2026 Olys Free Dance PBP - Whale, Are We Ready For Some Bull Sheet Scores?

I'm not sure who the commentator is on NBC this morning. I just heard him say that FB/C won the gold medal "despite some mistakes in their Free Dance. I know that nothing can be done. So be it.

However, I'm not blind and I know damn good ice skating when I see it. To me, both Piper and Paul, and Evan and Maddie had what I call "Gold Medal Skates"

It just made me feel better when even the NBC commentator said the phrase, "despite mistakes".
 
A petition has been started on Change.org to investigate the French judge involved in the free dance. Per Newsweek:

"Yet despite their errors, a French judge awarded them a score nearly eight points higher than the Americans. In fact, five out of the nine judges favored Chock and Bates, but they missed out on gold by 1.43 points.

The French judge's scorecard stands out as a clear outlier, ultimately giving Beaudry and Cizeron just enough to edge out the other judges' scores."

Of course, it will go nowhere, but still.

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I just found it. Thank you.

 
A petition has been started on Change.org to investigate the French judge involved in the free dance. Per Newsweek:

"Yet despite their errors, a French judge awarded them a score nearly eight points higher than the Americans. In fact, five out of the nine judges favored Chock and Bates, but they missed out on gold by 1.43 points.

The French judge's scorecard stands out as a clear outlier, ultimately giving Beaudry and Cizeron just enough to edge out the other judges' scores."

Of course, it will go nowhere, but still.

"https://www.newsweek.com/sports/oly...aem_QTMl61y7-SgeKwJIRx84bA#Echobox=1770887374
This has happened from the beginning of time and Canadian and US judges are sometimes the most outrageous offenders when it comes to their own and pushing down other countries.

Moreover, if the score is wildly out of line (as often it is with national bias), most of those extreme GOE/PCS will be thrown out as the outliers that don’t count, which doesn’t seem to be emphasized at all as opposed to a judge just solely lifting a team to a win.
 
I’ve read this opinion from several different posters, that the matador/bull program was a miss. Honest question, what type of program/music would you suggest CB had used instead?
A different concept to better music. On paper this wasn't a bad idea and absolutely in their wheel house. But in short I think Maddie got too caught up in the concept and especially the costumes that she couldn't see the forest for the tree.

Concept programs like the Snake and the Alien were much more successful for them because it plays to their strengths: Maddie the seductress, Evan the seduced. The Yin to her Yang. You know, opposites attract type of concept programs.

But I don't think they managed that here. At all. I was fully behind the two programs I mentioned above. But here I couldn't get away from the impression that Evan couldn't capture the essence of the bull and Maddie and her skirt became just a difficult prop to manage and never rose to the occasion of what it could have been choreographically. I just think they tried to do too much and didn't pull it off.
 
A petition has been started on Change.org to investigate the French judge involved in the free dance. Per Newsweek:

"Yet despite their errors, a French judge awarded them a score nearly eight points higher than the Americans. In fact, five out of the nine judges favored Chock and Bates, but they missed out on gold by 1.43 points.

The French judge's scorecard stands out as a clear outlier, ultimately giving Beaudry and Cizeron just enough to edge out the other judges' scores."

Of course, it will go nowhere, but still.

"https://www.newsweek.com/sports/oly...aem_QTMl61y7-SgeKwJIRx84bA#Echobox=1770887374
:rofl: It's 2018 all over again but in reverse.
 
Funny I said to my husband, kind of in jest, before the ice dance event even started that I wondered what kind of deal making the French Federation was up to behind the scenes….and what the French judge would be up to on the panel if one was drawn. But I really didn’t think the French judge would be so blatant to score FB&C approx. eight points higher than C&B, in the wake of the French team making visible errors on elements.
 
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A different concept to better music. On paper this wasn't a bad idea and absolutely in their wheel house. But in short I think Maddie got too caught up in the concept and especially the costumes that she couldn't see the forest for the tree.

