Papadakis/Cizeron #6 - Season's Over - Let's Get Drunk!

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I don't remember seeing the transcript of their interview in L'Equipe about their retrospective of 2014-2018 here. I have it in french if some people are interested, PM me. If not, here is my translation. I paid attention to respect the spirit of their talking, including the time concordance or the language used. If there are bad worlds, it's not from me ;)


Season 2013-2014 : Not selected for the OG, 13th at Worlds

When Gabriella Papadakis says that the couple, who was then living its first season in seniors, had "the ambition to qualifiy" for Sochi OG, Guillaume Cizeron asks : «oh really ?». What's certain is that seeing it now the couple thinks that it would not have been useless. "It would have give us an experience on which we could rest 4 years later. But the Federation couldn't know that we would have won as early as the next season."

They were 18 and 19 years old, then lived in Lyon and they watch part of the Olympic on TV, while preparing for their first world. «I remember that Meryl and Charlie and Tessa and Scott weren't there, says Papadakis. We didn't know who was going to be on the podium, it ended practically in a draw. We were happy about our places. First world, 13th, it was good.»

Season 2014-2015 : European champions, World champions

The couple followed their coach Romain Haguenauer to Montreal during summer. There, their ambition is quite modest : «We thought a top 10 would be good !», laughs Gabriella Papadakis. However in their first GP in China, they won, and beat the reigning world champions. «The most surprising moment of our career. I was already dumbfounded by our 3rd place in the short. When we won the free, I couldn't believe it.»

They became the youngest european and world champion since 50 years.
«Worlds championship in Shangai were really nuts, tells Guillaume Cizeron. We knew it was maybe possible to win but we didn't really dare dreaming of it, and it happened in an almost easy way. We practiced, we went to competition and then we were winning! Whereas today we tell each other that on this particular competition we have to do that, have to be in front of them, beat this world record...»

Season 2015-2016 : European champions, World champions

Late August, she suffers a concussion : «Right away, we didn't know what it was», reminds us Cizeron. «Everytime I was thinking :"today I have a little headache, tomorrow will be better", and then the day after was the same, describes Papadakis. It was very constant : I wasn't sick enough to truly hurt, but not good enough to skate either. At time I was saying to myself :"well, am I going to stay like this all my life ?".»

They went back to competition in mid december, and weren't on their best condition at the European Championship in late january. «We weren't serene at all, confirms Cizeron. Winning was a bit of a miracle, we weren't in top shape, we didn't have time to compete before.» Even though, says Papadakis , «it didn't restrained us too much eventually. But if it was the Olympic season, it would have penalised us a lot
They didn't skate their program much in competition, but their Build a Home will be presented as an exhibition in the French skating tour.

2016-2017 : European champions, silver at Worlds

Olympic 2010 Champions Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir are back after a 2 years break, and begin to train with them. «Before, there was stress, but it was the first time we had a clear, established rivalry». It was difficult to handle for the french couple, who lost 3 times to the Canadian that season.

«This season wasn't really enjoyable, Cizeron agrees. There were things that happened which never happend before, I cut my hand. We didn't realize the best program, even at the European. Maybe it was a stress that we didn't cope well with. We began working with a mental coach during the season, the setting wasn't as good as it is now. And both program were not what fitted us best. We took risk on the free, (an avant-garde program [L'Equipe says]) we had a hard time making the judge accept it. This wasn't really the good year to do it. Normally, when I look back on what we do, I usually tell myself that we did the right choice. Here, I'm not sure we did.»

The french, who had a meteoric rise at the top world level, felt this season what the lack of experience is. «We were naive a little, it cost us many medals, shares Cizeron. Before, we could tell each other "If we don't have +3 on all element, it's ok". Here, we needed the +3 on everything and we weren't prepared to that kind of strategies.»

Seison 2017-2018 : European Champions, Olympic Silver medalist, world champions

The Olympic season actually starts in march 2017, when Papadakis-Cizeron, without winning the gold medal, won the free with a new world record. «It proved us and everyone that when we skate really well, we can beat them», she says. In the olympic season, the couple work hard not to fail because of lack of experience. «We came to the top with surprise, Papadakis notice, we lacked tools and luggage.» Cizeron adds : «When we compare ourselves with a couple with 2 Olympic medal and who had 2 years to plan their come back, we weren't as ready. They had a fifteen years career, and we had 4 years. When the games began, odds for a win were the same, we were late of 10 years and in 2 years we managed to close the gap! This makes us proud.»

