Love, Balls and Courting: Tennis V

[allezfred]

So any updates on the final. Am stuck in the middle of nowhere and Serena got penalises a game?

 

[oleada]

So any updates on the final. Am stuck in the middle of nowhere and Serena got penalises a game?

I know! WTF happened.

 

[allezfred]

for Naomi Osaka on winning Japan’s first Grand Slam title!

Why is it Serena always seems to lose her head at the US Open?

 

[skipaway]

So any updates on the final. Am stuck in the middle of nowhere and Serena got penalises a game?

So, she got a coaching violation for a warning. Her coach was making motions with his hands telling her to go to net. Interviewed after the match he readily copped to it and said everyone does it.
Then she threw her racket and got a point penalty.
Her 3rd violation was the game penalty after she had a “discussion” with the chair ump. Called him a thief.

 

[peibeck]

for Naomi Osaka on winning Japan’s first Grand Slam title!

Why is it Serena always seems to lose her head at the US Open?

Osaka deserved her win, but quite frankly the referee's calls were absolutely outrageous except for the second warning when Serena broke her racket.

The game penalty was utterly stupid. As she told the referees, male players redress the umpires far worse and far more often with no penalty at all. IMO Serena should have just quit at that time.

 

[Bellanca]

Congratulations to Naomi Osaka!

 

[peibeck]

Both Serena and Naomi are speaking beautifully at the award ceremony. I'm sure the press conference will be more interesting, however.

 

[alexikeguchi]

Osaka deserved her win, but quite frankly the referee's calls were absolutely outrageous except for the second warning when Serena broke her racket.

The game penalty was utterly stupid. As she told the referees, male players redress the umpires far worse and far more often with no penalty at all. IMO Serena should have just quit at that time.

I agree with everything except for Serena quitting. Poor Naomi already looks despondent in what should be a joyous moment, and I think she would have felt even worse if Serena walked off the court. Both players were class in receiving their trophies; it's too bad the officials weren't up to the same level.

 

[quartz]

Whoa, holy DRAMA - just catching up with the match which I had on delay - I still love Serena, but Naomi is my new fave!

 

[allezfred]

Reading reports that there was a lot of booing at the award ceremony? Osaka in tears and Serena having to tell the crowd to shut it.

https://twitter.com/amyohconnor/status/1038547585462673408?s=21

 

[peibeck]

I agree with everything except for Serena quitting. Poor Naomi already looks despondent in what should be a joyous moment, and I think she would have felt even worse if Serena walked off the court. Both players were class in receiving their trophies; it's too bad the officials weren't up to the same level.

I would have packed my bags, walked off the court and not returned for the award ceremony. Then I promptly would have told the USFS/WTA that I would not return to that competition if that umpire was calling again at the Open, and they could decide who puts more butts in the seats. But I'm just that way. So luckily Serena is more classy than I am.

 

[tony]

So basically all three calls were correct, but the first one is rarely to absolutely never called at all for anyone else. You have Serena’s coach even admitting that he did it but she says she didn’t see it and he says that he doesn’t even know if she saw it. I guess it’s similar to edge and underrotation calls in skating- skater A is never called for the blatant stuff and skater B is always losing 20 points of TES for the same thing. Serena could be made the example, but I don’t know that picking the biggest name in the sport at one of the marquee matches of the entire season was the place to start or try to explain your call if it was a non-issue before.

Feel awful for Osaka now, but her popularity is going to skyrocket in the next few weeks not only because of the win but because of the way she is handling herself.

ETA- I know Serena’s history of outbursts (most notably the foot foul and walking towards the line judge and threatening her and then going back on all of it when the line judge tattled), so that probably didn’t help.

 

[oleada]

Reading reports that there was a lot of booing at the award ceremony? Osaka in tears and Serena having to tell the crowd to shut it.

https://twitter.com/amyohconnor/status/1038547585462673408?s=21

There was booing - husband and I both heard it - it was really unfortunate.

 

[hydro]

So basically all three calls were correct, but the first one is rarely to absolutely never called at all for anyone else. You have Serena’s coach even admitting that he did it but she says she didn’t see it and he says that he doesn’t even know if she saw it. I guess it’s similar to edge and underrotation calls in skating- skater A is never called for the blatant stuff and skater B is always losing 20 points of TES for the same thing. Serena could be made the example, but I don’t know that picking the biggest name in the sport at one of the marquee matches of the entire season was the place to start or try to explain your call if it was a non-issue before.

It’s weird how the rules are always applied to Serena when other people get away with so much worst. I was at the Sloane match, and her coach was literally telling her where to hit her serves and returns, and no violations. It happened during the entire match.

The first code violation should have never happened. Ramos inserted himself into the match. Then the third violation was an absolute a travesty. She didn’t curse, she didn’t smash anything else, she called him out on what she perceived as an injustice only to be given one of the worst calls in tennis history. I’ll be shocked if Ramos umpires again, that was a gross injustice of his authority.

