Skating for points, or...

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

That one time I put all seven jumping passes after the two minute mark

 

[briancoogaert]

LOL
For sure, it's not a well balanced program, and it should be reflected in the PCS !

 

[DimaToe]

Well given that the system is "the one with the most points wins" and it's a competitive sport, I can't rally blame someone trying to milk all that they can from a flawed scoring system

 

[alchemy void]

Yeah, I'd say Tutberidze has effectively beaten the system. Good for her and her skaters. This is a sport, and she is setting up her skaters to win, not necessarily the artistic balance that fans want to see.

However, now it is up to the ISU to make adjustments:

-maximum of 4 jumping passes allowed to get the second half bonus.

-tano/rippon only allowed to be used as a GOE feature on 4 jumps. (Although this one really doesn't bother me much at all---the 0/7 layout is just terrible).

-PCS needs to be re-calibrated, somehow. Just don't ask me what the answer is.

 

[DimaToe]

I think that what 6.0 was good at was giving the judges the liberty of assigning the artistic mark in a more liberal manner, they could judge what was artistically superior without having to necessarily provide the "proof" as of why. If someone like Zagitova is providing the difficult transitions/choreography, and presensenting their program in a clear and effective manner, even if the program itself is crap, it's difficult to excuse not giviving her the components to go along with the stratospheric TES mark, plus it doesn't hurt that she comes from one of the powerhouses in the sport. It's like the U.S. gymnastics women were up to 2016. They ticked all the boxes, were consistent and came from a program that consistently delivered top level gymnasts. It's hard to break the system when the system itself doesn't give you enough of a back up to do so.

 

[floridaice]

What type of conditioning program are they using? I know Zagitova and Med are young and that helps, but you have to wonder what the long term impact will be on their bodies.

 

[DimaToe]

What type of conditioning program are they using? I know Zagitova and Med are young and that helps, but you have to wonder what the long term impact will be on their bodies.

Well isn't that true about any sport about the elite level though? I mean I'm sure skaters like Cesario and Czisny can tell you what effects training at a high level had on the body, even if one doesn't win all of the big titles. I don't think that is exclusive to just Tutberidze's style of coaching.

 

[Marco]

I wish the ISU would issue some guidance on the CH or even PE components in relation to layout. Severe frontloading or backloading should be penalized if they make the program no longer well balanced.

Same for CH and IN when skaters do transitions just for the sake of doing them but without being in line with the music.

What type of conditioning program are they using? I know Zagitova and Med are young and that helps, but you have to wonder what the long term impact will be on their bodies.

I believe her main focus would be whether the skaters at their prime (i.e. before body changes) can win. Once their body changes and they start losing jumps, they get tossed aside (Lip) and the next wave can replace them like that. She has no shortage of fully backloading, tano doing jumping jacks.