2022 Grand Prix Assignments - when do they come out?

[Sylvia]

Is Zhou quitting or is it because of college? (Or health issues?)

Vincent has said in recent interviews that he plans to focus on his second semester at Brown University this fall. He hasn't ruled out competing the future.

 

[PRlady]

Any word about Karen Chen or Jason Brown?

Not surprised about Mariah. She could have an outside shot at a Worlds medal next season, especially with the new jump sequence rules.

Thrilled that it sounds like K/F are going to compete at least one more season!

Yes, Mariah would be seeded 3rd. Seeing as she is National Champ and a top 1-3 seed, she'll definitely get SkAm. Same for K/F and C/B. Camden and Ilia are in different groupings for GP seeding, but, yes, I think we can expect that both of them will get SkAm, especially if Morisi Kvitelashvili does retire or skip the GP, which would then move Camden up to the 3rd seed overall.


Probably won't see Kaori since she and Mariah will be in the 1-3 grouping and those are most often separated. H/B are in the 4-6 grouping since H/D and S/D have both retired. SkAm is a definite possibility for them.

Careful wishing for Lopareva/Brissaud. We might get more Mambo Azerbaijano as a bonus since he's engaged to Ryabova, lol.


NHK seems a pretty likely invitation for them. Good way to showcase a other Japanese skater in ice dance (even if she is skating for another country now), and they aren't likely to challenge or beat either M/T or KoKo. I could see the JSF and Finnish fed trading spots for KoKo and O/P.

I forgot Mariah is now a top three seed. Darn. I really like her but want my Feminist Queen. And Young You should want SA: if her 3A works she can easily beat Bell.

 

[Maximillian]

Any shot at Kihira getting SA?

 

[Vagabond]

I reject the reality of Morisi Kvitelashvili being the 3rd seed.

Eys. He should be ranked higher than that, but such is life. ?‍

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[Karen-W]

Any shot at Kihira getting SA?

If the GP selection rules remain the same as in past years, she would be eligible for a host pick and her Worlds 2021 score would put her on the SB Top 75 list, which would make her eligible for an invitation to another GP. Same situation applies to Bradie Tennell, if she is competing next season.

 

[On My Own]

Eys. He should be higher than that, but such is life. ?‍

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While I agree he should get additional credit for inventing a new jump, I wish he'd get that in a sport I don't watch.

 

[Karen-W]

I reject the reality of Morisi Kvitelashvili being the 3rd seed.

Eys. He should be higher than that, but such is life. ?‍

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While I agree he should get additional credit for inventing a new jump, I wish he'd get that in a sport I don't watch.

Lol. I have to ask... How much higher should he be? Surely the Skating With Eteri bump for Morisi reached its limit against the likes of Shoma and Yuma.

 

[On My Own]

Lol. I have to ask... How much higher should he be? Surely the Skating With Eteri bump for Morisi reached its limit against the likes of Shoma and Yuma.

Platinum seed, which is permanent 0th seed and retirement.

 

[cohkaix]

Any shot at Kihira getting SA?

One thing to consider is that, since Rika trains with BO now, it's more likely that she'll get SC as priority. Also, given that she's (probably) still recovering, it's less likely she'll have back-to-back competitions (SA-SC).

Another thing to consider for Rika is that: without any domestic competitions from last season, theoretically she'll have to go through all the required domestic competitions (regional/sectional) to get to the Nationals by the end of this year. But if she'll get two GP assignments, I think JSF will work around for her to waive the required domestic competitions.

 

[Evgeniafan]

One thing to consider is that, since Rika trains with BO now, it's more likely that she'll get SC as priority. Also, given that she's (probably) still recovering, it's less likely she'll have back-to-back competitions (SA-SC).

Another thing to consider for Rika is that: without any domestic competitions from last season, theoretically she'll have to go through all the required domestic competitions (regional/sectional) to get to the Nationals by the end of this year. But if she'll get two GP assignments, I think JSF will work around for her to waive the required domestic competitions.

I'd love to see her at Skate America. I know it probably won't happen. But I can still hope it does. ?

 

[Sylvia]

ISU updated the World Standings today (June 17), removing 2019/20 points and reducing the 2020/21 points to 70%.