It’s such a shame that Ramos ruined the moment for both Serena and Naomi. Naomi played an amazing tournament and deserved to win this championship without his input. Her tennis was superb to everyone, and her clutch serving on break points rivals Serena. I adore Naomi, and I hope she can win more slams.

 

[allezfred]

There was booing - husband and I both heard it - it was really unfortunate.

Booing during an award ceremony is just low class and takes away from what should a moment for the athletes.

 

[peibeck]

Booing during an award ceremony is just low class and takes away from what should a moment for the athletes.

It was absolutely unfortunate, but it was not directed at Osaka. The crowd throughout the match was, in general, quite generous to Osaka and her quality, superior level of play today. The audiences have absolutely fallen in love with her these past two weeks during her honest, funny, and personable interviews.

 

[allezfred]

It was absolutely unfortunate, but it was not directed at Osaka.

Be that as it may, it took away from her moment as if she was only victorious due to poor umpiring. It is low class behaviour.

 

[peibeck]

Be that as it may, it took away from her moment as if she was only victorious due to poor umpiring. It is low class behaviour.

Which is why Serena told the crowd to STFU with the booing. Granted the crowd should have been gracious from the start, but.... it is NYC.

 

[sk8pics]

Serena has never been my favorite, but I thought she was very classy in the way she treated Osaka and especially telling the audience to cool it.

I have not been following tennis so I have no idea how widespread the "illegal" coaching is. But first Serena said she doesn't cheat (and I believe that she is not a cheater) and they would never do that, and then her coach quite readily admits doing it. If she is serious about that, she should let her coach know and then they don't have to take such a chance in a big match. And then she not only threw her racket, but it broke. So those first two violations are really on her and her coach. They were saying on TV that Serena may not have known the rules, but she is a professional and she should know those rules, so she doesn't put herself over the edge.

I too felt the umpire was over the top with the last violation, and especially in this match and at that stage of the match. But it does seem like she went on ranting at him for quite some time. I don't know how much verbal abuse of the umpires is going on these days so I don't know if it was really singling her out or not.

Could the tournament referee have overruled the umpire? Perhaps not. That would have been a mess too. The whole thing was a mess, and it was within Serena's control to not have it be a mess. All it would have taken was her not breaking her racket. I think Osaka was going to win, but you never know... Serena should kick herself for her loss of control.

 

[thvu]

I have not been following tennis so I have no idea how widespread the "illegal" coaching is.

It’s so bad, it might as well not be a rule. The problem wasn’t that Patrick was “coaching,” but that the rule is rarely enforced, and therefore just selectively enforced. I’m sure Ramos has umpired many Henin matches, and never called her out for being blatantly coached. It was a complete joke.

 

[mollymgr]

Congrats to Naomi Osaka! She played extremely well under so much pressure, drama and distractions.I hope we see more of her. I was impressed with her with all her matches at this open. She is so cute in interviews too.

It is unfortunate that her record-breaking victory for Japanese tennis at the 2018 US Open was tarnished greatly by all the things that happened. I don't like gamesmanship in tennis, when it is mainly used to distract or intimidate other players. For example, smashing a racket. Those things are not that easy to smash. This is especially disappointing since Serena is GOAT. This disruption could have easily broken another player mentally to start losing every point. But Naomi kept her cool and aced her way through the remaining match. I was sad that Naomi was made to feel like she didn't deserve it. She defeated Serena in straight sets in Miami 6-3, 6-2 earlier this year. It definitely wasn't a coincidence.

 

[WillyElliot]

Not just Henin, but Sharapova!!! She was never called on it when her father was obviously sending signals. I am of the opinion that Osaka was playing so well that she would have won it, but this BS needs to stop. Just in this tournament it started off with a female player getting a violation for quickly changing her shirt for all of five seconds, yet Novak sits there for several minutes with his shirt OFF showing off his emaciated body? How blatantly sexist is that? As for the coaching, Serena didn't even notice her coach and all he was saying was MOVE IN, go to the NET!! Is that coaching? She's won 23 slams and never has been "coached", why the hell would they call her on this in a CHAMPIONSHIP match??? So bizarre. Happy for Osaka for the win, but sorry she had to win this way.

 

[Fan123]

It’s weird how the rules are always applied to Serena when other people get away with so much worst. I was at the Sloane match, and her coach was literally telling her where to hit her serves and returns, and no violations. It happened during the entire match.

I respectfully disagree. I think it’s unfair to compare Sloane’s match to this match; too many different variables. Plus, umpires judge what’s in front of them, not what happened in previous matches. It’s lame when players justify their actions based on others.

The first code violation should have never happened. Ramos inserted himself into the match.

It was the right call. Serena is innocent in this one, it’s her coach’s fault for the hand signals. As a veteran coach, he should know better. Serena does not need to acknowledge the hand signals. I suspect there will be drama when both meet up.

Then the third violation was an absolute a travesty. She didn’t curse, she didn’t smash anything else, she called him out on what she perceived as an injustice only to be given one of the worst calls in tennis history. I’ll be shocked if Ramos umpires again, that was a gross injustice of his authority.

