As the Page Turns (the Book Thread)

I never read any Judy Blume. I basically went from Anne of Green Gables and Narnia to Stephen King and Sidney Sheldon. Tried to read a few Harlequins to get educated about “romance” but as a 12/13 year old I wasn’t too impressed, which is just as well.
 
Judy Blume can be very hit or miss. Even in her hits, there are aspects of her writing that are cheesy and irritate me, but I still enjoy her best books. I was thinking Wifey was a big miss, but now that I'm looking up her adult books, I think I'm mixing it up with Smart Women. So I actually don't remember much about Wifey, but I am pretty sure I didn’t like it. I do remember I hated Smart Women and thought that the title was a misnomer and that it should have been called Stupid Women instead because the moronic behaviour from the main character made me want to throw the book out the window. Of her adult works, I liked Summer Sisters and In the Unlikely Event much better.

I thought her best young adult books were Just as Long as We're Together and Here's to You, Rachel Robinson.
 
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And some lessons like "least said, soonest mended" and "make hay while the sun shines" still hold up :lol:
I frequently invoke "least said, soonest mended", particularly at work.
Interesting to read about the experiences of parents with this kind of tricky content. I had good parents and teachers, and I read like crazy when I was a kid, but I don't remember anyone ever talking to me about the content.
Same here. I don't even think we discussed controversial issues in books we read for English at school. I don't know what I'd do if I was trying to introduce the Little House books to a child. Although in my experience if says you should read something because they loved it as a child you immediately don't want to or don't take to it (or maybe that's just me!). My grandmother loved the Anne of Green Gables books but I could never get into them. and when everyone was into Judy Blume books I tried one and hated it.

I do want to try and read the Little House books again though. It's many, many years since I last did so. Now I'm wondering how I'll find them.
 
The juicy Blume book is her "adult" book, which I think we had dramatic readings from at overnight camp. Can't remember what it's called though. Looking it up, I think it's Wifey? Spicy stuff.
Wifey was hugely controversial because up until then, Blume wrote children's books and people were afraid kids would pick that one up and read it because her name was on the cover. Which, of course, they did.

My best friend and I went through her oldest brother's porn collection right about that time. My parents weren't too picky about what I read, but, er, I can't imagine they would have been thrilled about that one. My mom actually caught me reading The Happy Hooker. I could have told her I'd actually read worse, but somehow it didn't seem the time.

I was absolutely obsessed with The Witch of Blackbird Pond, which is a little "younger" I would say than the books above. There was a great romantic subplot (involving secondary characters) in it, which really shaped my taste in even literary fiction for ever more for better or for worse. I wonder what it would be like to re-read now? It did seem to have a strong feminist storyline at the time, but I don't know how it holds up.
I loved that book and re-read it when my kids were around the age for that one. I thought it held up well.

It was also the book that sent me off reading romance novels. John and Mercy had a great story line, but I was all about Kit and Nat :swoon:.
 
I frequently invoke "least said, soonest mended", particularly at work.

Same here. I don't even think we discussed controversial issues in books we read for English at school. I don't know what I'd do if I was trying to introduce the Little House books to a child. Although in my experience if says you should read something because they loved it as a child you immediately don't want to or don't take to it (or maybe that's just me!). My grandmother loved the Anne of Green Gables books but I could never get into them. and when everyone was into Judy Blume books I tried one and hated it.

I do want to try and read the Little House books again though. It's many, many years since I last did so. Now I'm wondering how I'll find them.
 
I thought her best young adult books were Just as Long as We're Together and Here's to You, Rachel Robinson.
I loved those ones! I always wished there had been an Alison POV book to go along with the Steph and Rachel ones.
 
