No-Longer-Prince Andrew

[Private Citizen]

Today there is this headline:

Government ‘warmly welcomes’ move to make Andrew an ‘ordinary member of the public’ – UK politics live

Chris Bryant also suggests Andrew should comply with any US Senate requests to travel to America to face questions about the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein

www.theguardian.com

"Government ‘warmly welcomes’ move to make Andrew an ‘ordinary member of the public’ – UK politics live"

Which to me is more indicative of those in government wanting Andrew 100% out then "what William wants, William gets"

I agree. Not just those in government, but those in politics - including opposition parties - were all supportive of this. Sentiment is overwhemingly against Andrew. A small faction of online commentors iin the conservative press are running with things like "harsh punishment," "unproven allegations," "not appropriate," but those comments are getting downvoted as much as they are upvoted. The public mood is clear.

Like others, I do wonder if there's more to come and if the King knows something we don't. This is a mic drop moment that several press outlets are calling "unprecedented." King Charles has been bolder on other issues, like climate change and interfaith relations, but I'm not sure anyone would have bet on this.

On the flip side I do think, or rather wouldn't be surprised, if in the future we get a slimmed down more European style of royalty. And in that situation the American wing could well lose their prince/ss in the same way the Danish queen stripped half of her grandchildren of royal titles. But I think Charles will clearly leave that for William to do.

I wonder if they'll approach it from a residency / domicile issue. To me, a UK prince / princess should live in the UK. Those who acquire permanent residence (possibly), citizenship by naturalisation (for sure), or domicile (15 out of 20 years) in another country should lose the title. Approaching it as a rule change, albeit one targeted toward the Sussexes, versus a one-off seems reasonable to me.

 

[Jenny]

I agree that this timing is about overwhelming public pressure to take a stand and do something decisive, and in the long run, protect the integrity of the family and the monarchy. Charles has spent his entire life preparing to be King, so I expect that he has a lot of ideas around what he wants to achieve, his own legacy and what he wants to pass on to his son and heir - and dealing with Andrew ain't any of that.

William likely did have a lot of say in this - but not in pressuring or bossing around daddy, but in the very heavy burden of stewarding the future of both the family and the monarchy, likely sooner than later. I think it makes sense that the two would be working together very closely on not just this issue, but on absolutely everything, and I'll further say that I think both Camilla and Kate are trusted advisors to both of them.

 

[Parsley Sage]

He has been removed from the Roll of the Peerage

https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/images/downloads/Roll_of_the_Peerage.pdf

 

[attyfan]

Apparently, neither his place in the succession nor his eligibility to serve as a counsellor of state are affected:

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor remains in the line of succession

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, brother of King Charles, retains his place in the line of succession despite losing all his titles.

royalcentral.co.uk

 

[marbri]

Apparently, neither his place in the succession nor his eligibility to serve as a counsellor of state are affected:

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor remains in the line of succession

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, brother of King Charles, retains his place in the line of succession despite losing all his titles.

royalcentral.co.uk

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is in line to the throne as a descendant of Queen Elizabeth II. An Act of Parliament would be required to remove him and it would also have to be agreed by all the other Commonwealth realms where Charles III is King.
His eligibility to be a Counsellor of State comes from his place in the succession.
The consort and the first four adults in the line of succession can be Counsellors of State – at the moment that is Queen Camilla, the Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Princess Beatrice.

In 8 years Charlotte will bump him off the list if an Act of Parliament and agreement of the Commonwealth doesn't happen first.

 

[Karen-W]

Apparently, neither his place in the succession nor his eligibility to serve as a counsellor of state are affected:

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor remains in the line of succession

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, brother of King Charles, retains his place in the line of succession despite losing all his titles.

royalcentral.co.uk

That would be correct. Removing him from the LOS would require not just an Act of Parliament in Westminster, but it would also require acts from the rest of the Commonwealth Realms, similar to what occurred when equal primogeniture was enacted prior to Prince George's birth in 2013. Same applies to the CoS as that status is determined by the Regency Act - though it seems more likely that could be revised and pushed through Parliament and the Commonwealth Realms more easily should King Charles pass away before Prince George is 18.

