2025 Eurovision Grand Final PBP - What The Hell Just Happened?

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We also rigged the Irish jury vote. And got you to give 12 points to Poland because that's just funny :sekret:
Our jurors having shit taste is one thing. Your government spending millions of dollars to manipulate a public vote in a singing competition is another.
 
I was in Vienna ten years ago for Eurovision and it was lovely, even if it was a rainy week! Well done Austria and thanks God Israel didn‘t win this…
 
No, it was the Power of the Unicorn.

Why you're wasting time on conspiracy theories instead of being happy for JJ really is beyond me.
There is no conspiracy theory. The Israeli Government BOUGHT social media ads to promote its song in each of the 36 other competing countries and the rest of the world and was relentlessly spamming us all this week. That is a fact. It’s straight out of the Azerbaijan early 2010s playbook (which also included purchasing SIMs in large quantities to manipulate the televote - it’s why we have juries now).
 
There is no conspiracy theory. The Israeli Government BOUGHT social media ads to promote its song in each of the 36 other competing countries and the rest of the world and was relentlessly spamming us all this week. That is a fact. It’s straight out of the Azerbaijan early 2010s playbook (which also included purchasing SIMs in large quantities to manipulate the televote - it’s why we have juries now).
So did Poland, France, Serbia, Armenia, Portugal, Austria and others. But it's ok, because they are not Israel. And since Jews, as we know, rule the world since 1932, it's only the Israeli campaign that brainwashed people into voting. Plus I think you vastly overestimate the budget of the Israeli Ministry of Culture.

Of course we could have made a much easier conclusion, that with Israel being demonized in the mainstream media, and anti-Israeli protests being vocal, often violent and led by Islamists and Marxists, there's a pushback from silenced groups unrepresented in the media, who are sick of all this, don't care about Eurovision but wants to stick a finger. But what would be the fun in that?
 
There is no conspiracy theory. The Israeli Government BOUGHT social media ads to promote its song in each of the 36 other competing countries and the rest of the world and was relentlessly spamming us all this week. That is a fact. It’s straight out of the Azerbaijan early 2010s playbook (which also included purchasing SIMs in large quantities to manipulate the televote - it’s why we have juries now).
Shit busted!
was it also revealed that the evil Jews injected a special software into the computers that run on intel chips and if you didn't vote Israel your computer will explode? Or that if you got had a Pfizer covid vaccine remember - the CEO is Jewish and everyone who got the vaccine had a sudden urge to vote for Israel and if you didn't your genes will be modified into loving Israel for hte rest of your life!!!!


Seriously though, if the most common searches on your computer are `Eurovision' and `Israel' you'll end up with the ads about the Israel in Eurovision. Guess it worked splendidly this week for `Queers for Palestine'
 
Oh, no, the voting for Israel was political and had nothing to do with music :drama:

Unlike burning Israeli flags in Basel, those are just music lover appalled by whatshername's vocal abilities.

When you make a country's existence and its public presence a political issue, what a shocker it is, really, that there's going to be a pushback from the other side of the political spectrum. Who would have thought. In particular in a contest in which the winner can be determined with 100% certainty by less than 20% of the votes.
 
So did Poland, France, Serbia, Armenia, Portugal, Austria and others.
Those countries did not have paid government sponsored ad campaigns.
Of course we could have made a much easier conclusion, that with Israel being demonized in the mainstream media, and anti-Israeli protests being vocal, often violent and led by Islamists and Marxists, there's a pushback from silenced groups unrepresented in the media, who are sick of all this, don't care about Eurovision but wants to stick a finger. But what would be the fun in that?
Since I am not Israeli, can you ask your government why it is buying social media ads to promote voting for your Eurovision entry?
 
Ban eurovision. The songs are shit, the aesthetic is shit, and the fighting over voting is shit. Literal pastime of quadragenarians and older.

If Xi Jinping takes over the world and bans eurovision, I'll throw a Yuzuru Hanyu doll at him.
Your ignorance about so many things never fails to astound.
 
Those countries did not have paid government sponsored ad campaigns.

Since I am not Israeli, can you ask your government why it is buying social media ads to promote voting for your Eurovision entry?
I'll be sure to ring up Bibi, we go way back.

Was it really necessary to make this thread about Israel? Can we not be happy for JJ with that cool performance?
 
Those countries did not have paid government sponsored ad campaigns.
I don't know who paid for these ads, but they definitely exist. It's just since no one is bothered by their country's existence, those don't create such a buzz.
Since I am not Israeli, can you ask your government why it is buying social media ads to promote voting for your Eurovision entry?
I don't know, since you seem to be very certain of who paid and how much for the ads for Israel, I assumed you are getting the financial statements directly from the Israeli government.

Said that, I'm certain the Israeli Ministry of Culture had sponsored some campaign, sounds much like what it would do. I'd estimate the budget as at max around 50,000 euros - that's about the largest sum they have for any project. Who knew it all it takes to convince all nations of Europe and around the world. People are so cheap.
 