Even the first season of Survivor has a little instance with a slur for Hatch that would never, ever play over today and that was just over 20 years ago.
oh, totally. I recall the last time they trotted Rudy (RIP) out at a reunion show - he did the Rudy Thing, which is probably why they called on him in the first place, and it already showed how poorly the cranky old homophobe schtick had aged (IIRC this was sometime between 2010-2015). I like to waste time by watching highlight clips from Survivor, and SO MUCH of the show does not play well now. It's great that they finally kicked someone off for harassing women, but check out Tom in S3. I knew he was a revolting creep even then, but the show was more than happy to play up his pervy ogling (of Kelly, I think? the one who had a tick in her butt cheek) for lolz. Also, see Thailand, where Ghandia accused Ted of making unwanted advances, and got voted off because she was "the problem". See also: Richard Hatch/Sue Hawk in the first all-stars. etc etc etc.

I loved Judy Blume but haven't read any since I was a teenager. My friend's groovy parents (they also listened to rock and were so much hipper than my family!) had Wifey, and we talked about it but I never got around to reading it.

When I was 9-13, I read all kinds of smutty trashy books that no one blinked an eye about. "Chick lit" of the early '80s was full of violence and weird sex. For the teen set, of course I read all the Flowers in the Attic books, but also the standalone VC Andrews book My Sweet Audrina, which is really twisted. And also has a timeline inconsistency that always drove me bonkers :shuffle: But there is a former figure skater as a secondary character. :D
 
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A relevant opinion piece: I’m A Black Mother And Educator. Here’s Why I Let My Kids Read Racist Books.

Now, as a mom and an educator, I look at these books with a discerning eye. When I read the books with my children, we immediately discuss the book’s time period, the author’s intent and the harmful depictions of marginalized people. For my students, the majority of whom are white, I find it equally important to apply these same concepts.

I get this and think it's important in the classroom, but I have to say that I really wouldn't want to do this with my kids. It's so didactic.
 
My Sweet Audrina is one of the most out there books ever.

Yeah, the V.C. Andrews books are messed up in general, but that one is by far the worst. I still can’t believe my mom gave me Flowers in the Attic. At the time, I got the impression that she had read it as a teenager and was in shock that my uptight Catholic mom thought it was an appropriate book to give to me. It was highly confusing. Now I know that the books came out when my mom was in her 20s, so I think I must have misunderstood and my guess is that she had never read them. I may ask her if the topic comes up because I am kind of curious.

ETA - so I did decide to ask - and she has read "several in the series", thought them "kind of gruesome", apparently doesn't remember having given me the book or that I read all of them as a pre-teen/teenager. She wondered if maybe the early books weren't as bad (me - :rofl: ) and then said she must have forgotten about some of that stuff when she gave me the book :lol:
 
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Yeah, the V.C. Andrews books are messed up in general, but that one is by far the worst. I still can’t believe my mom gave my Flowers in the Attic. At the time, I got the impression that she had read it as a teenager and was in shock that she thought my uptight Catholic mom thought it was appropriate book to give to me. It was highly confusing. Now I know that the books came out when my mom was in her 20s, so I think I must have misunderstood and my guess is that she had never read them. I may ask her if the topic comes up because I am kind of curious.
They are showing all the V. C. Andrews series movies on Lifetime. Not watching. I read all of the Flowers in the Attic ones several times. I only watched the first Flowers movie on Lifetime. And I think I read the first of the other ones, but not the whole series, like Ruby? And I still didn't understand My Sweet Audrina when I read it as an adult!
 
Anybody read The Other Mrs. by Mary Kubica? Another weird one.

I gave up on Kubica. I think I was overly generous on the first one of hers I read, deciding it wasn't great but not bad and was willing to give her another shot, but the second was also meh and I'm done.

They are showing all the V. C. Andrews series movies on Lifetime. Not watching.

I watched a little bit of Dark Angel, just because I came across it while channel flipping and Jason Priestley was playing Tony Tatterton (which makes me feel old). It was about as bad as you would expect but kind of fun for the cheese factor. If anyone does want to binge on them, @meggonzo has done some sleuthing and discovered they are on Amazon Prime. You have to join the Lifetime Movie Club, but there is a free seven day trial.

And I still didn't understand My Sweet Audrina when I read it as an adult!
Me neither! I think I've concluded it's not worth wasting my brain cells trying to understand.
 
