The Dance Hall 10: The Saitama Samba 2022-2023

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They weren’t as dominating on the ice as SinKats or HubDon (and sure didn’t have the politiks.) But Bowie and Heart of Glass were incredibly underscored. And they both should have scored higher than Step/Buk or the Brits or both Spanish teams purely on skating quality!
 
I love G/F FD, the best of all the top teams. Such an intriguing music, and this time around the performance quality was much better, it drew me in. I knew Charlene could pull edgy material, please Barbara no more la la land and more of this.
Very happy for them, they deserve success.
 
Andrea82 said:
Couple representing Armenia (Azroian/Grezdev) achieved the TES for Europeans at Denis Ten Memorial.
Couples representing Kazakhstan (Nauryzova/Datiev) and Azerbaijan (Carhart/Kolosovkyi) achieved the TES for Words at Denis Ten Memorial.

However, yes, just by looking at the names on the panels, the DTM screamed "let's push everybody over the minimums" type of events. Only Baranov was missing.

A/G needs a couple of points more in the RD for Worlds...where is the "magic" place to be next? Santa Claus Cup or Bosphorus Cup?
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Pavel Roman Memorial was a good place to compete.
Everyone in the Free Dance went over the 49 points of TES required for Worlds. So Ipolito/Russell have now the required minimums for Worlds.
Cimlova/Polizoakis were scored 170 overall.
 
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cocotaffy said:
I love G/F FD, the best of all the top teams. Such an intriguing music, and this time around the performance quality was much better, it drew me in. I knew Charlene could pull edgy material, please Barbara no more la la land and more of this.
Very happy for them, they deserve success.
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I concur. I've concurred for a very long time actually. I'm so happy to see Charlene back to what she's wonderful at.
Contemporary style and themes.
 
I was surprised how much I liked G/F today, I can’t remember ever really liking one of their programmes previously. As a lifelong Bowie fan I actually really disliked that one for some reason! :(

I’m interested to know: have any teams indicated if they were just staying in for one more season, or if they are in for the whole Olympic cycle?
 
miffy said:
I was surprised how much I liked G/F today, I can’t remember ever really liking one of their programmes previously. As a lifelong Bowie fan I actually really disliked that one for some reason! :(

I’m interested to know: have any teams indicated if they were just staying in for one more season, or if they are in for the whole Olympic cycle?
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Guignard/Fabbri haven't committed but want to be around (at home) in 2026. The others probably have said it's year-by-year at some point.
 
I’d imagine if G/F win worlds they’ll stick around
I’m fairly certain they said they wanted to stay for the entirety of the quad.
I mean why wouldn’t they if they are winning and getting recognized for their skating skills.
Who knows what or who could come out of the woodwork in the next quad regarding competitors and whether or not they let Russians back in the game.
I doubt G/P stay if they don’t win gold at worlds. Plus I think La/La are going to challenge them each season to hang on to the Canadian championship. And could definitely overtake them based on their skating skills and speed.

Not sure about C/B. H/B are breathing down their necks and are frankly better skaters. Definitely on footwork and twizzles.

And who knows about P/C? Although I’m not feeling them returning.

As I said, they’d leave everyone in the dust. Not sure how satisfying that would be for a team.

But anything can happen.

I’m not a massive fan of G/F although I respect their skill. I just think their programs lack. If they find something that can bring out their love for one another and more connection on the ice with each other and with the crowd, I think they could be unbeatable.

I’d honestly love to see them with an IAM program or maybe Dean could do something with them.
 
allezfred said:
I think many here are underrating Chock/Bates. Wasn’t the greatest outing for them at Skate America so if things go to plan they should score significantly better at NHK.
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Provided they control the twizzles, they should do fine. I absolutely hate the RD of G/F, and I'm waiting to be impressed by either of their FDs.
 
Bigbird said:
Provided they control the twizzles, they should do fine. I absolutely hate the RD of G/F, and I'm waiting to be impressed by either of their FDs.
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True its a vulnerable spot for them.

But they also are generally one of the slowest teams through the footwork sequences.

Their lifts are generally untouchable.

And they know how to sell a program.

The new rules allow them more of a fighting chance to take the top.
 
G/P are likely staying at least for 1 more season, for a home-country Worlds in Montreal. After that, who knows? C/B have said they're taking it year by year.

ETA: Watching practices at SA, I felt like C/B's twizzles and overall speed have improved. Unfortunately, that didn't carry over to the competition. I'm hopeful for a much better performance at NHK.
 
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allezfred said:
I think many here are underrating Chock/Bates. Wasn’t the greatest outing for them at Skate America so if things go to plan they should score significantly better at NHK.
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Yes, and I think there is no clearly superior team this season that it's really going to be about how they skate at the GP finals and then again at Worlds. I sense another Worlds 2014 situation in ice dance.
 
marbri said:
Yes, and I think there is no clearly superior team this season that it's really going to be about how they skate at the GP finals and then again at Worlds. I sense another Worlds 2014 situation in ice dance.
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Could I please get an explainer? What happened in 2014?
 
leilaofpaper said:
Could I please get an explainer? What happened in 2014?
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Cappellini and Lanotte won! :encore:

Seriously, what Tony said, the scoring came out so close that it was crazy. I remember I was watching live at like three in the morning and I shouted when the scores came up! :lol:

Natalie Pechalat totally thought she was screwed and she may not have been wrong. And Weaver & Poje were expected to win.

