2018-2019 Tango Romantica suggestions

I know it is not original at all, but I would love the Shibs skating "Invierno Porteño".
 
I quite like the Tango Romantica compulsory dance. I will look forward to seeing some of the short dances, especially the Shibs and P&C.
 
IloveFS said:
I hate to say this but I think that we could see Tango de Roxanne a lot next year in the short dance.
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I don't know if any top teams will want to use it after V/M did it so well this season. I guess we'll see.
 
People can try... it seems too soon and it would suck to feel like you are compared to the Oly Champs but no music is married to a team even though some programs are iconic.
 
Dear god, no Lady Gaga :yikes:

I'm so tired of these shitty pop songs being used in skating now. They're all so try hard and wannabe "edgy" and "current." Use some damn tango music. Download a Piazzolla CD, there's so more much than Adiós Nonino. Go to Argentina, buy a CD off a local musician. Find the score to some art house film that has a tango rhythm. Finding some vaguely tango-ish pop song so you can be ~different~ is almost as trite and lazy and just grabbing someone's used Libertango cd from the rink's lost and found.

I'm happy that people are no longer getting penalized for vocals, but the best programs are still the instrumental ones. It's not so bad in dance, but in singles the skater is often competing (and losing) to the vocalist for star of the show. Plus I always get this vague sense akin to watching a mom trying to "get down with the kids" at a party when I see skaters using mainstream hits. It doesn't make skating more approachable, it just makes it embarrassing to watch. :drama:
 
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triple_toe said:
Dear god, no Lady Gaga :yikes:

I'm so tired of these shitty pop songs being used in skating now. They're all so try hard and wannabe "edgy" and "current." Use some damn tango music. Download a Piazzolla CD, there's so more much than Adiós Nonino. Go to Argentina, buy a CD off a local musician. Find the score to some art house film that has a tango rhythm. Finding some vaguely tango-ish pop song so you can be ~different~ is almost as trite and lazy and just grabbing someone's used Libertango cd from the rink's lost and found.

I'm happy that people are no longer getting penalized for vocals, but the best programs are still the instrumental ones. It's not so bad in dance, but in singles the skater is often competing (and losing) to the vocalist for star of the show. Plus I always get this vague sense akin to watching a mom trying to "get down with the kids" at a party when I see skaters using mainstream hits. It doesn't make skating more approachable, it just makes it embarrassing to watch. :drama:
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This is far from accurate all the time imo. What about Jimmy Ma's viral hip hop number? The majority of fans that I saw really liked Nathan Chen's Nemesis. His best program in recent years for me. There's Josh Farris's Give Me Love, several good programs using fairly recent Imagine Dragons songs, etc.

But also, why do you assume that skaters using pop music are all trying so hard to be 'edgy and current'? A lot of skaters are young people who probably listen to pop music and like it. It's not exactly surprising that they'd start using it when lyrics were allowed.

I also disagree with the premise that the best programs are the instrumental ones. There are plenty of bad programs to pop songs and plenty of boring programs to classical music where the skater doesn't bring anything to the table. And there are some amazing, beautiful instrumental programs, but also some amazing programs featuring lyrics. My absolute favourite men's program this year was Dmitri Aliev's To Build A Home, for example.
 
I'm a purist :drama:

There have been some wonderful programs with lyrics, like Carolina's SP, Papadakis/Cizeron's Build a Home, etc.

I find that usually the acoustics in arena aren't conducive to good vocal clarity; same thing with electric guitar. It sounds muddled with the echo in big arenas. And usually you either need a very strong personality to out compete the singer or incredible artistic feeling so it seems as though you're speaking through your movements. Most people do not. Vocals don't carry you in the way other music can. A half-assed job looks worse with vocals and they easily run the risk of looking tacky/cheesy. In my opinion, Nathan's long had much more moving music than his short, although his short was better choreographed. I do love me some Benjamin Clementine though. As I said, with ice dance and pairs it's easier because there are two performers competing with one vocal or trying to tell a story together.

