Russian figure skating news in 2024

[TAHbKA]

Shaidorov is smoking nervously reading the fsu

 

[caseyedwards]

anybody who thinks Malinin (whom I like a great deal) who at this time is the odds on favorite for the OGM has better PCS than Gumennik are delusional. And If Gumennik stays on his feet for 7 quads, he's in the medal hunt right alongside the Japanese and French skaters because it's unlikely all of them (except Malinin) will complete 7 quads in two programs.

Probably Skating first in the sp with no country, judges or reputation how high do you believe he could really get? You believe last group? Penultimate group?

 

[olympic]

anybody who thinks Malinin (whom I like a great deal) who at this time is the odds on favorite for the OGM has better PCS than Gumennik are delusional. And If Gumennik stays on his feet for 7 quads, he's in the medal hunt right alongside the Japanese and French skaters because it's unlikely all of them (except Malinin) will complete 7 quads in two programs.

How does Gummenik have 7 quads BTW? He doesn't have a 4A and he needs a 3A, which would have to be done in a combo w/ a quad to achieve 7 quads (?)

I randomly came across Gummenik's test SP on YT and it was eyebrow-raising to be sure. I personally find the wardrobe changes though to be gimmicky and distracting more than anything else. I personally didn't find it as awesome as the posters on YT did, although it is Olympic final 6 material

And I agree nevertheless that Gummenik in his current state would be a medal threat, especially considering Shaidorov won silver last year, Yuma has lost concentration (let's hope it's temporary) and Adam SHF is never clean lately. And No. I don't think he will catch Ilia.

I think it will be a tough fight if Yuma figures himself out this coming season and gets consistent and land jumps harder than the 4S or 4T, like a 4L or 4F, and Adam SHF gives us his incredibly unique choreo w/ everything from the 4Z on down.

Also, this will be a unique experience watching RUS athletes compete alone in an Olympics after having missed any and all ISU competitions since the last Olympics. I wonder what effect this will have on them and their competitive mindset.

ETA - NM about 7 quads. I see that was the total no. of quads across the competition

 

[caseyedwards]

The record of skaters/teams who missed the Grand Prix in Olympic season is very clear. There isn’t a large selection but enough to show the best and highest ranked teams in the world suffer enormously! You need to be in Grand Prix. You need to be seen by judges. Otherwise you just don’t exist. You need to build to success. You just don’t get it at the Olympics.

All judges totally forgot Delobel Schoenfelder existed after they won worlds but missed Grand Prix. That’s the biggest! That was just crazy. Also Domnina shabalin same season

Yuna Kim lost to miki ando in a non Olympics year.

 

[rfisher]

How does Gummenik have 7 quads BTW? He doesn't have a 4A and he needs a 3A, which would have to be done in a combo w/ a quad to achieve 7 quads (?)

I randomly came across Gummenik's test SP on YT and it was eyebrow-raising to be sure. I personally find the wardrobe changes though to be gimmicky and distracting more than anything else. I personally didn't find it as awesome as the posters on YT did, although it is Olympic final 6 material

And I agree nevertheless that Gummenik in his current state he would be a medal threat, especially considering Shaidorov won silver last year, Yuma has lost concentration (let's hope it's temporary) and Adam SHF is never clean lately. And No. I don't think he will catch Ilia.

I think it will be a tough fight if Yuma figures himself out this coming season and gets consistent and land jumps harder than the 4S or 4T, like a 4L or 4F, and Adam SHF gives us his incredibly unique choreo w/ everything from the 4Z on down.

Also, this will be a unique experience watching RUS athletes compete alone in an Olympics after having missed any and all ISU competitions since the last Olympics. I wonder what effect this will have on them and their competitive mindset.

ETA - NM about 7 quads. I see that was the total no. of quads across the competition

Sp and fs. Not 7 different quads. The only Russian doing a 4a is Dikidzhi

 

[caseyedwards]

Sp and fs. Not 7 different quads. The only Russian doing a 4a is Dikidzhi

His coaches say he is NOT doing 4A. If it’s not going to be a program thing it’s not real

 

[panda42]

I really hope that the medals don't come down to who is doing 7 quads, skating is about so much more than that. Gumennik does seem to be overscored and possibly overhyped, but he could be a podium contender. Adam has been looking shaky, but Yuma's new programs look good so far.

As far as artistry, I don't happen to think that Kevin is the gold standard. His programs are well choreographed and he always gives it his all, so much so that it can come across as OTT and contrived. To me, Jason's movements and expression better fit his programs without seeming excessive.