Men: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsmen.htm
Women: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wswomen.htm
Pairs: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wspairs.htm (James/Radford are no longer listed -- ditto for Moore-Towers/Marinaro -- but quite a few teams that have since split are still listed (ETA in the top 24): Cain/LeDuc (retired), Lu/Mitrofanov, Della Monica (she retired)/Guarise, Ziegler/Kiefer (retired), Artemeva/Nazarychev, Kadyrova/Balchenko.)
Ice Dance: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsdance.htm (newly retired Hubbell/Donohue were removed)

 

[Karen-W]

ISU updated the World Standings today (June 17), removing 2019/20 points and reducing the 2020/21 points to 70%.
Pairs: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wspairs.htm (James/Radford are no longer listed but quite a few teams that have since split are still there)

Interesting. Roundabout confirmation they won't be competing next season?

 

[RoseRed]

ISU updated the World Standings today (June 17), removing 2019/20 points and reducing the 2020/21 points to 70%.

Men: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsmen.htm
Women: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wswomen.htm
Pairs: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wspairs.htm (James/Radford are no longer listed but quite a few teams that have since split are still listed (ETA in the top 24): Cain/LeDuc (retired), Lu/Mitrofanov, Della Monica (she retired)/Guarise, Ziegler/Kiefer (retired), Artemeva/Nazarychev, Kadyrova/Balchenko.)
Ice Dance: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsdance.htm (newly retired Hubbell/Donohue were removed)

A few other skaters who announced retirements are also no longer listed, like Michal Brezina and Alysa Liu.

 

[Sylvia]

A few other skaters who announced retirements are also no longer listed, like Michal Brezina and Alysa Liu.

And Moore-Towers/Marinaro and Nam Nguyen.

 

[Karen-W]

A few other skaters who announced retirements are also no longer listed, like Michal Brezina and Alysa Liu.

Yup... Smart/Diaz and Hurtado/Khaliavin see both also off the list.

In Pairs, the good news for our Aussie fans is that enough teams have dropped off the list already that Golubeva/Giotopoulos-Moore are now Top 24 so they're guaranteed to be on the GP!

And in Dance, Wolfkostin/Chen just eked into the Top 24 due to retirements. Harris/Chan could move up if either PapCiz or GilPoir are retired before GP assignments are announced.

 

[Sabine-Yuna]

Yup... Smart/Diaz and Hurtado/Khaliavin see both also off the list.

In Pairs, the good news for our Aussie fans is that enough teams have dropped off the list already that Golubeva/Giotopoulos-Moore are now Top 24 so they're guaranteed to be on the GP!

And in Dance, Wolfkostin/Chen just eked into the Top 24 due to retirements. Harris/Chan could move up if either PapCiz or GilPoir are retired before GP assignments are announced.

I think the old WS list counts for top24, but in pairs it shouldn't be a problem to grab two GP assignements.

 

[On My Own]

ISU updated the World Standings today (June 17), removing 2019/20 points and reducing the 2020/21 points to 70%.

Men: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsmen.htm
Women: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wswomen.htm
Pairs: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wspairs.htm (James/Radford are no longer listed -- ditto for Moore-Towers/Marinaro -- but quite a few teams that have since split are still listed (ETA in the top 24): Cain/LeDuc (retired), Lu/Mitrofanov, Della Monica (she retired)/Guarise, Ziegler/Kiefer (retired), Artemeva/Nazarychev, Kadyrova/Balchenko.)
Ice Dance: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsdance.htm (newly retired Hubbell/Donohue were removed)

These are after they've already decided the GP assignments, isn't it?

 

[RoseRed]

I think the old WS list counts for top24, but in pairs it shouldn't be a problem to grab two GP assignements.

No, it should be these lists

 

[LoisAGOEs]

No, I think it should be the previous list. The Grand Prix announcement document for last season says 18/19, 19/20, and 20/21. Therefore this season should be 19/20, 20/21, and 21/22. Not the 22/23 list.

 

[On My Own]

I never remember the rules - but it makes sense to me that the rankings at the end of the previous season would be used for GP selection.

That being said, the ISU never does anything that makes sense to me.

 

[tony]

No, I think it should be the previous list. The Grand Prix announcement document for last season says 18/19, 19/20, and 20/21. Therefore this season should be 19/20, 20/21, and 21/22. Not the 22/23 list.

I think that was because of the condensed events in 2020 and 2021 and they had to keep the scores from 2018-2019 IIRC.

But I believe the Grand Prix selections come from the new standings after the audit is completed.

 

[Karen-W]

No, I think it should be the previous list. The Grand Prix announcement document for last season says 18/19, 19/20, and 20/21. Therefore this season should be 19/20, 20/21, and 21/22. Not the 22/23 list.