I'm sorry, but I think a tango to Lady Gaga and her ilk is silly (sorry Topaz, I'm really not trying to pick on you here :shuffle:). I felt the same way about the V/M and P/C short dances this year, and I thought Hubbell/Donahue's hip hop short dance from last year was downright cringe worthy. If I want to watch good hip hop or pop performances, I'll watch them. I don't need the Ersatz on Ice version. I think skating looks best when it works with its medium rather than against it. See: Yuzu's Chopin, Aljona and Bruno's long, P/C's Moonlight Sonata, etc.

I do agree with Gabby that latin dance is hard to translate onto the ice and ends up looking cheesy most of the time. Tango is one of the few ODs that can really use the full potential of the ice to show forceful movement and I'd hate for a bunch of cheesy pop-tango-lite versions to show up. I want the real deal; suave, smokey Argentinian underground dance vibes :skandal:smokin::psoty:, not Tango Spice and The Bachelorette Party Girls.

Also no need to explain to me what the youths are doing, I am indeed one myself. However, no self respecting hipster ~a e s t h e t i c ~ still listens to Ed Sheeran and Imagine Dragons; these skaters must get out more if that's what they're still listening to! :saint:
 
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triple_toe said:
Dear god, no Lady Gaga :yikes:

I'm so tired of these shitty pop songs being used in skating now. They're all so try hard and wannabe "edgy" and "current." Use some damn tango music. Download a Piazzolla CD, there's so more much than Adiós Nonino. Go to Argentina, buy a CD off a local musician. Find the score to some art house film that has a tango rhythm. Finding some vaguely tango-ish pop song so you can be ~different~ is almost as trite and lazy and just grabbing someone's used Libertango cd from the rink's lost and found.

I'm happy that people are no longer getting penalized for vocals, but the best programs are still the instrumental ones. It's not so bad in dance, but in singles the skater is often competing (and losing) to the vocalist for star of the show. Plus I always get this vague sense akin to watching a mom trying to "get down with the kids" at a party when I see skaters using mainstream hits. It doesn't make skating more approachable, it just makes it embarrassing to watch. :drama:
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I am in total agreement. I personally like traditional and old shool for tangos.

Cell block Tango still gives me nightmares.
 
A good idea would be to explore movies with tango sountracks besides the obvious Chicago.
For example here's a list with some extracts:
Tango in the movies

Another direction could be going towards tangos with electronic influences. Gotan Project is the first group that comes to my mind, but other good ones are Electrocutango, Bajofondo, etc.
 
For the pattern dance, the music will need to be a steady 112 bpm. For the rest of the program, more flexibility will be possible. Keep that in mind when making suggestions.
 
Twilight1 said:
I am in total agreement. I personally like traditional and old shool for tangos.

Cell block Tango still gives me nightmares.
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Yes, traditional tango music is in my opinion the way to go with this short dance selection. I was actually disappointed with some of the short dance music selections in the 2017-2018 as they weren't authentic latin music.
 
I’m all for authenticity, but there genuinely is a really great Tango remix of Lady Gaga’s ‘Telephone’ :D

I wanted Tango for the Olympic SD initially but on second thoughts it could have been really repetitive. I hope a few teams try to find something a bit different instead of everyone settling for Libertango...
 
Papadakis and Cizeron...they're the team i'm most eager to see. This does not suite them naturally. I do like Oksana and Evgeni here. Those turns are so damn clean and the attitude is right. Evgeni is good here as well. Their patterns however let you know how far dance has come.

How many key points will there be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruSiVW1giM
 
arakwafan2006 said:
Papadakis and Cizeron...they're the team i'm most eager to see. This does not suite them naturally. I do like Oksana and Evgeni here. Those turns are so damn clean and the attitude is right. Evgeni is good here as well. Their patterns however let you know how far dance has come.

How many key points will there be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruSiVW1giM
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Wouldn't it be fascinating if PC used, Tango de Roxanne as their music???? (This is being said somewhat jokingly.).
 
arakwafan2006 said:
Papadakis and Cizeron...they're the team i'm most eager to see. This does not suite them naturally. I do like Oksana and Evgeni here. Those turns are so damn clean and the attitude is right. Evgeni is good here as well. Their patterns however let you know how far dance has come.

How many key points will there be?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruSiVW1giM
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2 patterns, back to back, 4 key points

https://www.isu.org/inside-single-p...ications-fs/16863-isu-communication-2148/file
 
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