Mental Health in Ladies' Skating

Most of those involved in the sport do actually understand how difficult it is. That is why they are involved and appreciate what the skaters do. Many coaches have been competitors themselves so they understand what it takes to get to the higher levels. Same goes for officials and judges.

I'd have to respectfully disagree. I'm not sure what your experience is in the sport (not saying this in a combative way, I just literally don't know), but in my 15+ year experience as a high level, competitive skater, I have not found an overwhelming majority of judges and/or officials to be understanding or appreciative. Also, outside of the tech panel, a LOT of judges and officials were NOT involved in skating at a high level. In fact, it is not a requirement for a judge to have EVER stepped on the ice, in the U.S., anyway. There is a fast track program for those that were high level skaters, but you can literally have not skated a day in your life, and work your way up the judging program to become a high level national and international judge.

Coaches... well... that's a whole other story. There are, needless to say, wonderful, supportive and appreciative coaches out there. But, there are horrible ones as well, and a lot of them. Regardless of if they were high levels skaters themselves or not.
 
I would put out that kind of blanket statement. Perhaps in US it is true but it isn't in many other countries. In Canada for instance there are minimum test requirements and if you look at National, International and even some Sectional level judges,most did compete at a high level
 
I would put out that kind of blanket statement. Perhaps in US it is true but it isn't in many other countries. In Canada for instance there are minimum test requirements and if you look at National, International and even some Sectional level judges,most did compete at a high level
In Canada you actually need to be quite proficient on the ice to judge
 
In Canada you actually need to be quite proficient on the ice to judge
Skate Canada will also seek out skaters they think would be good judges and really try to get them going in the field (in the late days of CFSA/early days of Skate Canada they did so with me). I didn't enjoy it so stopped judging after a couple of years, where they had me going all over Ontario to judge.
 
Sasha Cohen posted this on her IG yesterday: https://www.instagram.com/p/BpX4ztOFCZy/?hl=en&taken-by=sashacohennyc
I’m in awe of the power created when a small group of people (Olympians in this case) get together and share the fears, thoughts of suicide and utter loneliness that constituted much of our time spent preparing for the Olympic Games. We are part of a bigger movement to remove the stigma society has placed on mental health which can only be stripped away once when we’re willing to be vulnerable and change the narrative. A huge thank you to Michael Phelps for speaking out about his own issues and creating a platform for other athletes to connect and share their stories. Also - get ready to be blown away when @brettrapkin releases his documentary #TheWeightofGold. And thank you to @nytimes and @talkspace for hosting!!!#thingsarechanging #mentalhealthawareness
ETA photo of the panel onstage: https://twitter.com/ElizabethLMFT/status/1055563856792244224
 
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In fact, it is not a requirement for a judge to have EVER stepped on the ice, in the U.S., anyway.
There is no written requirement. But such judges rarely get very high up in the system unless they are very, very good. Even judges who have skating experience often don't get past judging tests and club comps (i.e., they don't get to judge at Regionals or above) unless they skated at a high level.

So there is an unwritten rule...
 
I'd have to respectfully disagree. I'm not sure what your experience is in the sport (not saying this in a combative way, I just literally don't know), but in my 15+ year experience as a high level, competitive skater, I have not found an overwhelming majority of judges and/or officials to be understanding or appreciative. Also, outside of the tech panel, a LOT of judges and officials were NOT involved in skating at a high level. In fact, it is not a requirement for a judge to have EVER stepped on the ice, in the U.S., anyway. There is a fast track program for those that were high level skaters, but you can literally have not skated a day in your life, and work your way up the judging program to become a high level national and international judge.

Coaches... well... that's a whole other story. There are, needless to say, wonderful, supportive and appreciative coaches out there. But, there are horrible ones as well, and a lot of them. Regardless of if they were high levels skaters themselves or not.
I am actually an adult skater but a senior level judge in Australia. Unfortunately I cannot go international because I am past the age limit. But not being a high level skater doesn't mean that I am not a good judge either.

Probably because I am an adult skater, I actually have a different appreciation of the sport than maybe someone who had a competitive skating career and do understand how hard it is because everything I learnt as a skater didn't come easy.
 
I would put out that kind of blanket statement. Perhaps in US it is true but it isn't in many other countries. In Canada for instance there are minimum test requirements and if you look at National, International and even some Sectional level judges,most did compete at a high level

Canada has th good, the bad, and ugly as the saying goes. I have met judges who are judging dances they have never tested themselves, I have met judges who call the jumps on a competitive test incorrectly, and i have met wonderful, caring, highly skilled judges. Like with anything else in life, 50% are the bottom half of the class (and 50%, of course, are in the top.)
 
