Russian Skaters Allowed to Compete as Neutrals (AIN) to Qualify for 2026 Winter Olympics

Isu has banned Russia for invading Ukraine and that’s it. That’s why isu has banned Russia. IOC bans Russia for what it says is stealing property of Ukraine NOC and that’s it.
As much as I know that replying to you the resident troll is like talking to a wall, no. Just a big NO. Like Yougoslavia was banned during the Balkan war, Russia was banned for violation of the Olympic truce, it was clearly stated and documented whether it is within your ability of comprehension and reading or not. The ban recommendation was issued by the IOC in February 2022. The Russian Olympic Comitee ban was issued in November 2023, more than one year later, after Russian NOC took over its Ukrainian counterpart. You can rewrite the whole thing as many times as you want and it won't make it true.
 
Oh, Tatiana Tarasova has some choice quotes in several news articles today...

From RSport - https://rsport.ria.ru/20250513/tarasova-2016763278.html

"They only allowed us in single skating. More should have gone. And now we should thank the ISU for this? The bastards hate our country. They didn't allow us in pair skating. For 33 years in a row we were first in pair skating and determined all the directions of development of pair skating in the world," Tarasova said.

"It's very sad, I didn't even think that I would be so upset after this decision. This is an unfair and dishonest decision. There is some kind of doom. What they did to us is terrible," the agency's interlocutor emphasized.

And from Sport24 - https://sport24.ru/figureskating/ne...tsii-100-ne-uchastvovala-vyigrat-nam-ne-dadut

"I don't want to live after such decisions. It's so hard to think about the fairness of the choice of our singles skaters, I can't get back on my feet after the ISU decision. I didn't expect it.

"I always said that we should go, but in the current case, when we do not have the opportunity to send pairs, duets and their coaches... In such a situation, I say that personally I would 100% not participate. I cannot put pressure on anyone's opinion, but this is my opinion, because no one will be allowed to win," Tarasova said in a conversation with Sport24 correspondent Boris Korolev.'
 
As much as I know that replying to you the resident troll is like talking to a wall, no. Just a big NO. Like Yougoslavia was banned during the Balkan war, Russia was banned for violation of the Olympic truce, it was clearly stated and documented whether it is within your ability of comprehension and reading or not. The ban recommendation was issued by the IOC in February 2022. The Russian Olympic Comitee ban was issued in November 2023, more than one year later, after Russian NOC took over its Ukrainian counterpart. You can rewrite the whole thing as many times as you want and it won't make it true.

There is no difference between what I wrote and what you wrote. Russia is banned now by ioc only for stealing property of Ukraine NOC. Russia was banned originally for truce violation but that is not why it is banned now. Where is there any disagreement? None exists on this matter.

The issue was isu and saying isu ban is not the IOC ban

The isu ban of Russia is totally different than the ioc ban. The isu only bans Russia for invading Ukraine. You don’t discuss the isu ban at all. The isu ban is not the ioc ban. They are for totally different reasons and are not the same.
Oh, Tatiana Tarasova has some choice quotes in several news articles today...

From RSport - https://rsport.ria.ru/20250513/tarasova-2016763278.html



And from Sport24 - https://sport24.ru/figureskating/ne...tsii-100-ne-uchastvovala-vyigrat-nam-ne-dadut
No one cares about the approved they only care about the banned. Difficult position for special privileged Gumenik and Petrosian! Things have shifted very quickly. From some celebration to complete dissatisfaction and resentment and anger. Might be good for the approved special privileged people to keep low profile or reject neutrality
 
Russia was banned for the violation of the Olympic truce, and Belarus for its support. It has been clearly detailed in several IOC communications relayed by media. ( https://www.olympics.com/ioc/news/i...events-currently-planned-in-russia-or-belarus) so I don't understand why people, not only you Andrey, still find it unclear. It actually started with a "recommendation" that was followed by most sports federations around the world. The IOC has no right nor power to ban a country simply because "they are evil". They can't ban a country because it invades another one. It has to be linked to sport and Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb 20 2022, right within the Olympic Truce running from 1 week before the 1st day of the OG to 1 week after the end of the Paralympics as to ensure the athletes' freedom of traveling around the world.
That's incorrect.
Olympic truce is not a thing in general, and dozens of other countries were not banned in similar situations. About 99% of everything published is just speculations of people who try to make sense out of situation that makes no sense. All this bothered me so much so I went to the actual source in IOC to understand.

Obviously, Russia was banned because IOC is a Europe oriented organization, and a European war is more important than other regions. However, the legal basis is the structure of Russian OC that consists of individual regional OCs, and following the annexation of parts of Ukraine, the "new territories" entered the Russian OC as its regional branches (which they didn't do with Crimea in 2014 to keep the ties with IOC). Now that indeed violates the Olympic charter because these territories are already officially represented by the Ukrainian OC.