It was wild and then

Cappellini and Lanotte won! :encore:
 
leilaofpaper said:
Could I please get an explainer? What happened in 2014?
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A super close finish at Worlds

1Anna CAPPELLINI / Luca LANOTTE
ITA.GIF
ITA
175.4314
2Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE
CAN.GIF
CAN
175.4123
3Nathalie PECHALAT / Fabian BOURZAT
FRA.GIF
FRA
175.3732
4Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV
RUS.GIF
RUS
174.3851
 
BlueRidge said:
Cappellini and Lanotte won! :encore:

Seriously, what Tony said, the scoring came out so close that it was crazy. I remember I was watching live at like three in the morning and I shouted when the scores came up! :lol:

Natalie Pechalat totally thought she was screwed and she may not have been wrong. And Weaver & Poje were expected to win.

It was wild and then

Cappellini and Lanotte won! :encore:
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And how can we forget Ilinykh literally finding out mid-competition, (was it before the SD or between the SD and the FD? Why do I think it was after the SD..), that her partner was about to dump her and then still nearly climbing back to win. The drama of it all. :lol:

ETA- apparently it was like the day of the SD, just before the competition.
 
Mom & I were just discussing Cappellini & Lanotte's Barber of Seville program. And I rewatched the version from Europeans. I find that it holds up well looking back at it.

NHK will be interesting. Fournier-Beaudry & Sorensen have had a good start to their season. I would guess that Chock & Bates have been working their behinds off. (There's nothing like a close finish with the team behind you from Nationals to light a fire under someone). NHK is usually a high scoring event & C&B left plenty of points on the table at SA, though there they had the advantage of being at home. Anyway, their bumpy start makes looking ahead to NHK a little more interesting than it might have been).

Room for a surprise or interesting battle for the bronze as well. Reed & Ambrulevicius have the best FD they've ever had, IMO, (by a country mile), and it's been a while since we've seen them. Green & Parsons have had more time to work. (Looking better. I think the one lift in the free--the last one, maybe?--wasn't cutting it at Skate Canada. A bit awkward looking. The one in the RD looked great there though. Muramoto & Takahashi will be at home. Wang & Liu might show up for the first time since the Olympics.
 
I remember people in the PBP and ice dance thread going nuts over the 2014 Worlds results as they were happening in the SD and FD. With I/K sort of taking themselves out of contention, some joked that without "protocol" judging to guide them, the judges had no idea what they were doing and this chaotic result occurred where the winner was so close in score to the other two medalists that it seems like if one judge had deviated from their numbers just a tiny bit, totally different results would have happened.

This is what makes judged sports so unsatisfying sometimes. Even if a runner was just a millisecond faster than the second place finisher, that at least is an objective measurement. But in figure skating...when there's less than a tenth difference in score with 7 out of 9 scores counting for PCS and GOE and like 5 PCS categories and 12-ish TES items being judged...do teams really win or lose? It seems more like chance or a luck of the lottery at that point.

But I think it makes it exciting too because at the end of the day, for better or worse, the scores all came together in this system and this is how the results came to be.
 
Dobre said:
Mom & I were just discussing Cappellini & Lanotte's Barber of Seville program. And I rewatched the version from Europeans. I find that it holds up well looking back at it.

NHK will be interesting. Fournier-Beaudry & Sorensen have had a good start to their season. I would guess that Chock & Bates have been working their behinds off. (There's nothing like a close finish with the team behind you from Nationals to light a fire under someone). NHK is usually a high scoring event & C&B left plenty of points on the table at SA, though there they had the advantage of being at home. Anyway, their bumpy start makes looking ahead to NHK a little more interesting than it might have been).
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C/B had an entire big-scoring element not count, so they are still comfortably in great position if they just modify.
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Muramoto & Reed will be at home.
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You would quote me, @tony, right while I was editing that:p. (Actually I typed in the names correctly at first, part of the post got erased, and I had to retype. Then I went & hit post before rereading it. Le sigh).
 
Dobre said:
Room for a surprise or interesting battle for the bronze as well. Reed & Ambrulevicius have the best FD they've ever had, IMO, (by a country mile), and it's been a while since we've seen them. Green & Parsons have had more time to work. (Looking better. I think the one lift in the free--the last one, maybe?--wasn't cutting it at Skate Canada. A bit awkward looking. The one in the RD looked great there though. Muramoto & Takahashi will be at home. Wang & Liu might show up for the first time since the Olympics.
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Also, don't forget that Lopareva/Brissaud will be in Sapporo too, fresh off their bronze at GPdF. Theoretically, five teams in the mix for bronze.

And, of course, the battle for 8th place and those WS points between Wolfkostin/Chen, Komatsubara/Koleto and Orihara/Pirinen!
 
Hoping to see Wolfkostin & Chen bring home that RD this time. (Sorry, Carreira & Ponomarenko fans. Those of you who feel you've endured a bumpy ride recently have no argument next to the W&C fans).

Actually I think W&C are growing pretty well together. This is one of those big learning seasons as they are moving up, and considering their volatility in general, the miss on the last element in the RD at SC was so par for the course. Fingers crossed that we get to see what they can do with all the elements this time.
 
C/P have been bumpy a lot longer. :p But I like W/C too (we really do have an embarrassment of riches in U.S. dance!), and I hope they do well.
 
Dobre said:
Hoping to see Wolfkostin & Chen bring home that RD this time. (Sorry, Carreira & Ponomarenko fans. Those of you who feel you've endured a bumpy ride recently have no argument next to the W&C fans).

Actually I think W&C are growing pretty well together. This is one of those big learning seasons as they are moving up, and considering their volatility in general, the miss on the last element in the RD at SC was so par for the course. Fingers crossed that we get to see what they can do with all the elements this time.
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I'd like to see them score better in the FD too. Its a great program. They did do better in the Challenger. That first GP was rough but maybe this time out they'll show off.
 
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