Canada has th good, the bad, and ugly as the saying goes. I have met judges who are judging dances they have never tested themselves, I have met judges who call the jumps on a competitive test incorrectly, and i have met wonderful, caring, highly skilled judges. Like with anything else in life, 50% are the bottom half of the class (and 50%, of course, are in the top.)
I’m not talking about evaluators , I’m talking about competitive judges in Canada. There are no competitive tests in Canada either.
 
Canada has th good, the bad, and ugly as the saying goes. I have met judges who are judging dances they have never tested themselves, I have met judges who call the jumps on a competitive test incorrectly, and i have met wonderful, caring, highly skilled judges. Like with anything else in life, 50% are the bottom half of the class (and 50%, of course, are in the top.)

I think some personal skating experience is important, but I'm not convinced you need to have passed high-level ice dance tests to be a good judge of high-level ice dances. Anyone who's sat through many loooooong ice-dance test days can acquire a pretty good eye for the more common problems in the higher-level dances, even if they can't do those dances themselves.

Also IMO some judges who have passed high-level ice dance tests are not very sympathetic to lower-level ice dancers. Basic skills like correct timing, the right pattern/steps, and expression are really important at all levels of ice dance, but the lower-level dancers are not going to be as fast or as accurate as the higher-level dancers. I think some judges expect too much at the lower levels, and that can be really discouraging to skaters who are trying to progress and improve.
 
I’m not talking about evaluators , I’m talking about competitive judges in Canada. There are no competitive tests in Canada either.

There were competitive test in Canada and more than one of those judges are still judging at at least the Sectional level. One may judge a Challenge.
 
Kudos to CTV/TSN for not shying away from addressing the reasons for Gabby's absence at Skate Canada, including a clip from her, and for bringing up how important it is to take care of mental health.

I agree, but I am a little troubled by the focus on the skater fixing themselves and not so much on the toxic environments that can contribute to skaters developing mental health problems. Obviously the skater has to take care of himself or herself, but it shouldn't be their job alone. I know that many of the federations now have campaigns about safe sport and about speaking up when you see something wrong, but IMO there needs to be more substantive actions to address the negative aspects of skating culture (e.g. judges telling skaters to lose weight).
 
There is no written requirement. But such judges rarely get very high up in the system unless they are very, very good. Even judges who have skating experience often don't get past judging tests and club comps (i.e., they don't get to judge at Regionals or above) unless they skated at a high level.

So there is an unwritten rule...

I agree that there is an unwritten rule, and I certainly wasn't suggesting that most judges have no skating experience. But I would also argue that there is a pretty fair amount of high level judges who have never competed in the sport or skated at anything past a recreational level, if that. Several national (U.S.), and international judges come to mind.
 
I am actually an adult skater but a senior level judge in Australia. Unfortunately I cannot go international because I am past the age limit. But not being a high level skater doesn't mean that I am not a good judge either.

Probably because I am an adult skater, I actually have a different appreciation of the sport than maybe someone who had a competitive skating career and do understand how hard it is because everything I learnt as a skater didn't come easy.

Not suggesting that people who weren't high level competitive figure skaters can't make good judges. Just pointing out some facts.

I have a lot of respect for adult skaters, as I agree, skating is much harder to learn as an adult. But I hope you aren't suggesting that figure skating comes easy to younger skaters?
 
Not suggesting that people who weren't high level competitive figure skaters can't make good judges. Just pointing out some facts.

I have a lot of respect for adult skaters, as I agree, skating is much harder to learn as an adult. But I hope you aren't suggesting that figure skating comes easy to younger skaters?
The main difference between adults and kids learning to skate is the kids don't have as far to fall.

As for suggesting, well if you are going to raise the issue about people who are lower level skaters becoming judges, then it does come across that it is an issue for yourself. Just my perception.

It depends on the individual and their personal attributes on whether they have the ability to become a good judge, coach or otherwise. Some lower level skaters can make great coaches. Some high level skaters not so much.

At the end of the day we can all have our purpose in the sport. I believe that while I could never become a great skater, it led me to becoming a judge. And all the time I spent being involved in the administration side of the sport I have used in my day to day work skills and it has helped me with my career.
 
I was watching Dr. Ramani Durvasula, speaking on a series about Anxiety disorder.
For those who are curious on the subject, check her out because she is very good at explaining things in a very simple way: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3.

To make a summary, anxiety disorder affects 40 million adults in the U.S., making it the most common mental health condition. It's highly treatable, yet only one-third of those suffering actually receive treatment.

They are speaking about US in this case, but I reckon it's the same (common condition) everywhere, which easily gets dismissed.

She also says that in all the clients coming in with depression, a substance use issue, relationship problems, school problems, you name it. In all of these patterns, anxiety becomes a core issue.
There is not a single mental illness out there for which anxiety is not a key piece.
The only one where it's not, is psychopathy, apparently. Because a person who is a psychopath feels no anxiety.

