Kolyada Withdrawn from Olympics, Replaced by Semenenko

[Karen-W]

They can claim false positive all they want but they still have to test once they are off the plane in China. What’s their plan for that?

As well as every day they're in Beijing.

Maybe they are asymptomatic, and I don't suppose it will affect any of their women should they test positive except the one slated to take part in the TE, if they can test out of isolation before the Women’s competition begins.

But it's crazy to think that nearly half of the team has, in all likelihood, been in close contact with at least one C19 positive person in the last week (Semenenko, Valieva, Trusova, Shcherbakova, TarMor, plus DavSmo didn't come back to Michigan between Euros and the departure for Krasnoyarsk)

 

[vesperholly]

Newsflash: NY and Florida are not comparable as states. Florida does not have the population density that NY has. NYC alone is enough to drive the rates higher because of how many people live here in a small very dense area.

Not to turn this into a c.vid thread, but population density causing more c.vid cases has been disproven.

Density is Not the Problem: COVID-19 and Cities

September marks six months since New York City imposed it’s PAUSE restrictions which encouraged people to stay indoors as much as possible and forced many offices, stores, and restaurants to close. Six months later, New York City, like the rest of the world, is transformed. Still the question...

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Density & COVID-19 in NYC Report - CHPC New York

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In a new report, CHPC finds that residential population density is not a key determinant of the impacts of COVID-19.

• Many other global cities that are as dense as NYC, such as Seoul, South Korea, report exponentially fewer cases and deaths.
• Manhattan is by far the densest borough, yet has the lowest case rate in the city.

 

[Mayra]

Good to know the population density of Moscow hasn't increased the chance of Gleikhengauz being actually positive and infecting Valieva in the process.

I'm going to be holding my breath until I see everyone on Olympic ice.

 

[Jammers]

Well....if the Russians can sub athlete's urine with wrong sex/ and or animal urine and get away with it......should be pretty easy for their brilliant diabolical scientists to have developed let us say a capsule to take 24 hrs b4 a test which makes you seem negative. Easy peasy.......

Welly anything to make dear leader Putin proud you know?

 

[barbarafan]

Welly anything to make dear leader Putin proud you know?

Who says the athletes even know. Team doctor could be giving it daily with a handfull of vitamins. To make them stronger and help them jump higher.

 

[ChelleC]

The sheer hubris of this situation is astonishing. How can they possibly know the tests are false positives at this point? Which I honestly doubt they are. They're risking the entire Olympic team for the head of the federation and a choreographer. I can't shake my head enough at it.

 

[skatfan]

Newsflash: NY and Florida are not comparable as states. Florida does not have the population density that NY has. NYC alone is enough to drive the rates higher because of how many people live here in a small very dense area.

Florida’s stats are also very suspect these days. I’m guessing they aren’t reporting all cases anymore.

 

[BittyBug]

In the U.S., nobody is reporting all cases anymore, if only because so many people go no further than at home tests, which aren't reported.

 

[olympic]

Good to know the population density of Moscow hasn't increased the chance of Gleikhengauz being actually positive and infecting Valieva in the process.

I'm going to be holding my breath until I see everyone on Olympic ice.

Yes. The other shoe is dropping and I am not surprised. I wonder who is next?

 

[jiejie]

The sheer hubris of this situation is astonishing. How can they possibly know the tests are false positives at this point? Which I honestly doubt they are. They're risking the entire Olympic team for the head of the federation and a choreographer. I can't shake my head enough at it.

Sure seems that way. Furthermore, if the Chinese go strictly by the official Playbook for athletes, close contacts of anyone testing positive will have some pretty onerous additional monitoring, which could include quarantine and restrictions/prohibitions on training and practice. That would affect at least all of Team Eteri skaters and coaches.

Big question is: Will the Chinese cave in on this? For any other Federation, I'd say No, they will adhere strictly to the regulations and processes described in the Playbook. But I would not be surprised (angered, but not surprised) if they make "special dispensations" for the Russians and let them do what they want, regardless of COVID test status. This would also put athletes, coaches, and officials from other federations at risk.