And they're also proud of their Silver medal, despite that costume incident who took precious points from them. «Pride can take over, but you can't think about it too much», she says. «It's boring as hell, adds her partner. But we tell each other that we saved a lot of points, it's life. It will always be a pain in the ass but you can't change things, there are people that are sick, who experiences accident, what we lived is nothing compared to that.»

When we ask them to pick a moment from this season, their favourite goes to Worlds, in Milan, and their third gold, their 3 world record without Virtue/Moir. «It was very cool, everyone was relaxed, a lot of stress gone.»
The perfect endpoint of a memorable olympic season.
 
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Interesting what they said about the 2016-2017 season. They underestimated their stress level and regret taking the risk on the FD...
But I think in the end, all the difficulties of that season brought them a lot.
And it's true that we forget that here is a couple who had very little experience when they arrived at the top, compared to VM who already had a great career. People are tough on PC.
I wonder what would have happened if both teams had started and grown together (i.e at the same time) on the ice.
 
«We came to the top with surprise, Papadakis notice, we lacked tools and luggage.» Cizeron adds : «When we compare ourselves with a couple with 2 Olympic medal and who had 2 years to plan their come back, we weren't as ready. They had a fifteen years career, and we had 4 years. When the games began, odds for a win were the same, we were late of 10 years and in 2 years we managed to close the gap! This makes us proud.»
So true and unfortunately, so often forgotten by people being tough on them. Their progression between 2017 season and this season was as nearly astounding as their 2014 summer progression. Plus, they learnt to be so tough competitors in such a short time. They adapt impressively fast. They should be proud.
 
Just saw some comments here and elsewhere ;) regarding G&G future.

First of all, as Icetigger pointed out, Gaby and Guillaume, though being very young, are mature enough to take stock of their last four seasons in Gadbois and decide how they should move on for the new Olympic cycle.
I guess these 4 last years can be split in two different phases, 2014/15 & 2015/16 seasons on one side, 2016/17 and 2017/18 seasons on the other side.

Regarding the last two seasons, the SD mess in 2016/17 compared to the SD success in 2017/18 deserves to be analyzed and understood. It's now clear Gaby and Guillaume have no problems with SD as some people tried to insinuate based on what happened last season. Those in charge of the choreography and the short program in general in 2016/17 were surprisingly not successful at all. So many changes were added to this SD though out the whole 2016/17 season and I don't feel like it was handled properly and I am not talking about Gaby and Guillaume of course. So, yes, they can deliver the best SD as long as it's choreographed and driven by a talented and professional choreographer. It was therefore mandatory and clever to bring into the loop Chris Dean to choreograph the Olympic SD. I would personally love Chris Dean to choreograph the tango for next season. Chris Dean was the one to suggest Ed Sheeran's music which was a brilliant choice imHo. He also brought up the whole program in a very efficient & professional way. Connection between Chris and Guillaume is just great and one could see how much fun they had to perform this program since the Masters in September... What a contrast with last season's nightmare...

FD wised, they delivered, for the last 4 seasons, programs choreographed by MFD. This season, Jeffrey Cirio was a little bit involved but MFD was still the main choreographer. Would Gaby & Guillaume like MFD to choreograph their next 4 FDs ? Would they rather go with new choreographers? Could they stay in Gadbois and get their next FDs not choreographed by MFD or just partially? How the French fed will be involved in these options and choices? Many questions... In any case Gaby & Guigui are mature enough to take their decisions based on what they want to achieve in terms of new technical and artistic challenges.

As for their friendship with Madi, Zach, Laurence, Nick, Olivia Adrian and others, this is for sure the last argument to decide to stay in Gadbois. Gaby and Guillaume have many friends in the ice dance constellation and in many countries. They are easy going persons and can quickly make new friends everywhere. Wherever they live, they will still be friends with their Gadbois teammates of the last seasons.