 

[caseyedwards]

I real hope that the medals don't come down to who is doing 7 quads, skating is about so much more than that. Gummenik does seem to be overscored and possibly overhyped, but he could be a podium contender. Adam has been looking very shaky, but Yuma's new programs look good so far.

As far as artistry, I don't happen to think that Kevin is the gold standard. His programs are well choreographed and he always gives it his all, so much so that it can come across as OTT and contrived. To me, Jason's movements and expression better fit his programs without seeming excessive.

Gummenik may be overscored in Russia but he currently has no scores from international judges and will only be scored once pre Olympics from real judges. It’s difficult to know exactly what those scores will be. Skating first in nebelhorn usually means 4 or 5. If he gets 7 is that over score? With the programs he has certainly. But then that’s it. He can’t compete anymore. He’s still banned from isu competitions . So can never grow from 7.

 

[On My Own]

As far as artistry, I don't happen to think that Kevin is the gold standard. His programs are well choreographed and he always gives it his all, so much so that it can come across as OTT and contrived. To me, Jason's movements and expression better fit his programs without seeming excessive.

Flip that around for me and it fits better. I've always thought Jason was rather mawkish and lacks any sort of range.

 

[Evgeniafan]

Flip that around for me and it fits better. I've always thought Jason was rather mawkish and lacks any sort of range.

I completely agree with you.

 

[On My Own]

He shows more flexibility and range of movement (which would fall under technical aspects IMO), to be sure, but I mean that his attempts to interpret different music haven't really succeeded for me. Aymoz shows better ability to interpret different styles of music for me.

Interpretation doesn't really exist in scores anymore, but Aymoz still does better themed programs, and more interesting transitions, for me.

 

[Evgeniafan]

He shows more flexibility and range of movement (which would fall under technical aspects IMO), to be sure, but I mean that his attempts to interpret different music haven't really succeeded for me. Aymoz shows better ability to interpret different styles of music for me.

Interpretation doesn't really exist in scores anymore, but Aymoz still does better themed programs, and more interesting transitions, for me.

A couple of years ago my husband stated that everyone skates the same. They need more acrobatic moves. I showed him Kevin's gladiator program and he thought it was great. Kevin's choreography is hard and his music interpretation is fantastic.

 

[panda42]

He shows more flexibility and range of movement (which would fall under technical aspects IMO), to be sure, but I mean that his attempts to interpret different music haven't really succeeded for me. Aymoz shows better ability to interpret different styles of music for me.

Interpretation doesn't really exist in scores anymore, but Aymoz still does better themed programs, and more interesting transitions, for me.

I guess that's fair enough, but I get distracted by how "big" and overly emotive Kevin's style appears. I don't see Jason as mawkish and think that he has shown range, but to each his own!

I do agree with you about Jun, he seems to get a lot of attention sometimes mainly for being a pretty boy and wearing nice costumes.

 

[panda42]

Gummenik may be overscored in Russia but he currently has no scores from international judges and will only be scored once pre Olympics from real judges. It’s difficult to know exactly what those scores will be. Skating first in nebelhorn usually means 4 or 5. If he gets 7 is that over score? With the programs he has certainly. But then that’s it. He can’t compete anymore. He’s still banned from isu competitions . So can never grow from 7.

I agree, but his scores seem inflated by current international standards. It will be interesting to see how he does in the season!

 

[On My Own]

I do agree with you about Jun, he seems to get a lot of attention sometimes mainly for being a pretty boy and wearing nice costumes.

He's overrated. Very sloppy mover, rather mediocre choreography, crams that ina bauer into everything, and his jumps even apart from 3A are very flawed but never scored accurately.

Nicely transitions between spin positions, but not always. People like Brown (and Hanyu when he was around) far outclassed him on those.

That 4S praise makes me roll my eyes because you give that same entry to someone else and people would call it stalked, and he breaks at his waist whenever he preps the vault. ALWAYS. And yet it's supposed to be class of the field, somehow.

 

[olympic]

I agree, but his scores seem inflated by current international standards. It will be interesting to see how he does in the season!

He has only competed inside Russia the last 4 years, correct? I think that would lead one to believe that the scores were likely inflated.

 

[panda42]

He's overrated. Very sloppy mover, rather mediocre choreography, crams that ina bauer into everything, and his jumps even apart from 3A are very flawed but never scored accurately.