I don't know, since you seem to be very certain of who paid and how much for the ads for Israel, I assumed you are getting the financial statements directly from the Israeli government.
In Ireland (and the rest of the EU) paid online ads must include information on who sponsors them. I clicked to where the information can be found and it said “Israel’s Government Advertising Agency”.

So again ask yourself why is a government doing that?

Proof: https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR00827556497616535553?origin=ata&region=ES
 
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In Ireland (and the rest of the EU) paid online ads must include information on who sponsors them. I clicked to where the information can be found and it said “Israel’s Government Advertising Agency”.
Ah, cool. Can you check who sponsored the other countries Eurovision ads then? Out of curiosity. Because I understand no one cares about them.
So again ask yourself why is a government doing that?
Really? Why is that surprising and/or criminal? I said in my previous post, I'm certain the Israeli Ministry of Culture is in this; I think they participate in the promotion of Eurovision entries of Israel pretty much every year - it's a pretty big thing in Israel; we don't have a lot of cultural events like other European nations. There was Nova Festival, of course, but alas. So do other nations, especially smaller ones. It's a PR thing, and I honestly see nothing wrong with it; also I think it is the least effective when it comes to actual convincing of people voting for an entry.

I think you will have to admit that some of your compatriots just don't like the wild anti-Israeli smearing campaign led by your media and government, and they feel strongly enough to take part in a pathetic music competition voting. I find it much more plausible than the conspiracy theories about Mosad activating its agents to vote in different countries, or your conspiracy that the results are bought by the Israeli government. Trust and believe, the Israeli government has much more important things to do; and not being an authocracy like Azerbaijan, it can't just divert endless public funds into some ridiculous projects, therefore whatever campaign there was, it was limited by a very modest sum in posession of one of the least funded ministries of Israel.

Also the wilingness to stand for one's state is in direct relation to the threat that state experiences. I don't expect Europeans to understand the sense of urgency, danger and betrayal we feel, but Israelis (and Jews to a certain extent) in Israel and Europe feel it coming from Arab terrorists and their European sympathizers, and therefore put aside for a while their eternal political divisions, instead willing to fight against this threat in any way they posess, including such stupid ones like voting at the Eurovision or replying to quite luducrous posts on figure skating boards.

Given all that, I fear Eurovision won't be behaving normally for as long as Israel is a political entity rather than a geographic one. And to be honest, given the price other people pay thanks to this situation (both Israelis and Palestinians), I think it's fair to expect Eurovision fashionados to cope.
 
In Ireland (and the rest of the EU) paid online ads must include information on who sponsors them. I clicked to where the information can be found and it said “Israel’s Government Advertising Agency”.

So again ask yourself why is a government doing that?

Proof: https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR00827556497616535553?origin=ata&region=ES

Since the Eurovision Song Contest is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, the participants are one broadcaster per nation, usually the state broadcaster.

All expenses are covered by the state broadcaster and therefore they must also cover the publicity expenses, presumably using state agencies if these exist. I've come across ads for the Israeli, Polish, Greek, Armenian and Maltese entries. All of this was on Instagram and I don't use it a lot, so probably there were others too.

It wouldn't be surprising if the country most in need of improving its image spent the most money on ads. It's not some obscure conspiracy.
 
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It wouldn't be surprising if the country most in need of improving its image spent the most money on ads.
I can think of other things it could be doing to improve its image aside from trying to win Eurovision (which it certainly wouldn’t be able to host in any case under current circumstances).
 
Pleasant surprises of 2025 Eurovision, in no particular order:
  • Luxembourg making it through to the GF
  • Hazel Brugger (though not her outfits :scream:) and Sandra Studer were good hosts
  • Austria deservedly winning and JJ being so darling
  • Erika being an icon (though not her scoring)
  • The stage crew who deserve an MVP
  • Baby Lasagna and Käärijä's interval act
 
I can think of other things it could be doing to improve its image aside from trying to win Eurovision
Absolutely, but that's the subject of other threads.

(which it certainly wouldn’t be able to host in any case under current circumstances).

I know that at least one Israeli was fervently rooting for Austria during the voting last night. ;) When the Israeli song went to first place she said "That's all we need!" :drama:
 
I can think of other things it could be doing to improve its image aside from trying to win Eurovision (which it certainly wouldn’t be able to host in any case under current circumstances).
I completely agree with it. Winning would have been a total nightmare. I don't think it was the plan, rather showing the trauma Israelis carry, and trying to give a channel for public support overcoming the ugly anti-Israeli media bias. Which was achieved, I think.

Regarding other efforts, don't think the berserk anti-Israeli Queers for Palestine would be satisfied with anything less than a Holocaust, though, so Eurovision is sensible. I'd like the Israeli speakers to do at least what the Israelis on FSU do, but 1) we have a horrible incapable government which plays to the internal public rather than external and 2) given the agenda pushed by the media channels, they wouldn't have given the platform anyway.
 
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