I guess you heard Komatsubara/Koleto (Japan) and Hawayek/Baker (USA) will move to Gadbois. I didn't count exactly but it sounds like 20 ice dance couples (roughly) will be coached in Gadbois next season. Is there any benefit for Gaby and Guillaume to prepare the upcoming season within such a dense ice dance group? Could be / Could not be. Once again, it's up to them to decide, especially thinking most of the Gadbois couples, though being great couples, are not at the level of G&G. Should the coaches share their time equitably with all teams, regardless of their technical & artistic level or background? Does it even make sense? These are additional questions to be answered.

Let's see whether they decide to stay in Gadbois (and in such case, what would be the setup/configuration) or they decide to move somewhere else. The only option I won't consider at this point would be a move to Russia, which looks to me just impossible.
 
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In a past interview, Gaby said that the last person she'd go to to talk about the concussion and associated issues was Guillaume. I'm sure the phrasing was for effect so it was a bit of a hyperbole but the point stood that they are like business partners on ice and had separate lives outside of the rink.

After watching this "Build A Home" exhibition, I can't help but think back to that touching moment caught on video where Guillaume is delicately wiping away Gaby's tears soon after their Olympic SD as they're standing in a corner. I wonder if going through this super intense Olympic experience together-- wardrobe malfunction and all-- is going to slowly start deepening their friendship as well.
 
^ Yes, I remember them telling how they can sense each others feelings in very small gestures and can finish each others sentences.

When you are this close with someone, it may actually be the reason why you don’t want the other person to know everything.
 
Just saw some comments here and elsewhere ;) regarding G&G future.

First of all, as Icetigger pointed out, Gaby and Guillaume, though being very young, are mature enough to take stock of their last four seasons in Gadbois and decide how they should move on for the new Olympic cycle.
I guess these 4 last years can be split in two different phases, 2014/15 & 2015/16 seasons on one side, 2016/17 and 2017/18 seasons on the other side.

Regarding the last two seasons, the SD mess in 2016/17 compared to the SD success in 2017/18 deserves to be analyzed and understood. It's now clear Gaby and Guillaume have no problems with SD as some people tried to insinuate based on what happened last season. Those in charge of the choreography and the short program in general in 2016/17 were surprisingly not successful at all. So many changes were added to this SD though out the whole 2016/17 season and I don't feel like it was handled properly and I am not talking about Gaby and Guillaume of course. So, yes, they can deliver the best SD as long as it's choreographed and driven by a talented and professional choreographer. It was therefore mandatory and clever to bring into the loop Chris Dean to choreograph the Olympic SD. I would personally love Chris Dean to choreograph the tango for next season. Chris Dean was the one to suggest Ed Sheeran's music which was a brilliant choice imHo. He also brought up the whole program in a very efficient & professional way. Connection between Chris and Guillaume is just great and one could see how much fun they had to perform this program since the Masters in September... What a contrast with last season's nightmare...

FD wised, they delivered, for the last 4 seasons, programs choreographed by MFD. This season, Jeffrey Cirio was a little bit involved but MFD was still the main choreographer. Would Gaby & Guillaume like MFD to choreograph their next 4 FDs ? Would they rather go with new choreographers? Could they stay in Gadbois and get their next FDs not choreographed by MFD or just partially? How the French fed will be involved in these options and choices? Many questions... In any case Gaby & Guigui are mature enough to take their decisions based on what they want to achieve in terms of new technical and artistic challenges.

As for their friendship with Madi, Zach, Laurence, Nick, Olivia Adrian and others, this is for sure the last argument to decide to stay in Gadbois. Gaby and Guillaume have many friends in the ice dance constellation and in many countries. They are easy going persons and can quickly make new friends everywhere. Wherever they live, they will still be friends with their Gadbois teammates of the last seasons.

I guess you heard Komatsubara/Koleto (Japan) and Hawayek/Baker (USA) will move to Gadbois. I didn't count exactly but it sounds like 20 ice dance couples (roughly) will be coached in Gadbois next season. Is there any benefit for Gaby and Guillaume to prepare the upcoming season within such a dense ice dance group? Could be / Could not be. Once again, it's up to them to decide, especially thinking most of the Gadbois couples, though being great couples, are not at the level of G&G. Should the coaches share their time equitably with all teams, regardless of their technical & artistic level or background? Does it even make sense? These are additional questions to be answered.