The WS list was oddly calculated this past season to include, as @tony noted, the 18-19 scores at 70% because of the nearly non-existent 20-21 international season. There was always a question of whether or not the ISU would drop the 19-20 points entirely or not when they updated the WS at the end of this season. Yes, theoretically, they could have kept those points and calculated them (as well as 20-21) at 70%, but it makes sense that they would drop them entirely since it is also the start of a new quad. The reality is, it's probably fairer to the skaters competing going forward to drop those points from 3 seasons ago, even if that means that a lot of them don't have any points from 20-21 if they weren't lucky enough to go to Worlds.

 

[LoisAGOEs]

Well all the documents for the seasons prior referenced the immediately previous season’s years World Standings not the current one. But guess we’ll see in a couple weeks.

 

[On My Own]

The reality is, it's probably fairer to the skaters competing going forward to drop those points from 3 seasons ago, even if that means that a lot of them don't have any points from 20-21 if they weren't lucky enough to go to Worlds.

I mean, if this is the reason, and they really do go with these updated rankings, then they should also drop 2020-21.

Anyway, we'll see. Does anyone have a rulebook for this that I can look through?

 

[Karen-W]

Well all the documents for the seasons prior referenced the immediately previous season’s years World Standings not the current one. But guess we’ll see in a couple weeks.

And in past seasons, the GP selections have always been based off the updated WS list. Last season was an anomaly, so I would look to prior seasons GP announcements as a guide.

I mean, if this is the reason, and they really do go with these updated rankings, then they should also drop 2020-21.

Anyway, we'll see. Does anyone have a rulebook for this that I can look through?

You get no disagreement from me on that, but neither of us are in charge, lol.

 

[Dobre]

Thanks, Sylvia! After covid, I wasn't sure how they were going to deal with 2020-21. I was wondering if USFS might take Hubbell & Donohue off the list with Wolfkostin & Chen so close to the cut off point (with H&D's permission, of course). It's not often that dance teams do that, though, so good for H&D. Looks like W&C would have just made it regardless; but that top 24 placement could make a big difference for them.

 

[leilaofpaper]

With those in the top 24 being guaranteed a spot - how do those who can’t compete/have retired factor into that?

For instance, do we strike off all the russians on the list and move everyone up to see the actual top 24 for GP assignments? or do you only get the guaranteed spot if you’re on the original top 24 list?

 

[Karen-W]

With those in the top 24 being guaranteed a spot - how do those who can’t compete/have retired factor into that?

For instance, do we strike off all the russians on the list and move everyone up to see the actual top 24 for GP assignments? or do you only get the guaranteed spot if you’re on the original top 24 list?

No one knows for sure what will happen to the Russians/Belarusians who are on the WS/SB Top 24 or SB Top 75 lists. Skaters who are "taking a step away from competitive skating for now" like Zhou, Cain-Gribble/LeDuc, etc aren't removed and skaters ranked below the WS/SB Top 24 lists won't be moved up into a guaranteed spot.

I believe the only skaters/teams that are moved up based on retirements/choosing to not participate in the GP are the seeded skaters from Worlds.

 

[Dobre]

With those in the top 24 being guaranteed a spot - how do those who can’t compete/have retired factor into that?

For instance, do we strike off all the russians on the list and move everyone up to see the actual top 24 for GP assignments? or do you only get the guaranteed spot if you’re on the original top 24 list?

Regarding the top 24 WS spots, usually the only way for other teams/athletes to be considered top 24 is if federations have removed the retiring teams from the list. Otherwise, the retired teams just stay on the WS list until a year or two later they finally drop off it.

Occasionally we see teams/athletes added to the GP assignments which seem likely to have been selected based off of a close WS ranking, such as 25th or 26th; but typically, GP selections outside the top 24 are done based off of ranking on the SB list instead.

 

[Karen-W]

Eeeshh... I know it's Pairs, so McBeath/Bartholomay should be good for 2 spots no matter what, but if I was the USFS, I'd be dropping Lu/Mitrofanov from the WS as retired, just to bump Katie/Nate into the WS Top 24.

Legend:
* = Guaranteed 2 assignments
** = Guaranteed 1 assignment
Red = not yet confirmed to be competing this fall
Green = currently suspended due to WADA violation
Blue = confirmed/most likely competing Junior next fall
Violet = possibly competing Junior next fall

