No-Longer-Prince Andrew

[attyfan]

I petition to rename this thread "The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Andrew."

I was thinking, "The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince" as a suggestion.

 

[canbelto]

I was thinking, "The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince" as a suggestion.

I like that too!

 

[MsZem]

I read that William is considering ousting Beatrice & Eugenia from the family. Sins of the father..... William comes off (to me) to be a petty & jealous person.

It's Eugenie. William has no power to remove anyone from the line of succession and they're not working royals and never have been. So I'm not sure what such a move would entail exactly - no Christmas at Sandringham?

The princesses seem to be decent people despite their parents' behavior, but this would be an understandable move - for PR reasons at the very least. They're human and didn't cut off their father as soon as they might have, and sadly that does reflect on them.

I was thinking, "The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince" as a suggestion.

This is better. Andrew was never an artist, only a creep.

 

[Jenny]

I read that William is considering ousting Beatrice & Eugenia from the family. Sins of the father..... William comes off (to me) to be a petty & jealous person. It's like he can't stand for any other family member to get more attention than he &/or Kate. Their family is so small now that they could use the cousins for appearances whenever they are in the UK. But no...... If William is that strait-laced he needs to look at his own father who publically committed adultery for years & had a somewhat checked past in other ways.

And where exactly did you read this nonsense that has given you yet another reason to trash William and the King?

 

[MsZem]

And where exactly did you read this nonsense that has given you yet another reason to trash William and the King?

I thought it was random social media garbage too, but a search revealed loads of reports from the last few days. The story appears to have originated from that bastion of fine journalism, the Daily Mail.

 

[Vagabond]

I was thinking, "The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince" as a suggestion.

That was the replacement title I suggested to @SHARPIE , but she had other ideas.

 

[Jenny]

I thought it was random social media garbage too, but a search revealed loads of reports from the last few days. The story appears to have originated from that bastion of fine journalism, the Daily Mail.

Thanks, and you're right, all the stories say "as reported in the Daily Mail," which (again) quotes Richard Fitzwilliams, who styles himself as a royal expert but has no actual connections that I can see.

At this point any of us here on this thread are about as qualified as he is to comment on the Royal Family!

 

[Winnipeg]

The whole thing is so bad but I am glad to hear that at least the UK is investigating the matter.

I can't even imagine how a mother could introduce her daughters to a sex offender but then we are talking Fergie who has never, IMHO, shown any sense, propriety, intelligence, tact etc the list could go on..........she is a flake and always has been but maybe flake is too nice a word.

Notwithstanding, the girls could have declined the invite?

 

[Karen-W]

There is plenty of reporting out there that indicates William is keenly aware of the impact of being seen with or publicly associating with anyone who has brought dishonor to the monarchy. Before these last two rounds of revelations about Andrew (in Oct/Nov and now), it seemed like he was inclined to have Eugenie & Beatrice acting in a similar support role capacity as Peter and Zara/Mike - showing up at the Garden Parties to mix & mingle - possibly a bit more for a few years until George, Charlotte & Louis were old enough to step into a more public role.

After the Oct/Nov revelations, the reports I was reading & hearing regarding Bea & Eug were that he wanted a thorough investigation of their finances & bank accounts to ensure there wasn't anything questionable - not so much because he believed they were necessarily complicit but because he didn't trust Andrew & Sarah to not have used & convinced their daughters that these sort of things were all perfectly normal, fine & legal. Who knows what came of that or whether their views have changed on doing a thorough investigation of everything their parents ever told them was a-okay and fine.

They were both still fairly young - early 20s if not younger - when Sarah & Andrew were having them escort business partners of Epstein around Buckingham Palace. Given the close relationship they've always had with their parents, I can cut them a degree of slack for going along with those requests or not necessarily realizing just how sketchy these financial transactions were. What needs to be known now is at what point did they become aware enough to put an end to all that?

That's the real issue for both Beatrice & Eugenie. Just how recent is their exposure & intentional was their involvement with whatever shady or illegal shenanigans their parents got themselves up to? At this point in time, there just isn't enough information to know the answers to those questions and until those answers are known, they cannot be involved with the public duties of the monarchy because the public does have every right to ask those uncomfortable questions. And if they don't want to open their own records & finances up to investigation by either King Charles or the Prince of Wales, then the only option is to sideline them entirely.

That's not the same as cutting them out of the family - and I haven't read or seen any reliable reporting that indicates either Charles or William want to do anything so drastic, but there are ways of managing public optics even at private, family gatherings, that would exclude Bea & Eug from the public eye and we may see that play out in coming months.

 

[taf2002]

I'm confused. William isn't King so why would he have this power?

He has been campaigning to oust both Andrew & Harry from the family so apparently he has or thinks he has the power. King Charles keeps saying no so far. (about Harry)

Thanks, and you're right, all the stories say "as reported in the Daily Mail," which (again) quotes Richard Fitzwilliams, who styles himself as a royal expert but has no actual connections that I can see.

At this point any of us here on this thread are about as qualified as he is to comment on the Royal Family!

In that case why do you keep attacking what I post? I'm as qualified as anyone. Why don't you just read or don't read what I say & just move on?

 

[MsZem]

He has been campaigning to oust both Andrew & Harry from the family so apparently he has or thinks he has the power. King Charles keeps saying no so far. (about Harry)

He certainly wan't wrong in advocating that.

As for Harry - says who? QE2 and Charles told Harry he couldn't have it both ways back when he and Meghan stepped away from the BRF. William is not making decisions about armed security. He is allowed to have opinions and share them with his father.

(not that Harry's situation is relevant here; he's neither a criminal nor, to the best of my knowledge, a creep)

 

[overedge]

The whole thing is so bad but I am glad to hear that at least the UK is investigating the matter.

I can't even imagine how a mother could introduce her daughters to a sex offender but then we are talking Fergie who has never, IMHO, shown any sense, propriety, intelligence, tact etc the list could go on..........she is a flake and always has been but maybe flake is too nice a word.

Notwithstanding, the girls could have declined the invite?

I think the word you're looking for is "grifter". Epstein gave her free trips, accommodation, networking, etc, and she accepted all of it without asking any questions.

If you were a tween and one of your parents invited you along on a free trip to a luxury house on a private tropical island, you probably wouldn't say no. And with Fergie's grifting ways, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some pressure from her for them to go, e.g "Oh, this is Mummy's friend, he's a lovely man, he will be hurt if you don't come along, and it will be such a treat for all of us to have some time together" and the like.

 

[Winnipeg]

Good points.