Daisuke & Patrick Chan skating skills vs ice dancers?

[exNyer]

How do they compare? Are senior/junior ice dancers superior in edge quality than these two ? I’ve been reading that DT’s aren’t senior ice dancer level?

 

[exNyer]

I just want to add that Patrick, Daisuke, Lambiel, and Jeffrey are far and away my favorite skaters of all time.

 

[On My Own]

I’ve been reading that DT’s aren’t senior ice dancer level?

Well, they're not, but he was great when he was a single's skater.

Chan's wouldn't be out of place among the second group seniors, but definitely not the final group IMO. Would have to see how he fairs with a partner though.

 

[VGThuy]

It’s very different skating with a partner as well. When the 2016-17 hip hop/blues SDs were introduced a lot of less than informed fans kept saying Daisuke would blow the ice dance field out of the water with his Hip Hop Swan Lake SP footwork sequence. I sort of debated the hip hop quality of that SP, but I also said ice dancers not only have to skate with a partner but they have much more stringent requirements that shape the side-by-side footwork and that the callers were much more strict with their calls which explains why the ice dancers steps are much more showcasey of the clean edges and turns and they had to sacrifice “busy” steps to ensure high level calls. We’re sort of seeing that now. That said, Daisuke does have the spirit for actual dance. It’s sort of the same thing when people said Savchenko/Massot were way better than the ice dancers but pairs judging and the requirements for steps and holds are much different in pairs than it is for ice dance.

 

[screech]

Patrick Chan has the fantastic natural skills on the ice, but probably doesn't have the 'rhythm' needed to be an ice dancer (he never came off as particularly 'dance-capable' in his programs to me). Whereas Dai does have that natural dance-ability and fantastic skating skills (though IMO not quite to Chan's level of edges, blade control, garnering of speed, etc).

 

[On My Own]

Patrick Chan has the fantastic natural skills on the ice, but probably doesn't have the 'rhythm' needed to be an ice dancer (he never came off as particularly 'dance-capable' in his programs to me). Whereas Dai does have that natural dance-ability and fantastic skating skills (though IMO not quite to Chan's level of edges, blade control, garnering of speed, etc).

I think this is a perfect assessment! Chan's rhythm was less about reflecting the musicality of a piece, or to showcase dance ability, but rather to showcase how amazingly he can weave each step and turn with perfect edge quality (hence his amazing one foot step sequences which had nothing to do with the music). Dai is downright slow and shallow edged compared to him, but he's million times the artist.

 

[AYS]

It was really clear watching his ice dancing live at this Skate America that Daisuke doesn't have the kind of edging and skating skills of most of the other ice dancers in the competition. It was more pronounced than I expected, and not surprised he struggled to get levels, especially in the FD. His dancing and performing are fantastic, but the feet were pretty sloppy and the edges were short and shallow.

I only ever saw Patrick Chan live back at the beginning of his career (2007 Skate America), around the same time I saw Daisuke skate live as a single skater, and even then, Patrick's edging and basic skating skills were what really stood out, they were exceptional in a field of single skaters. I don't know about him as a dancer (even though I adored him, I don't think that would have been his strength ), but he had the blade control that would have been needed.

 

[jlmart]

I remember reading an interview with Patrick where he was talking about how excited he was as a child to be accepted as a student by Osbourn Colson - who was very elderly at the time. He envisioned learning all sorts of jumps and things and instead "Mr. Colson" made him spend most of his time "tracing patterns" on the ice - school figures I imagine. That undoubtedly laid the groundwork for his amazing blade control.

 

[Fiero425]

Patrick Chan has the fantastic natural skills on the ice, but probably doesn't have the 'rhythm' needed to be an ice dancer (he never came off as particularly 'dance-capable' in his programs to me). Whereas Dai does have that natural dance-ability and fantastic skating skills (though IMO not quite to Chan's level of edges, blade control, garnering of speed, etc).

Patrick always gave me the feeling he could defy the laws of phsycis with his edging! At times he's making moves as if someone else must be supporting him because he would go inexplicably down because of it at times over the years!

 

[sap5]

It was really clear watching his ice dancing live at this Skate America that Daisuke doesn't have the kind of edging and skating skills of most of the other ice dancers in the competition. It was more pronounced than I expected, and not surprised he struggled to get levels, especially in the FD. His dancing and performing are fantastic, but the feet were pretty sloppy and the edges were short and shallow.

I only ever saw Patrick Chan live back at the beginning of his career (2007 Skate America), around the same time I saw Daisuke skate live as a single skater, and even then, Patrick's edging and basic skating skills were what really stood out, they were exceptional in a field of single skaters. I don't know about him as a dancer (even though I adored him, I don't think that would have been his strength ), but he had the blade control that would have been needed.

This is sad commentary, considering the skills shown by by today's ice dancers aren't as great as what was shown in the past.

 

[VGThuy]

This is sad commentary, considering the skills shown by by today's ice dancers aren't as great as what was shown in the past.

They clearly don't want to make them like they used to...sigh.

 

[On My Own]

Why is Dai's skating skills not being as good a commentary on current ice dance lol? He's been doing it for 3 years, and started at 33... Madison Chock and Lilah Fear, OTOH.

 

[ostile17]

This is sad commentary, considering the skills shown by by today's ice dancers aren't as great as what was shown in the past.

The result of 12 years without compulsories!