Let's see whether they decide to stay in Gadbois (and in such case, what would be the setup/configuration) or they decide to move somewhere else. The only option I won't consider at this point would be a move to Russia, which looks to me just impossible.

For choreo, I'm sure they could stay and have someone else work on their FD. I would think Marie-France would want to be involved, since she'll keep working with them on it throughout the season, but if they wanted to use someone else, I'd expect her to be open to it. She was fine with Dean for the SD, so why not? Tessa and Scott's past two FDs have been done by both her and David Wilson, for example.

There are no more teams than there were last season. Robledo/Fenero retired and Tessa and Scott have moved on, so two new teams makes sense. K/K moving is confirmed. As far as I know, H/B is just a rumour at this point. Marie-France said in the TSL interview filmed some time in early March that they had 17 teams in their school. That was before K/K announced that they were moving and after R/F announced their retirement (but maybe filmed before), so I don't know if it includes them or V/M. And I believe that included the two British teams, who only train there part-time with Romain. I only know of 14, not including H/B. There might be another young Canadian team that we don't know yet, or something. I don't think there are more than 17 for sure.

1. Gabi and Guillaume
2. Madi and Zach
3. Olivia and Adria
4. Laurence and Nikolaj
5. Carolane and Shane
6. Marjorie and Zach
7. Fisher/Mallet-Paquette
8. Fukase/Tateno
9. Komatsubara/Koleto
10. Marie-Jade and Romain
11. Markova/Daze
12. Garabedian/Proulx Senecal
13. Fear/Gibson
14. Fear/Waddell

Anyways, yes the coaches do share their time equally, although they have a couple of coaches who don't seem to work with the top teams (or at least aren't listed on their bios). That's Pascal Denis and Josée Piché, so I expect the top teams get more of Marie-France, Patrice and Romain's time than the younger/lower level teams. I don't think the equal time thing is going to change - it seems to be very important to them, and besides it's worked for everyone so far.

As for having so many teams, they don't seem to have any issues with ice time at Gadbois, which can be a big problem. They have several coaches in the team (MFD, Patch, Romain, Pascal, Josée), Sam who does on and off-ice work on choreo and dance, Ginette Cournoyer who does ballroom training, Catherine Pinard who does acting training... It's not just one or two coaches there, which I'm sure helps a lot.

If Gabi and Guillaume do choose to move on, I'm sure they'll have thought it through a lot. So far, I see no reason to think they will.
 
If Gabi and Guillaume do choose to move on, I'm sure they'll have thought it through a lot.

There are obviously pros and cons for staying or leaving. In any case, what ever decision they take will be carefully considered.

So far, I see no reason to think they will.

Hummm... You know, what happened during the last two years seemed a bit special and sometimes really weird... Once again, they have to take stock of both 2016/17 and 2017/18 seasons and the result of their refections will tell them whether there's a fundamental reason to leave or not.
 
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Oh well. The news about them taking a longer vacation and a possibility of missing the 1/2 of the new season.. not very optimistic as we're really entering 'the drought'. But I guess I shouldn't be so selfish and let the two have a long and deserved break. :lol:

Viscaro You're right, MS is a special free dance and some of the new rules don't sound very good. But I wouldn't be so pessimistic now. I think G&G will always find a way of presenting what they like. :)
I think this a huge mistake for them. Other teams will gain the favour of the international judging panels... They like to see hard-working skaters. They must be a very arrogant team to think that they don't have to get back to work when the other teams do!!! Unless, they haven't decided if they want to continue....
 
I think this a huge mistake for them. Other teams will gain the favour of the international judging panels... They like to see hard-working skaters. They must be a very arrogant team to think that they don't have to get back to work when the other teams do!!! Unless, they haven't decided if they want to continue....

First, Gaby & Guillaume are anything but arrogant.
Second, they are hard workers and have always been.
Third, this story of missing the first half of the new season is a totally unfounded rumor.
Fourth, reaching conclusion such as "they must be a very arrogant team" based on rumors sounds quite surprising, that's the least I can say.
 