Nicely transitions between spin positions, but not always. People like Brown (and Hanyu when he was around) far outclassed him on those.

That 4S praise makes more roll my eyes because you give that same entry to someone else and people would call it stalked, and he breaks at his waist whenever he preps the vault. ALWAYS. And yet it's supposed to be class of the field, somehow.

Everything that you said seems accurate, he does appear overrated and not nearly as top notch as his scores and general reputation would indicate. I have wondered why he doesn't get more calls on his jumps, very generous scoring.

 

[caseyedwards]

I agree, but his scores seem inflated by current international standards. It will be interesting to see how he does in the season!

He should be expected to cruise through everything. If Dikidzhi out jumps him in some comps he still may not lose if he will be getting 10’s in pcs and plus 5 on anything he does well.

 

[panda42]

He has only competed inside Russia the last 4 years, correct? I think that would lead one to believe that the scores were likely inflated.

I don't think he has competed outside Russia in recent years. The feedback for his new programs hasn't been great, so he may be in for a rude awakening!

 

[panda42]

He should be expected to cruise through everything. If Dikidzhi out jumps him in some comps he still may not lose if he will be getting 10’s in pcs and plus 5 on anything he does well.

How do you think he will fare with international judges?

 

[Vagabond]

I don't think he has competed outside Russia in recent years.

Of course he hasn't skated outside of Russia in recent years. The I.S.U. banned the Russian Federation from competitions in 2022.

 

[caseyedwards]

How do you think he will fare with international judges?

Not good! There are no Russian judges. He skates first. Last seen since fall 2021. No country. No federation. Banned from talking to anyone. Terrible conditions designed for failure.

 

[panda42]

Of course he hasn't skated outside of Russia in recent years. The I.S.U. banned the Russian Federation from competitions in 2022.

I realize that, but some Russian athletes have managed to compete for (or train in) other countries.

 

[Vagabond]

I realize that, but some Russian athletes have managed to compete for (or train in) other countries.

Russia put the kibosh on skaters' training outside Russia a few years ago. Gummenik is trying to qualify as an Individual Neutral Athlete, an Olympic designation for athletes from Belarus and Russia who are not representing other countries.

 

[Vash01]

I really hope that the medals don't come down to who is doing 7 quads, skating is about so much more than that. Gumennik does seem to be overscored and possibly overhyped, but he could be a podium contender. Adam has been looking shaky, but Yuma's new programs look good so far.

As far as artistry, I don't happen to think that Kevin is the gold standard. His programs are well choreographed and he always gives it his all, so much so that it can come across as OTT and contrived. To me, Jason's movements and expression better fit his programs without seeming excessive.

In men’s skating it has been all about the quads, for a very long time, Nathan Chen had no artistry until years later and even then his was nowhere near the Japanese skaters. Malinin can win with just quads and no artistry. So why should Gummenik or anyone else not win with just quads? I am not saying they are easy but if the skaters land quads And they have reputation their PCS are sky high, regardless of choreography or artistry. Sadly that’s what skating has become.

 

[Ka3sha]

Gumennik is training in St Petersburg, Russia with his long-time coach Victoria Daineko. However, he has also been working online with Rafael Arutyunyan for several years (pre-2022）and spent a few weeks in California this summer

 

[Vash01]

Earlier I used to see Gummenik as the most complete skater among Russian men. He didn’t have the jumps consistency. Neither did Kolyada, who was the best artist there. I see that Petr has worked hard to learn difficult jumps. It will serve him well in the long run, that is if he is allowed to compete internationally. The game is all about jumps before artistry. So I think he may be on the right path. The politics may hurt him though.

 

[caseyedwards]

Earlier I used to see Gummenik as the most complete skater among Russian men. He didn’t have the jumps consistency. Neither did Kolyada, who was the best artist there. I see that Petr has worked hard to learn difficult jumps. It will serve him well in the long run, that is if he is allowed to compete internationally. The game is all about jumps before artistry. So I think he may be on the right path. The politics may hurt him though.

There is absolutely no indication Russia will be allowed to compete again and that means gumennik if he goes to the Olympics wouldn’t be able to compete internationally again until September 2029!

 

[PRlady]

If they’re still pounding the crap out of Ukraine, good.

 

[On My Own]

There is absolutely no indication Russia will be allowed to compete again and that means gumennik if he goes to the Olympics wouldn’t be able to compete internationally again until September 2029!

Oh no, what will he do with all those handkerchiefs now