Men -
*Seeded 1-6 - Uno, Kagiyama, Kvitelashvili, Pulkinen, Tomono, Grassl
*Seeded 7-12 - Siao Him Fa, Malinin, Rizzo, Aymoz, Sadovsky, Vasiljevs (Messing would move up to seeded status if Kvitelashvili isn't doing the GP this fall)
**WS Top 24 - Brown, Messing, J. Cha, Hanyu, Levandi, Ma, Chiu, M. Selevko
**SB Top 24 - Jin, Sato
Jr Worlds Top 3 & SB Top 75 - Shaidorov, Tsuboi
SB Top 75 - Miura, Yamamoto, Miyake, Kerry, Litvintsev, Frangipani, A. Selevko, Lee, Shimada, Zandron, Egadze, Honda, Gogolev, Reshtenko, Orzel, Hiwatashi, Majorov, Britschgi, Carrillo, Shmuratko, Starostin, Circelli, Memola, Sjoberg, Kapeikis, Newberry, Guarino Sabate
Eligible for Host Spots - Virtanen (presuming Finland gets one of the open GPs), Economides, Le May

Women
*Seeded 1-6 - Sakamoto, Hendrickx, Bell, You, Gubanova, Lee
*Seeded 7-12 - Chen, Ryabova, Schott, Higuchi, Schizas, Kurakova (Mikutina would move up to seeded status if Chen isn't doing the GP this fall)
**WS Top 24 - Mihara, Y. Kim, Thorngren, Petrokina, Matsuike, A. Shin
**SB Top 24 - Levito
Injury/SB Top 75 & Eligible for Host Assignments - Kihira, Tennell
SB Top 75 - Kawabe, Kiibus, Glenn, Yun, M. Kim, C. Kim, Wi, Lim, Park, Pinzarrone, Yokoi, Mikutina, Seo, Kitromilis, Paganini, Izzo, Ruiter, Andrews, Repond, Daleman, Ziegler, van Zundert, Brezinova, Sumiyoshi, Ji, Zhu, Serna, Wang, Sauter, Peltonen, Saarinen, Schumacher
Eligible for Host Assignments - Mazzara, Ounasvuori, Ceder (both assuming Finland gets one of the open GPs)

Pairs -
*Seeded 1-6 - Knierim/Frazier, Miura/Kihara, Safina/Berulava, Hase/Seegert, Walsh/Michaud, Kovalev/Kovalev
*Seeded 7-10 - Danilova/Tsiba
**WS Top 24 - Sui/Han, Peng/Jin, Ghilardi/Ambrosini, Chan/Howe, Barquero/Zandron, Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps, Conti/Macii, Golubeva/Giotopoulos-Moore
**SB Top 24 - Metelkina/Parkman
Jr Worlds Top 3 & SB Top 75 - McIntosh/Mimar
SB Top 75 - Matte/Ferland, McBeath/Bartholomay, Hocke/Kunkel, Wang/Huang, Zukova/Bidar, Smirnova/Siianytsia, Roscher/Schuster, Sierova/Khobta, Holichenko/Darenskiy, Caldara/Maglio, Chernyshova/Windsor, Crafoord/Crafoord
Eligible for Host Assignments - Proft/Nadeau, Laurin/Ethier, Thibodeau-Mailhot/Villenueve, Zabiako/Daleman, Keriven/Bouvart, Piegad/Strekalin, Collier/Mitrofanov, Hanns/Neudecker, Plazas/Fernandez

Dance -
*Seeded 1-6 - Papadakis/Cizeron, Chock/Bates, Guignard/Fabbri, Gilles/Poirier, Fear/Gibson, Hawayek/Baker
*Seeded 7-10 - Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen, Reed/Ambrulevicius, Lajoie/Lagha, Turkkila/Versluis (Taschlerova/Taschler and Kazakova/Reviya would move up to seeded status if PapCiz and GilPoir aren't doing the GP this fall)
**WS Top 24 - Green/Parsons, Carreira/Ponomarenko, Lopareva/Brissaud, Muramoto/Takahashi, Soucisse/Firus, Nazarova/Nikitin, Mueller/Dieck, Brown/Brown, Wang/Liu, Wolfkostin/Chen, Bashynska/Beaumont
**SB Top 24 - none (all are either seeded or WS Top 24)
SB Top 75 - Orihara/Pirinen, Taschlerova/Taschler, Kazakova/Reviya, Bratti/Somerville, Komatsubara/Koleto, Fabbri/Ayer, Pate/Bye, Lanaghan/Razgulajevs, Holubtsova/Bielobrov, Janse van Rensburg/Steffan, Kaliszek/Spodyriev, Lauriault/Le Gac, Cesanek/Yehorov, Harris/Chan, Demougeot/Le Mercier, Lagouge/Caffa, Sales/Wamsteeker, Ling/Wein, Nosovitskaya/Nosovitskiy, McNamara/Spiridonov, Chen/Sun, Portesi Peroni/Chrastecky, Polibina/Golovishnikov, Grimm/Savitskiy, Lim/Quan, Kudryavtseva/Karankevich, Ignateva/Szemko