On this topic, having recently re-read the first two Anne of Green Gables books with my kids, I must say there is a fair amount of unpleasant stereotyping of French Canadians/Quebecois in those books.
There was? Where? It was my favourite books growing up. I don’t remember Quebec though.
 
There was? Where? It was my favourite books growing up. I don’t remember Quebec though.


It’s not a main part of the storyline. It comes up in a couple of general comments and in relation to secondary characters who are French Canadian (often servants, such as Matthew’s hired boy Jerry, and Paul Irving’s housemaid in the second book).
 
It’s not a main part of the storyline. It comes up in a couple of general comments and in relation to secondary characters who are French Canadian (often servants, such as Matthew’s hired boy Jerry, and Paul Irving’s housemaid in the second book).
I will have to read it again.
 
I agree with @Erin about Kubica. I read The Good Girl; it was one of the flattest written books I’ve ever read. Kubica doesn’t get a second chance with me.
 
I’m with those that gave up on Kubica. I read The Good Girl, Don’t You Cry, and Pretty Baby... the first one was okay but nothing special and each one after got progressively worse. I haven’t seen anything in the synopsis of her newer works that make me want to try again.
 
When I was 9-13, I read all kinds of smutty trashy books that no one blinked an eye about. "Chick lit" of the early '80s was full of violence and weird sex. For the teen set, of course I read all the Flowers in the Attic books, but also the standalone VC Andrews book My Sweet Audrina, which is really twisted. And also has a timeline inconsistency that always drove me bonkers :shuffle: But there is a former figure skater as a secondary character. :D
I may regret asking, but what is the timeline inconsistency? I thought the altered timeline was a major plot point? I haven't read the book in years.

I've been listening to a lot of 80s/90s YA lit podcasts the past year (SVH, BSC, Christopher Pike), but when I searched for VC Andrews podcasts, I only found a few podcasts that had stand-alone episodes, and one that gave up after 5 episodes. I imagine they threw the books out the window halfway through recording!
 
I may regret asking, but what is the timeline inconsistency? I thought the altered timeline was a major plot point? I haven't read the book in years.
The premise that the First Audrina died on her 9th birthday, nine years before Audrina 2 was born. Meaning Audrina 1 would have been 18 years old (had she lived) when Audrina 2 was born, and then the mom is pregnant again when Audrina 2 is 7 years old. A 25 year gap between births isn't impossible, but back then (meaning the 1980s when I read it) women giving birth in their 40s was not very common, especially if there weren't a lot of children, aka Catholic families. Whatever age I was when I read the book (probably 11), it seemed suspect - and totally unnecessary.

Another very different book I read later had a similar timeline inconsistency around the dead sibling of a main character and it drove me up the wall.
 
Has anyone here read Ferrante's new book? Do you think it's going to be a series like the Elena and Lila story? There were so many unanswered questions...

I'm currently reading Irving's Last night in twilight river. I'm fascinated by his male characters. And he never ceases to surprise me.

I love this thread, it gives me so many ideas for new books to buy :)
 
The premise that the First Audrina died on her 9th birthday, nine years before Audrina 2 was born. Meaning Audrina 1 would have been 18 years old (had she lived) when Audrina 2 was born, and then the mom is pregnant again when Audrina 2 is 7 years old. A 25 year gap between births isn't impossible, but back then (meaning the 1980s when I read it) women giving birth in their 40s was not very common, especially if there weren't a lot of children, aka Catholic families. Whatever age I was when I read the book (probably 11), it seemed suspect - and totally unnecessary.

Another very different book I read later had a similar timeline inconsistency around the dead sibling of a main character and it drove me up the wall.
I think I thought that Audrina1 was 9 years older than Audrina2. The book is probably still at my parents' house, but I don't know if I want to read it again. :slinkaway
 
I hope my girls aren't tempted to read V.C. Andrews, but I suppose they probably will be. :scream:

I read Flowers in the Attic and its first sequel when I was a tween/teen, I remember being fascinated but also finding it very weird and semi-repulsive. I guess it's probably a good thing I didn't move on to My Sweet Audrina.
 

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