playing in an amateur hockey leage , in the Ice Wolf team now...He is crazy but he can't live without sports, skating.
Before the OG I believed he can win a medal. After the team event I was sure he will be on the podium. He received high marks! And if he could skate on that level at team event when he was under incredible pressure... why not?

I don't worry, of course.
:) The Russians teach their boys, that is not good to beat girls. :)



OK. My english is weak. I found this word "beat" . Probably would have been better this term : he was more popular than the girls. He was 1st, Lipni was 2nd, Sot was 3rd in 2014...
 
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your english is excellent :)
It isn't. :) But my Russian is a little bit better than Google's Russian. :)
The words "at ours is better" don't mean "we are better", they mean "in our country...", "at our home...", "in our school...", "in our city..." or anything like that. As for other words, google translate was not bad.

OK. My english is weak.
Don't worry. Your English is enough (even to speak with those who know about skating more than I know). As for me... I've already said, that I know nearly nothing about the skating. :) Indeed. :)
 

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This is just presumption what Yagudin thought and heard...And Yana was threatened not she threatened somebody.
I understand Russian language. I don't know the first dialogue (when the "stupid humorist" phoned Yana). OK, let's say, that he threatened Yana. What was her answer? She started to threaten him too and she was rude. After that the "humorist" had the audiotape, where Yana says: "I'll put you in prison!", "you'll pay for every your word!", "if you don't want to have problems with serious people...". These are the words which heard Yagudin. This is not a presumption. What was Yagudin's answer? He was patient and very polite to Yana's voice, but later he did what he did. He wrote: "if" and "I was speaking to Yana as it was said to me". Yagudin also had got enough comments from people who thought he was wrong.

Yagudin thinks sometimes he even shouldn't apologize (his real words). Maybe this is one of such cases. Yana was threatening, even though she didn't address Yagudin.

I don't want to blame Yana. And may Yagudin be guilty. Yet why you are assured, that the attitude to Evgeni's family or Evgeni's team depends on Yagudin's behavior, but doesn't depend on Yana's behavior? The same with Evgeni's behavior. You just say: "he didn't know the rules" or "it was a mistake". You think it is right to attack again and again. How can it be? :)
 
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I didn't want to repeat it, but Yagudin heard the real Rudkovskaya's voice. The "stupid humorist" phoned her too (when she wasn't Evgeni's wife), so he had the audiotape of her voice, she was threatening somebody indeed. She was young, it was another part of her life, and... actually, she didn't do anything even in that case (as I understand), but Yagudin heard, that she is able to threaten. She is not Baturin, but... she really could know some "serious people".


I understand Russian language. I don't know the first dialogue (when the "stupid humorist" phoned Yana). OK, let's say, that he threatened Yana. What was her answer? She started to threaten him too and she was rude. After that the "humorist" had the audiotape, where Yana says: "I'll put you in prison!", "you'll pay for every your word!", "if you don't want to have problems with serious people...". These are the words which heard Yagudin. This is not a presumption. What was Yagudin's answer? He was patient and very polite to Yana's voice, but later he did what he did. He wrote: "if" and "I was speaking to Yana as it was said to me". Yagudin also had got enough comments from people who thought he was wrong.

Yagudin thinks sometimes he even shouldn't apologize (his real words). Maybe this is one of such cases. Yana was threatening, even though she didn't address Yagudin.

I don't want to blame Yana. And may Yagudin be guilty. Yet why you are assured, that the attitude to Evgeni's family or Evgeni's team depends on Yagudin's behavior, but doesn't depend on Yana's behavior? The same with Evgeni's behavior. You just say: "he didn't know the rules" or "it was a mistake". You think it is right to attack again and again. How can it be? :)

I really don't undersand you. And I really think this is ridiculous...Yana, Baturin what to do with Yagudin's unfair, malicious action? What happened with Yana in the past just irrelevant. I know you adore Alexei, but this is ridiculous... He already knew that was a pranker, not Yana. The other reasonings, explanation is just irrelevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXiID1q3iq4
 

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What happened with Yana in the past just irrelevant.
"What happened with Yana in the past"? :) That's the point. When Yagudin speaks or does something, you judge what is Yagudin. You are right.
Yet as for Evgeni and Yana, you think, that everything just "happens" to them, not because they say something, not because they do something. You don't understand, that people could not only see Yagudin's twits, but also could listen to the audiotape and hear Yana's manner to talk. Her behavior doesn't become better, even if Yagudin is very malicious.
The same with the situation connected with the Olympics in Sochi. It is strange, if you think, that Yagudin's behavior is the reason of somebody's negative attitude to Evgeni. :)

Yagudin tried many things, he tried to be singer, actor in TV series and theater (?). But he wasn't too succesful in them. Right?
:) I compare to the great soviet actors, so I think now he isn't good as an actor off ice. Yet he is a wonderful actor on ice. He is a wonderful speaker. He is a very good TV host, even though his normal voice is a whisper. He would be even better as a host, if he felt freedom, if he was as relaxed as he is, when he is skating or gives an interview. I think he never tried to be a singer, even though he agreed to sing with Daineko.
 
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"What happened with Yana in the past"? :) That's the point. When Yagudin speaks or does something, you judge what is Yagudin. You are right.
Yet as for Evgeni and Yana, you think, that everything just "happens" to them, not because they say something, not because they do something. You don't understand, that people could not only see Yagudin's twits, but also could listen to the audiotape and hear Yana's manner to talk. Her behavior doesn't become better, even if Yagudin is very malicious.
The same with the situation connected with the Olympics in Sochi. It is strange, if you think, that Yagudin's behavior is the reason of somebody's negative attitude to Evgeni. :)


:) I compare to the great soviet actors, so I think now he isn't good as an actor off ice. Yet he is a wonderful actor on ice. He is a wonderful speaker. He is a very good TV host, even though his normal voice is a whisper. He would be even better as a host, if he felt freedom, if he was as relaxed as he is, when he is skating or gives an interview. I think he never tried to be a singer, even though he agreed to sing with Daineko.

:confused::confused::confused: I'm tired of it..
 

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:confused::confused::confused: I'm tired of it..
I'm tired too. :)
I said long ago, that I am not ready to discuss Evgeni and Alexei on a forum. Not because of Yagudin. You may tell anything, as you see. It's OK.
I'll tell only one story. It was 2010. Lambiel's fans were surprised, when they read, that Lambiel won't go to skate with Evgeni somewhere in Siberia. It was Yagudin who agreed to run to Siberia and to replace Lambiel in Evgeni's show. Lambiel's fans were saying: "It is interesting to know, are they going to make Yagudin dance around Plushenko too and kneel on a knee?" "I had the same question. LOL But Yag won't kneel for sure." "I just hope, that maybe they'll do normal beginning and final for everybody, so that Stephane won't have to bow too"
Yagudin came, Yagudin skated 2 times for encore, the articles informed, that Yagudin thanked the audience. (Why Yagudin was the one who thanked? Who knows.) Totmianina and Marinin also came and skated. Yagudin didn't kneel, Totmianina didn't kneel and Marinin didn't kneel.
So... that is what Lambiel's fans thought about Evgeni's shows.
You suppose, that people speak about Evgeni's arrogance because of Yagudin. Well... I don't think, that Yagudin is the reason.
Yet I really hope, that now Evgeni became more attentive to people.
I like how Evgeni can speak now.
As for Yagudin... to say the truth, he often kneels.

Yagudin (Angarsk, 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAqgFo69rfo
the opening (Angarsk, 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysAH9QfeHWQ
TTMM (Angarsk, 2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ3wKbkMC98
 
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