 

[Karen-W]

Sure seems that way. Furthermore, if the Chinese go strictly by the official Playbook for athletes, close contacts of anyone testing positive will have some pretty onerous additional monitoring, which could include quarantine and restrictions/prohibitions on training and practice. That would affect at least all of Team Eteri skaters and coaches.

Big question is: Will the Chinese cave in on this? For any other Federation, I'd say No, they will adhere strictly to the regulations and processes described in the Playbook. But I would not be surprised (angered, but not surprised) if they make "special dispensations" for the Russians and let them do what they want, regardless of ********* test status. This would also put athletes, coaches, and officials from other federations at risk.

I'm not sure they will. They'd open themselves up to far more criticism if they did so than they would by adhering to the playbook. But, you have to weigh in the Putin-Xi factor.

If anything, I'd say that maybe you see ONE of the Russian women and maybe TarMor bumped as a show. That way Russia can slide Tuk in and still preserve their likely sweep in Women, and China gets rid of one of the best Pairs teams (albeit, the ones most likely to crumble under the pressure because, let's face it, TarMor are always nervy as heck at the biggest comps each season).

 

[soogar]

I'm not sure they will. They'd open themselves up to far more criticism if they did so than they would by adhering to the playbook. But, you have to weigh in the Putin-Xi factor.

If anything, I'd say that maybe you see ONE of the Russian women and maybe TarMor bumped as a show. That way Russia can slide Tuk in and still preserve their likely sweep in Women, and China gets rid of one of the best Pairs teams (albeit, the ones most likely to crumble under the pressure because, let's face it, TarMor are always nervy as heck at the biggest comps each season).

Morozov looked pretty diligent with his mask in the euros kiss and cry and he had also had Covid. He kept pulling it up.

I don’t think they could break up the women. They are all minors and unvaccinated. Plus they train together. Craziness would be if they all caught it and then who would be Russia 2 and 3? And would they be able to get them to China in time.

 

[olympic]

It seems like CHN would not be that interested in pleasing RUS, politically speaking. They are charting their own course in the world that is neither tethered to RUS or Western interests

 

[Vash01]

I'm not sure they will. They'd open themselves up to far more criticism if they did so than they would by adhering to the playbook. But, you have to weigh in the Putin-Xi factor.

If anything, I'd say that maybe you see ONE of the Russian women and maybe TarMor bumped as a show. That way Russia can slide Tuk in and still preserve their likely sweep in Women, and China gets rid of one of the best Pairs teams (albeit, the ones most likely to crumble under the pressure because, let's face it, TarMor are always nervy as heck at the biggest comps each season).

You are hoping that T/M will test positive and they will be sent back? You have a very sick mind.

 

[ChelleC]

You are hoping that T/M will test positive and they will be sent back? You have a very sick mind.

Absolutely nothing in Karen W's post shows she is hoping for T/M to test positive and be sent back.

 

[Vash01]

Absolutely nothing in Karen W's post shows she is hoping for T/M to test positive and be sent back.

It is implied. Otherwise why would she specifically name Them, but no one else?

 

[ChelleC]

It is implied.

No it is not.

 

[Vash01]

No it is not.

I am not going to engage in your silliness.

 

[Dobre]

It seems like CHN would not be that interested in pleasing RUS, politically speaking. They are charting their own course in the world that is neither tethered to RUS or Western interests

Meh. They're like Shpilband & Zhulin. Their priorities are totally their own interests, but they would have no problem teaming up to overthrow Papadakis & Cizeron before betraying one another in the interest of their own self advancement.

 

[tony]

I am not going to engage in your silliness.

Vash, perhaps you need to re-read what was said and stop with your own silliness

 

[SidelineSkater]

It is implied. Otherwise why would she specifically name Them, but no one else?

Because T/M train in the TT camp and if one of the women get it, they would potentially be the pair team to also get it.

I don’t think anyone wants anyone else to get it - at this point FS fans should be crossing fingers and toes all the athletes are as safe and healthy as possible.