Serena should have let things go; did she not learn anything from the “I’ll shove it down your throat!” match? Her emotions got the best of her again. Calling the umpire a thief is accusatory, and the tone was over the top…the constant outburst at the chair was unnecessary. Big sister Venus is never like that. Ramos has an outstanding record.

Anyway, Osaka deserves the win; she was the better player at this tournament anyway. Serena’s serve let her down today. Her head to head vs Serena is 2-0 now, so this is really not a surprise.

 

[Vash01]

I didnt watch the match. I was out all day but planned ob watching it on my DVR. Now I won't. I am heart broken for Serena. Biased umpires should be forced out.

 

[mollymgr]

It was funny when Pam Shriver interviewed Serena's coach, he said he coaches all the time during matches and never gets violations. He even admitted doing so during this match. Serena says in her press conference that she never gets any coaching and she will have to clarify what he's talking about. I foresee an end to that contract coming soon.

 

[thvu]

I respectfully disagree. I think it’s unfair to compare Sloane’s match to this match; too many different variables. Plus, umpires judge what’s in front of them, not what happened in previous matches. It’s lame when players justify their actions based on others.

I think it's unfair to look at what happened in isolation. This has been a rampant issue for over a decade. What happened today was a symptom of a greater disease when it comes to tennis officiating. The rules are continuously inconsistently and selectively enforced. It's not just bad officiating, but a bad standard of officiating that players and fans shouldn't stand for.

Ramos had an outstanding record, but now it's one that shows clear inconsistencies.

 

[WillyElliot]

It was funny when Pam Shriver interviewed Serena's coach, he said he coaches all the time and never gets violations. He even admitted doing so during this event. Serena says in her press conference that she never gets any coaching and she will have to clarify what he's talking about. I foresee an end to that contract coming soon.

Yeah, I was like "For heaven's sake, don't ADMIT to it!!!" As if after twenty two years as a pro she hasn't learned to adjust during a match... Just an awful event.

 

[Fan123]

I think it's unfair to look at what happened in isolation. This has been a rampant issue for over a decade. What happened today was a symptom of a greater disease when it comes to tennis officiating. The rules are continuously inconsistently and selectively enforced. It's not just bad officiating, but a bad standard of officiating that players and fans shouldn't stand for.

Ramos had an outstanding record, but now it's one that shows clear inconsistencies.

There will also be perceived inconsistencies in any sport that is judged by humans. I don't think Ramos was being biased or had any ill will toward Serena. He was reacting to what was in front of him; he can't account for what other umpires did or didn't do in other matches. If we don't want the 1st code violation at all, then simply don't do any hand signals, period. Serena's coach took the gamble, and got caught. If Ramos made a bad call, the 2 tournament officials above him would have reversed his decision.

 

[hydro]

I respectfully disagree. I think it’s unfair to compare Sloane’s match to this match; too many different variables. Plus, umpires judge what’s in front of them, not what happened in previous matches. It’s lame when players justify their actions based on others.

It was the right call. Serena is innocent in this one, it’s her coach’s fault for the hand signals. As a veteran coach, he should know better. Serena does not need to acknowledge the hand signals. I suspect there will be drama when both meet up.

Serena should have let things go; did she not learn anything from the “I’ll shove it down your throat!” match? Her emotions got the best of her again. Calling the umpire a thief is accusatory, and the tone was over the top…the constant outburst at the chair was unnecessary. Big sister Venus is never like that. Ramos has an outstanding record.

Anyway, Osaka deserves the win; she was the better player at this tournament anyway. Serena’s serve let her down today. Her head to head vs Serena is 2-0 now, so this is really not a surprise.

It’s weird in one paragraph you say not to compare matches, and the next paragraph that’s exactly what you do.

Much like the rules applied by Ramos, you’re nothing but inconsistent.

Watch any Nadal march chaired by Ramos, Nadal just get instructions point by point, and he says nothing. Ramos should never have inserted himself into the match, he fail as an impartial authority. Serena has every right to call him out on that, and she shouldn’t get penalized for it. Ridiculous to put that in Serena’s shoulder, she had every right to be upset about being unfairly treated. Let me guess, you hate NFL players who respectfully kneel as well

 

[thvu]

There will also be perceived inconsistencies in any sport that is judged by humans. I don't think Ramos was being biased or had any ill will toward Serena. He was reacting to what was in front of him; he can't account for what other umpires did or didn't do in other matches. If we don't want the 1st code violation at all, then simply don't do any hand signals, period. Serena's coach took the gamble, and got caught. If Ramos made a bad call, the 2 tournament officials above him would have reversed his decision.

Again, you're looking at something in isolation. Ramos himself selectively enforces rules. That you fail to see the inconsistencies of not just him, but of officiating in tennis in general shows to me that you're starting with your conclusion first, and filling in the details later. Coaches have been doing this for decades. Ramos has umpired matches where coaches were blatantly telling players what to do and he did not call violations. To claim otherwise, or that Ramos was ignorant in these matches would itself be a willingly ignorant assertion.