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Where did this “missing 1/2 the season” rumour start, anyway? Because I see no evidence of it anywhere.
 
Hummm... You know, what happened during the last two years seemed a bit special and sometimes really weird... Once again, they have to take stock of both 2016/17 and 2017/18 seasons and the result of their refections will tell them whether there's a fundamental reason to leave or not.

I read an account (by Patrice Lauzon) of what actually happened two years ago. I am sorry but I can't recall where I read it. It starts right after Sochi, when V/M are unhappy with their training with Marina. He and MF had promised them that they could come and train at Gadbois to prepare for the next OG, should they choose to come back. They didn't have a clue at the time that Gabriella and Guillaume would come to Montreal and be propelled after just a year there to the top of Ice Dance. Patrice realized that they were in a bit of a pickle when V/M decided to go for it. He said that he was a man of his word and didn't want to renege on his promise. He concluded that the two years had been extremely stressful but that they did their best for both teams.
I believe him. It had to be an extremely uncomfortable situation with both feds watching them like hawks!
I also feel that they have true affection for G/G. They have the perfect structure and backbone to nurture and challenge their skaters. Choreography can always be imported from the outside, but frankly, MF's vision for P/C was spot on this first quad. I would trust her to listen to them but also steer them in interesting directions.
 
Looking back at their achievements now their first quad as senior is over, their record is the most impressive since I don't even know. I went back to when T/D started to win so 1981 to check the medal count in reference to the competitors' age. It looks like they are the youngest team to have garnered so many accomplishments. At 22 and 23 years old: 4 consecutive Europeans titles, 3 World Titles, a GPF gold and a silver at Olympics :kickass: Plus a truck load of world records in the process, being the first to break the 200 pts barrier probably the most symbolic. No wonder queen Aljona loves them ;) Also, what more would they have accomplished if they were not so lazy and arrogant, the nerves of those young people to indulge in slightly longer vacations after such a lackluster quad :saint:
 
I think this a huge mistake for them. Other teams will gain the favour of the international judging panels... They like to see hard-working skaters. They must be a very arrogant team to think that they don't have to get back to work when the other teams do!!! Unless, they haven't decided if they want to continue....

Them missing the GP season is just a rumour. But even if they actually do it, I don't get how you can call this arrogant!? They are tired and want to take a break, it has nothing to do with snobbing the competition. I'm amazed by the number of people who try to label them with those "arrogant""snobbish""lack of sportmanship" tags. I'm not talking just about you, but also other comments we see sometimes.. I wonder what did they actually do to deserve such false accusations.

This need to bring them down is a shame.
 
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Looking back at their achievements now their first quad as senior is over, their record is the most impressive since I don't even know. I went back to when T/D started to win so 1981 to check the medal count in reference to the competitors' age. It looks like they are the youngest team to have garnered so many accomplishments. At 22 and 23 years old: 4 consecutive Europeans titles, 3 World Titles, a GPF gold and a silver at Olympics :kickass: Plus a truck load of world records in the process, being the first to break the 200 pts barrier probably the most symbolic. No wonder queen Aljona loves them ;) Also, what more would they have accomplished if they were not so lazy and arrogant, the nerves of those young people to indulge in slightly longer vacations after such a lackluster quad :saint:

I make the same analysis as you, but I also remember that T/D worked up until 80ish as a clerk and a policeman. So it's not quite a fair comparison.

It's worth pointing out that V/M have won only six senior global level competitions (GPF, Worlds, Olympics), whilst D/W have won eight, and Gabby and Guillaume have won four. I hope that in the next four years with nine different global competitions on offer, they can beat both those totals.

If they want to take the GP season off, I wouldn't blame them. But this next year is a time to get a headstart on a new method and approach to what they do. See how it goes, consolidate your approach for the next four years and then maybe take the GP season off next year. However, I think they understand that part of what you do as a competitor is have an informal contract with the ISU: you support their events as much as possible because you believe in the sport and its value. They didn't have to do Europeans and Worlds this year, but they did; and the sense that they did them because they see the sport as being something you support as a competitor, rather than it being a case that you just turn up for the medals that you really want and not bother otherwise, is something I think came across, and is the opposite of arrogance.
 
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