The Regency Act stipulates that Counsellor of State are the first 4 adults in the LOS over the age of 18 except for the direct heir apparent, who must be over the age of 18 as well as the monarch's spouse. Andrew will only be a CoS until Charlotte turns 21 in another 10.5 years; and Harry will only be a CoS until Louis is 21 in another 13.5 years. It may be, especially with Anne & Edward included as extra CoS due to Andrew's disgrace and Harry not living in the UK at this time, that the thought process is to leave well enough alone as, in due time, both Andrew & Harry will cease to be Counsellors of State.

 

[Karen-W]

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is in line to the throne as a descendant of Queen Elizabeth II. An Act of Parliament would be required to remove him and it would also have to be agreed by all the other Commonwealth realms where Charles III is King.
His eligibility to be a Counsellor of State comes from his place in the succession.
The consort and the first four adults in the line of succession can be Counsellors of State – at the moment that is Queen Camilla, the Prince of Wales, Prince Harry, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and Princess Beatrice.

In 8 years Charlotte will bump him off the list if an Act of Parliament and agreement of the Commonwealth doesn't happen first.

No, Charlotte won't bump him off until she turns 21. Only the direct heir (Prince George) becomes a Counsellor of State at age 18. All others become one at 21. So, Charlotte bumps Andrew out in May 2036 and Louis bumps Harry out in April 2039.

 

[puglover]

I really feel for King Charles. I also feel concern for Princess Beatrice who seems to get thinner and thinner.

 

[kwanfan1818]

What I saw on the actual news when it was first announced that Andrew would no longer USE his royal titles was that there were those in GOVERNMENT who didn't think it went far enough, that they felt he should be stripped of his titles.

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is in line to the throne as a descendant of Queen Elizabeth II. An Act of Parliament would be required to remove him and it would also have to be agreed by all the other Commonwealth realms where Charles III is King.

Then they can put their money where their mouth is to show us the former.

King Charles’ actions have cleared the path.

 

[skategal]

Here’s some “more information” we were all expecting to drop.

Andrew had 40 prostitutes brought into five-star Thai hotel within four days

Andrew Lownie said that the former Duke of York had the prostitutes taken to his room while on a visit to Thailand for the king's birthday at the taxpayer's expense.

metro.co.uk

 

[Vagabond]

Dude could renounce his right of succession and should do so now.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Quelle surprise.

 

[skategal]

Quelle surprise.

We knew it had to be bad when the Monarchy made the move it just did.

 

[kwanfan1818]

It's almost certainly just the tip of the iceberg, too.

 

[Vagabond]

Andrew had 40 prostitutes brought into five-star Thai hotel within four days

Andrew Lownie said that the former Duke of York had the prostitutes taken to his room while on a visit to Thailand for the king's birthday at the taxpayer's expense.

metro.co.uk

However, according to Mr Lownie, who charted Andrew’s life as a royal in his book, the King, then Prince Charles, advised then PM Tony Blair against hiring his brother over concerns he would only ‘chase women and play golf’

A wise man, the King.

Tony Blair? Not so much.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Especially given how much Tony Blair sucked up to QE II, who didn't care what her middle son did.

I've always wondered what Princess Anne thinks of all of this.

 

[taf2002]

Furthermore, the Sussexes honored Tyler Perry as one of Lilibet's godparents. If you follow celebrity gossip & news in any way, you'll know that Tyler Perry has a lot of ugly rumors surrounding him.

I have never seen a whisper of ugly rumors about him. Most stories are about how kind he is. Can you elaborate?

I don't think it really matters about the Line of Succession. Andrew is too far removed to ever become king.

 

[Karen-W]

I have never seen a whisper of ugly rumors about him. Most stories are about how kind he is. Can you elaborate?

I don't think it really matters about the Line of Succession. Andrew is too far removed to ever become king.

Ugly rumors about Tyler Perry? I've seen & heard a range going from horrible/terrible boss bordering on tyrant to predelictions of the Harvey Weinstein/Sean Combs variety.

 

[Jenny]

I have never seen a whisper of ugly rumors about him. Most stories are about how kind he is. Can you elaborate?

Try googling "Derek Dixon."