Nebelhorn Trophy - Women's SP & FS

Jarrett said:
The +1s on Amber's axel are criminal lol
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I mean, I’m trying to look at this and see why she lost a level on spins and foot work but a plus one on her triple axel that I have not seen since the days of Midori Ito? I mean come on now.

And Amber has the most control on the landing of a triple Axel I have ever seen, and a good transition out of it.

And the American judge gave Amber the lowest GOE of any judge for her first spin. Hmm
 
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Couldn't get away from work today but just popping in right quick to say thank you to everyone for PBP! ✨🙏🏼✨ I can't wait to read them all! Looks like our US girls are both doing great so far! Can't wait to watch all the performances! 💖
 
Upon reaching Jia (on a screen bigger than my phone this time), I can see why the judges went so high on the GOE today. Those were some exceptionally high quality jumps. I still think the PCS is a little high, but you cannot deny that it is a well constructed and well skated program. Really well done.
 
Jia's jumps are HUGE, but quite frankly I found the rest robotic like most of the Korean ladiezzz. Zero emotion and then an occasional "oh, I should smile" randomly.

I concur that Amber GOE on the 3A is too low. However, giving up points on the spins and steps doesn't help.

Mule kick aside, Isabeau has gotten a bit more height in her jumps. My problem with the program is it doesn't really draw me in. It honestly needs a level of camp to pull this retro music off, because just being cutesy makes it come off a bit junior. :slinkaway
 
peibeck said:
Jia's jumps are HUGE, but quite frankly I found the rest robotic like most of the Korean ladiezzz. Zero emotion and then an occasional "oh, I should smile" randomly.

I concur that Amber GOE on the 3A is too low. However, giving up points on the spins and steps doesn't help.

Mule kick aside, Isabeau has gotten a bit more height in her jumps. My problem with the program is it doesn't really draw me in. It honestly needs a level of camp to pull this retro music off, because just being cutesy makes it come off a bit junior. :slinkaway
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Interesting I don’t find Jia's jumps huge, and her combination come to a halt.

I’ve watched 10 times now and I’ve never understood why does Amber lose on spins and foot work? I think hers are as good as everyone’s.

And I thought Isabeau skated with more speed than ever, and had more height on her jumps than ever.
 
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
I’ve watched 10 times now and I’ve never understood why does Amber lose on spins and foot work? I think hers are as good as everyone’s.
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I think she didn't hold the change of edge on the camel spin position long enough (i.e. for enough full rotations) to get a level 4, or it wasn't considered a clear change of edge.

Someone with better TES savvy than me can tell us for sure though.
 
Jammers said:
Isabeau has really worked on her speed and she has such nice flow when she skates and the jumps even look a bit bigger. Back when she was a Junior she was really slow even compared to other Junior skaters she competed against. The jumps look stable and i can't see her not making the Olympic team.
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Her improvements are quite noticeable.
 
Start orders/results for Women FS: http://www.deu-event.de/results/Nebelhorn_2025/CSGER2025/SEG004.htm
Detailed time schedule for FS: http://www.deu-event.de/results/Neb...----------FNL-000100--_StartListwithTimes.pdf
Paid live stream: https://sporteurope.tv/deutsche-eislauf-union/isu-cs-nebelhorn-trophy-2025-saturday-27-09-2025

Start Order
Warm-Up Group 1
1 Oona OUNASVUORI FIN 17 34.79
2 Nela SNEBERGEROVA CZE 16 38.91
3 Selma VALITALO FIN 15 41.93
4 Anna Elizabeth GREKUL GER 14 42.87
5 Livia KAISER SUI 13 43.82

Ice resurfacing

Warm-Up Group 2
6 Linnea KILSAND NOR 12 46.13
7 Hana YOSHIDA JPN 11 51.78
8 Olga MIKUTINA AUT 10 53.13
9 Katherine MEDLAND SPENCE CAN 9 54.16
10 Iida KARHUNEN FIN 8 54.50
11 Julia SAUTER ROU 7 54.75


Warm-Up Group 3
12 Lea SERNA FRA 6 63.88
13 Kaiya RUITER CAN 5 64.46
14 Mone CHIBA JPN 4 69.24
15 Isabeau LEVITO USA 3 71.10
16 Amber GLENN USA 2 73.69
17 Jia SHIN KOR 1 74.47
 
I've only just started watching some of the videos.

I call horse poo poo 💩 on the GOE on Amber's HUGE 3A in the SP! I'm not understanding the level 3s on her spin combos and SS either! 🤔 Maybe the butterfly before one of the spins was a little low? Other than that, I don't get it. Anyways, don't want to jinx but her SP is giving out total Olympian vibes! I love it, I love her hairstyle and her dress is STUNNING! Same with Isabeau's dress, it's gorgeous! I still prefer her Breakfast At Tiffany's SP from last year, but I'm sure that this one will grow on me. I agree with everyone who has said that her jumps look bigger, a big improvement on her speed! That compensates some for the unfortunate technique going into her jumps.. Jia's SP looked excellent but otherwise it was sort of 🤷🏼‍♀️ for me. Imo, I think that Amber should have been in first after the SP.