 

[ChelleC]

It is implied. Otherwise why would she specifically name Them, but no one else?

What other Olympic bound pair team trains with the Sambo 70 staff?

 

[ballettmaus]

They can claim false positive all they want but they still have to test once they are off the plane in China. What’s their plan for that?

My thoughts exactly. They can say it's a false positive but China would still deny them entry with a positive test.

If they claim it's a false positive, does that mean that they're currently training and congregating with the other skaters?

 

[Vash01]

Because T/M train in the TT camp and if one of the women get it, they would potentially be the pair team to also get it.

I don’t think anyone wants anyone else to get it - at this point FS fans should be crossing fingers and toes all the athletes are as safe and healthy as possible.

I thought the people who have been in Krasnoyarsk were more susceptible for the lack of a real bubble there.

Why isn't anyone concerned about Moskvina's pairs who were already in Krasnoyarsk?

I believe T/M will know how to protect themselves if someone in their group is sick. They have gone through hell due to sicknesses. I am sure they are taking care, as much as they can. Besides they don't practice alongside the women, as per my understanding.

Anybody can get sick at any time, so it is better that people stop mentioning any names as possible drop outs unless it really happens to someone. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

[karmena]

My thoughts exactly. They can say it's a false positive but China would still deny them entry with a positive test.

If they claim it's a false positive, does that mean that they're currently training and congregating with the other skaters?

Ha! China will do whatever Russians want. Its different world and morals, dear Westerner.

 

[aka_gerbil]

My thoughts exactly. They can say it's a false positive but China would still deny them entry with a positive test.

If they claim it's a false positive, does that mean that they're currently training and congregating with the other skaters?

It’s Danil G and Kogan, so there’s zero reason for them to be near any of the skaters or make that trip.

 

[misskarne]

Ha! China will do whatever Russians want. Its different world and morals, dear Westerner.

I do not think so. I think Russia have vastly underestimated China here. This Games is supposed to be China's shining jewel: "look at us! We hosted a marvellous Olympic Games and we did not have to postpone and it was perfectly successful even in the middle of a panini". They're not going to let that be ruined just because Russia thinks the rule doesn't apply to them. And China aren't going to bend over for Russia, why should they? They don't care if Russia gets pissy at them, they don't care if anyone gets pissy at them.

I think Russia is about to get a bit of a surprise if their intent is to try and force China into letting them break the rules.

 

[hanca]

Well....if the Russians can sub athlete's urine with wrong sex/ and or animal urine and get away with it......should be pretty easy for their brilliant diabolical scientists to have developed let us say a capsule to take 24 hrs b4 a test which makes you seem negative. Easy peasy.......

If it was so easy, why bother inventing a capsule which may make test seem negative? They may as well invent a capsule that would actually make them healthy!

 

[Spun Silver]

Sheesh, the fantasies in this thread...

 

[Karen-W]

You are hoping that T/M will test positive and they will be sent back? You have a very sick mind.

Absolutely nothing in Karen W's post shows she is hoping for T/M to test positive and be sent back.

It is implied. Otherwise why would she specifically name Them, but no one else?

No it is not.

I am not going to engage in your silliness.

@Vash01 - you need to read and understand the Beijing C19 Playbook - anyone deemed a "close contact" ie ANYONE on Team Eteri - skater or coach - with someone who tests positive can be singled out for quarantine. In no way was I hoping for ANYONE to test positive. What I was saying is that it would be very easy for one of the Eteri Women (Valieva, Trusova or Shcherbakova) as well as her Pairs team (TarMor) to be subject to the quarantine requirements for long enough to be forced to withdraw - sacrificial lambs, if you will, for China to make its point about C19 but still give Russia a more than reasonable shot at sweeping the Women (because Tukt is just as formidable as Eteri's trio), and it would benefit China to have at least one of the top Russian Pairs teams out of the way.

I wasn't wishing for any of them to actually get sick, just positing a hypothesis of how this could work in a way that would allow China to save face while not pissing Russia off TOO much.