There's no legal base for Belarus ban I know of.

Also, there's no legal base for allowing the Russian athletes to compete because the legal status of Russian OC hasn't changed. I suppose they use the "refugee" mode to allow individual athletes to enter the Olympics, but that's really detached from reality, even if these athletes don't actively support the war.
 
There is no difference between what I wrote and what you wrote.
If you don't see the difference then there is a French saying for you: being dumb like a suitcase without a handle.

Russia is banned now by ioc only for stealing property of Ukraine NOC. Russia was banned originally for truck violation but that is not why it is banned now.

Yes, it is. The ban issued in February 2022 has NOT been lifted. It relates to Russian athletes. The ban issued in November 2023 relates to the Russian NOC. Athletes are NOT their NOC.

The isu ban of Russia is totally different than the ioc ban.

No it's not. The ISU banned Russia after the IOC recommended to do so for violation of the Olympic truce. An international federation CANNOT ban a country at its own will for reasons not related to sports.

The isu only bans Russia for invading Ukraine.
The ISU CANNOT ban a country for invading another (neither can the IOC). It's totally outside of its power and sport jurisdiction. You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. And it ends there for me. Have fun being obtuse and totally besides the point.
 
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If you don't see the difference then there is a French saying for you: being dumb like a suitcase without a handle.



Yes, it is. The ban issued in February 2022 has NOT been lifted. It relates to Russian athletes. The ban issued in November 2023 relates to the Russian NOC. Athletes are NOT their NOC.



No it's not. The ISU banned Russia after the IOC recommended to do so for violation of the Olympic truce. An international federation CANNOT ban a country at it own will for reasons not related to sports.


The ISU CANNOT ban a country for invading another (neither can the IOC). It's totally outside its power and sport jurisdiction. You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. And it ends there for me. Have fun being obtuse and totally besides the point.
You can read all about the isu ban right here:

You can see how it differs from ioc

One ban for war. One ban for theft of NOC property
 
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That's incorrect.
Olympic truce is not a thing in general, and dozens of other countries were not banned in similar situations. About 99% of everything published is just speculations of people who try to make sense out of situation that makes no sense. All this bothered me so much so I went to the actual source in IOC to understand.
If you went to the source, then you must have found the IOC communication issued in Feb. 2022. I'm on my phone now so I can't provide a link, but as media and a former consultant to the CIO I received it by mail. It wasn't speculation relayed by press or the grapevine but a recommendation not to attend sports events in Russia and to not accept Russian athletes at international competitions. The violation of the Olympic truce has not happened that often, from the top of my head, the only ones I remember are Yougoslavia during the Balkan war and South Africa during the Appartheid. The Olympic Charter is hard to mess with as there are people payed to check each little breach before and after every OGs.


Obviously, Russia was banned because IOC is a Europe oriented organization, and a European war is more important than other regions.
The IOC can only recommend a ban of the nations that are its members. All countries are not affiliated to the IOC, and the recommendation of ban cannot occur for other reasons than violations of the Olympic truce like doping, institutional cheating, putting athletes in danger, etc. Again I can't recall so many countries violating the Olympic truce outside of Europe beside South Africa. But that could just be holes in my memory so I'll stand happily corrected.
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There's no legal base for Belarus ban I know of.
The argument given by the IOC was active support of the invasion of Ukraine. I'm not well versed enough in IOC rules to know if it's legal.
Also, there's no legal base for allowing the Russian athletes to compete because the legal status of Russian OC hasn't changed. I suppose they use the "refugee" mode to allow individual athletes to enter the Olympics, but that's really detached from reality, even if these athletes don't actively support the war.
There, I agree. You either lift a ban or you don't but you don't make half-measures. You don't allow people under neutral banner (neutral my behind...) to partake in the Olys but not in international competitions. It's ridiculous. It's over or it's not. In my opinion, Russians should not be allowed to compete anywhere as long as the war isn't over and Ukraine totally freed. There is no use in recommending a ban to partially and arbitrarily lift it when what motivated it in the first place isn't resolved.
 
The ISU ban wasn't tied to doping, but the AIN qualification process was partially tied to it, and there is a special "Focused" anti-doping program, subjecting the nominated and substitute athletes to more tests managed entirely outside Russia and Belarus by non-Russian and non-Belarusian test people and labs. From Communication 2680 (emphasis mine)



When it was first published, there were questions here about whether this meant that anyone training with Valieva would be disqualified as a candidate under part I bolded.

Yes, I am aware of this.
Yet Valieva left team Tutberidze the moment her verdict was announced, so Petrosian has never trained on the same ice with her while Kamila was/is serving a period of ineligibility. I get that it's tricky, but I see the logic in here.
As for supporting personnel, I doubt they have submitted Tutberidze as the main coach (who will anyway go to Milano with Egadze)

But I wonder then how this piece works with regards to Dikidzhi, as there was a positive doping test with one of his coach/rink mates (Nadexhda Ponteleenko is also coached by Oleg Tataurov)?
 