On to read the FS threads! I've been trying not to get spoiled all day lol! Thanks again everyone for PBP! ✨🙏🏼✨💖✨
 
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Sasha'sSpins said:
I call horse poo poo 💩 on the GOE on Amber's HUGE 3A in the SP! I'm not understanding the level 3s on her spin combos and SS either! 🤔 Maybe the butterfly before one of the spins was a little low? Other than that, I don't get it
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Welcome to the club, I’ve dissected that short program 20 times since yesterday and I can’t figure it out.

And I’ll also be watching German and Netherlands judges carefully tomorrow. Shadyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
 
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL) said:
Welcome to the club, I’ve dissected that short program 20 times since yesterday and I can’t figure it out.

And I’ll also be watching German and Netherlands judges carefully tomorrow. Shadyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
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Yes! I took a quick look at the protocols, those are the two judges that gave me pause! 🤔 I'm hoping that it's nothing political against US athletes. I had Amber at at least 75+ even with the stepout! In these uncertain days I can't help but feel a little paranoid. Although, going a little OT, I was somewhat heartened by Adeliia Petrosian's GOE at the Olympic Qualification event. Both she and Petr Gumennik deserved to win but for the most part their GOES respectively weren't too crazy out there as in the past sometimes (particularly for the Russian girls).

Can't wait for the FS tomorrow! Once again, I can't get away from work all weekend in order to watch live, and on top of that I'm taking care of my nephew's baby girl too! Busy busy busy! 💖 But I'll be popping in when I can for the FS updates! Don't want to jinx but I'm feeling really good about Amber and Isabeau's chances! ✨❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥✨⛸️⛸️✨
 
Ambers 3A: 8+ seconds of breaking choreography and the program to do back crossovers and look in the direction of where she was going to jump. Landing didn't have much of a running edge; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if her team added the three-turn/spread eagle transition to get her a little momentum and cover it up a bit. That 'long preparation' is a required -1 to -3 subtraction from whatever score she was going to get, and honestly... the jump prep doesn't get a whole lot longer than that. We can go into 'she's a woman doing a 3A, it's so rare' and all of that, but those are the rules.

The +4 is preposterous to me, the +3 is probably generous.

Now, before someone has a meltdown over the judges not doing it for this or that other skater-- I'm well-aware that high GOE's are thrown out to bigger names for lesser jump quality all the time. In fact, +1's for the loop?
 
tony said:
Ambers 3A: 8+ seconds of breaking choreography and the program to do back crossovers and look in the direction of where she was going to jump. Landing didn't have much of a running edge; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if her team added the three-turn/spread eagle transition to get her a little momentum and cover it up a bit. That 'long preparation' is a required -1 to -3 subtraction from whatever score she was going to get, and honestly... the jump prep doesn't get a whole lot longer than that. We can go into 'she's a woman doing a 3A, it's so rare' and all of that, but those are the rules.

The +4 is preposterous to me, the +3 is probably generous.

Now, before someone has a meltdown over the judges not doing it for this or that other skater-- I'm well-aware that high GOE's are thrown out to bigger names for lesser jump quality all the time. In fact, +1's for the loop?
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With all that... so you agree the +1 was ridiculous? lol
 
The trumpets for the final day of competition are sounding.

Up first the Women FS: http://www.deu-event.de/results/Nebelhorn_2025/CSGER2025/SEG004.htm


PANEL OF JUDGES
Referee Mr. Christian BAUMANN ISU
Technical Controller Ms. Elisabetta BIGNARDI ISU
Technical Specialist Mr. Sandor GALAMBOS ISU
Technical Specialist Ms. Monika WAGNER-KUTINOVA ISU

Judge No.1 Ms. Erica TOPOLSKI CAN
Judge No.2 Ms. Alice WALDER SUI
Judge No.3 Mr. Tomas JANECKO CZE
Judge No.4 Ms. Gloria MORANDI ITA
Judge No.5 Ms. Pia ALHONEN FIN
Judge No.6 Ms. Angelika ULLM GER
Judge No.7 Ms. Ernestien BAKKER NED

Data Operator Ms. Anett PÖTZSCH ISU
Replay Operator Ms. Kirsten STEPRATH ISU
 
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The final skater in Group 1, Livia KAISER SUI, has withdrawn "due to medical reasons"

Ice resurfacing underway before Group 2 of 3.

Current FS results:
1 Nela SNEBERGEROVA CZE 83.75 42.50 41.25 5.25 5.00 5.20 0.00 #2
2 Selma VALITALO FIN 80.76 37.17 44.59 5.70 5.55 5.45 1.00 #3
3 Anna Elizabeth GREKUL GER 74.24 34.19 42.05 5.05 5.00 5.70 2.00 #4
4 Oona OUNASVUORI FIN 64.66 26.34 38.32 4.90 4.65 4.80 0.00 #1

Current overall results:
1 Selma VALITALO FIN 122.69 15 2
2 Nela SNEBERGEROVA CZE 122.66 16 1
3 Anna Elizabeth GREKUL GER 117.11 14 3
4 Oona OUNASVUORI FIN 99.45 17 4
Livia KAISER SUI 43.82 13 WD
 
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