People don't know "how much is too much to worry". How much is when the worry crosses the line, because it's not that cut-and-dried, and it varies from person to person, depending where are you in life.

So, for example, if the person is already going through a difficult time, it may take a smaller threshold of a problem to push them into relatively paralytic anxiety. Plus, individual differences and how we manage to cope with it, are a factor too.

The third part in particular is very interesting, where she explains the causes of each type, whether is culture, our biology, demographics, psychological, our environment and the social influences.

She says is a mix of all, but she puts a lot of weight on the psychological side - which she calls misreading/misintrepreting things and situations - as well as the environment and social influences.
She also says, that it's not unusual for people who have eating disorders to also be very, very anxious.

So a lot of anxiety comes from a lot of negative self-talk, that just sort of accumulates over time. Perfectionism is highly correlated with anxiety. The idea that unless it's perfect I can't do it, and what that does is that people often don't deliver because of that, which creates more anxiety.

Also people having very very unusually, almost unrealistically high standards, is a major contributor to anxiety and in modern time this is a big problem. Being told they have to be perfect, have perfect career, the perfect body, perfect house etc. The sense of not measuring up to a certain expectation or bar, that's a huge contributor anxiety.

I think athletes in general, especially some like figure skaters and gymnasts, and women in particular, are at high risk, when it comes to perfectionism, high standarts and social influences. Just like in art, actresses would be more under pressure to preserve certain image, perfectionism, like beauty and "youth".
 
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I think Natalia Mishkutionok said she suffered from depression while competing with Artur Dmitriev. She also struggled with weight which is odd because I've seen videos of her in recent years and she is remarkably trim and young-looking.
 
Susan Humphreys was another one. She had an eating disorder and struggled with her mental health. It culminated in 1997 after she had to withdraw after the short program at Worlds then failed to qualify Canada a berth for the Ladies.
 
Daleman's latest post on her IG: https://www.instagram.com/p/Br61OSejW1Z/
Having both anxiety and depression sucks. Especially with my sport it makes things a million times harder! With anxiety, you over think things so much to the point where you can’t handle it anymore. And you end up pushing people away especially the ones closet to you, And with depression, you then isolate yourself from everyone and everything because you don’t wanna talk to anyone & just wanna be alone. And cry All the time because of how crappy you feel, there are days where I can’t get out of bed or I’ll lash out at people for no reason cause I can’t control my own emotions because I don’t even understand what’s going on with me. the worst part is it’s different everyday and for everyone so no one knows or can understand how you feel, it Flipping sucks!!!! on top of all this yes I have ADHD and an eating disorder, I have trouble everyday with shaming myself and not seeing my true beauty on the outside or inside. Im still terrified to tell my story and will never tell the whole thing but if me speaking out a little of what I’m going through helps at least one person then it’s worth facing my fears.
 
Considering that physiologically, depression is (arguably) more common in women than men leads me to think that other forms of disordered thinking are as well. (I say "arguably" because depression exhibits itself differently in men, more often going to anger, so it is possibly underdiagnosed). Not only are there hormonal differences at play, but there are different triggers to our neurons and responses.
 
I feel badly for Gabi as her post sounds really bad. She needs to seek professional help asap if she has not done so already.

She is listed as competing at Nationals next month...........figure skating competition would not be great for a person suffering from anxiety...........
 
While I feel terrible for Gabby, kudos to her for speaking out about it. I'm sure there are people who couldn't imagine that someone so talented, articulate and beautiful could suffer from anxiety and depression. To so many people, she'd seem to have it all. How courageous to speak out and help make people aware that anyone can suffer from these illnesses and issues. She has a lot of fans, including many girls and young women. What an inspirational role model she can be for people worried about seeking help. I've always liked her as a skater, but I have even more respect for her now as a person.
 
Wow. Gabby. I hope she prioritizes her mental health and doesn't put pressure on herself to compete this year. Based on that post I wouldn't expect to see her at nationals and probably not beyond that.

I suspect one of the learnings here is to make mental health management a proactive part of your training from early on, especially if you plan to become elite or otherwise end up in the spotlight. Just like off ice training, nutrition, recovery, etc it should be part and parcel of what you do. And for those already doing this, make sure you're getting the most out of that form of conditioning.

I would assume that means something like engaging a sports psychologist early in your career....even if you don't think you need it. Proactively maintain instead of waiting for something to break, and then try to fix it. Clearly with what we've seen, these things are a journey to fix.
 
Wow. Gabby. I hope she prioritizes her mental health and doesn't put pressure on herself to compete this year. Based on that post I wouldn't expect to see her at nationals and probably not beyond that.
She already said she was going to Nationals.
 

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