But I wonder then how this piece works with regards to Dikidzhi, as there was a positive doping test with one of his coach/rink mates (Nadexhda Ponteleenko is also coached by Oleg Tataurov)?
Did Dikidzhi train win this person while they were suspended?

“No one can have contact with a person serving a suspension for a doping violation”
 
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It could also be a massive feck you, we won't play by your rules because we don't a knowledge them as valid. Nothing is beyond the pride of the Mother Land :lol: As laughable as it seems, I could really picture something like that.
Kind of half-assed, though, for not doing the same with the Women and Men. Like not making Kondratiuk their Men's nominee.

But I wonder then how this piece works with regards to Dikidzhi, as there was a positive doping test with one of his coach/rink mates (Nadexhda Ponteleenko is also coached by Oleg Tataurov)?
I can only guess, but I think this means continuing to train with banned dopers, since I'm guessing the IOC doesn't want to take on CAS needlessly. Was Ponteleenko banned? Did Ponteleenko continue to train with him after a ban? Is there an outstanding appeal? If it's a Valieva-like situation, ie, she stopped training as soon as there was a definitive ban, the Petrosian was still eligible.
 
I can only guess, but I think this means continuing to train with banned dopers, since I'm guessing the IOC doesn't want to take on CAS needlessly. Was Ponteleenko banned? Did Ponteleenko continue to train with him after a ban? Is there an outstanding appeal? If it's a Valieva-like situation, ie, she stopped training as soon as there was a definitive ban, the Petrosian was still eligible.
I don't think follow up information on the results and actions of the flagged sample ever hit English media, so indeed perhaps it's a situation where she was never banned and/or stopped training shortly thereafter. I believe there was some news she was planning to take time off (shortly before the doping violation) due to health issues, so I suspect it's the latter and she's simply not considered in the training camp currently and not currently concurrent with Dikidzhi.
 
I don't think follow up information on the results and actions of the flagged sample ever hit English media, so indeed perhaps it's a situation where she was never banned and/or stopped training shortly thereafter. I believe there was some news she was planning to take time off (shortly before the doping violation) due to health issues, so I suspect it's the latter and she's simply not considered in the training camp currently and not currently concurrent with Dikidzhi.
It would only matter if she was suspended. She could be training with him every day if she wasn’t! Right now they could be working together on a program and it wouldn’t matter .
 
I cannot. :lol::lol: Now I'm picturing TAT bravely doing this interview from the fainting couch where she collapsed after hearing such awful awful news. :drama:

How dare you be so flippant about the pain and suffering of such a down to earth lady! Why, TAT is the LAST PERSON ON EARTH who would EVER engage in hyperbole!!!

And she DOESN’T WANT TO LIVE!!!! :drama: :drama: :drama:

One could perhaps even say she has death in her soul????
 
I quite like Petrosian. She was my favorite Russian junior the last season I watched the Russian athletes--prior to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. (She was not with Eteri then? I thought she was?)

But as the Russian doping issue has not been dealt with seriously, anything she wins--and I don't know why folks would convince themselves she couldn't win it all--will have no meaning to me and will, at best, have an asterisk attached within my head.
 
I think if the Russian ladies representative wins or even medals, there will be a HUGE asterisk by her name.

I'm shocked they didn't ban all Eteri skaters given Eteri's history with doping and the rules stating those associated with doping will not be allowed... Maybe the skater will be there but not Eteri herself?
 
Again I can't recall so many countries violating the Olympic truce outside of Europe beside South Africa. But that could just be holes in my memory so I'll stand happily corrected.


I linked them last time.

The United States in 2002 - their getting a resolution passed to continue hostilities notwithstanding.

Israel in 2024.
 
Oh and, of course, just to separate this from the previous post, I'll leave this quote from the AP news article - just to forestall the "Russia violated it multiple times! That's why they got banned, the US only did it "once" and therefore there's no "global movement" against them!" in attempts to redefine the words "once" and "global" and "movement" on this forum.


The U.S. has had its own share of apparent violations of the Truce — wars in the Middle East, namely. In 1998, the IOC implored the U.S. not to violate the spirit of the Truce by engaging in military action against Iraq.

But I'm sure Michelle Kwan really needed that gold in 2002.
 
I think if the Russian ladies representative wins or even medals, there will be a HUGE asterisk by her name.

I'm shocked they didn't ban all Eteri skaters given Eteri's history with doping and the rules stating those associated with doping will not be allowed... Maybe the skater will be there but not Eteri herself?
What’s the history? Other than Valieva failing a test? Other coaches in other sports have had multiple students fail multiple tests and nothing has happened to them. Eteri has one failure on her record!
 

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