Concept programs like the Snake and the Alien were much more successful for them because it plays to their strengths: Maddie the seductress, Evan the seduced. The Yin to her Yang. You know, opposites attract type of concept programs.

But I don't think they managed that here. At all. I was fully behind the two programs I mentioned above. But here I couldn't get away from the impression that Evan couldn't capture the essence of the bull and Maddie and her skirt became just a difficult prop to manage and never rose to the occasion of what it could have been choreographically. I just think they tried to do too much and didn't pull it off.
I understand the point you're making, except I'm not Canadian. I feel that maybe there are other members that aren't Canadian feel the same as I do. IMO, Piper and Paul's and Maddie and Evan's programs were exceptional. I can't understand how a team that makes obvious mistakes won Gold.

Sorry, wasn't responding to you, Marbri. I was trying to reply to @tony
 
This has happened from the beginning of time and Canadian and US judges are sometimes the most outrageous offenders when it comes to their own and pushing down other countries.

Moreover, if the score is wildly out of line (as often it is with national bias), most of those extreme GOE/PCS will be thrown out as the outliers that don’t count, which doesn’t seem to be emphasized at all as opposed to a judge just solely lifting a team to a win.
I understand the point you're making, except I'm not Canadian. I feel that maybe there are other members that aren't Canadian feel the same as I do. IMO, Piper and Paul's and Maddie and Evan's programs were exceptional. I can't understand how a team that makes obvious mistakes won Gold.

Sorry about posting this twice.
 
I understand the point you're making, except I'm not Canadian. I feel that maybe there are other members that aren't Canadian feel the same as I do. IMO, Piper and Paul's and Maddie and Evan's programs were exceptional. I can't understand how a team that makes obvious mistakes won Gold.

Sorry about posting this twice.
I didn’t say anything about anyone being Canadian :confused:
 
I understand the point you're making, except I'm not Canadian. I feel that maybe there are other members that aren't Canadian feel the same as I do. IMO, Piper and Paul's and Maddie and Evan's programs were exceptional. I can't understand how a team that makes obvious mistakes won Gold.
What in my response to the question asked has anything to do with being Canadian?

eta... I just saw your correction :lol: I was quite confused ;)
 
:rofl: It's 2018 all over again but in reverse.
It's 2002. There's an evil French judge, a 5-4 panel decision that went in favor of the artsy Euros WITH A VISIBLE BOBBLE instead of the accessible clean North Americans who are also a married couple in luuuuuuvvvvv, and clearly the scoring system must be scrapped because the fix is in!

ETA: though Chock woudn't have worn that blah black and gray costume Sale had in a million years.
 
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I didn’t say anything about anyone being Canadian :confused:
Tony, please forgive me. I re-read what you stated. That's what I get for not having my morning cup of coffee! A million apologies!
 
It’s wild that Cizeron lost gold to a returning team in 2018 and now he takes gold as a returning team in 2026.

Also that Chock/Bates won many competitions with mistakes and are beaten here by a team that made mistakes while they skated clean.

I can barely wrap my head around it when I think about it. :lol:
Agree.

But clean is relative right? And let's not get into the GOE that ChSt from C/B get. I have second hand embarrassment watching it. :lol:
 
It's 2002. There's an evil French judge, a 5-4 panel decision that went in favor of the artsy Euros WITH A VISIBLE BOBBLE instead of the accessible clean North Americans who are also a married couple in luuuuuuvvvvv, and clearly the scoring system must be scrapped because the fix is in!
No because that was a tit for tat between pairs and dance. Or so the legend goes ;)
 
I'm so glad I missed all this. :saint:

I did enjoy the first two groups. Bekker & Hernandez are the bees knees! So glad Harris and Chan got into the FD and skated so well! Hate Matrix but glad Taschlers regained their footing a bit. Generally I don't like bringing back programs but I loved seeing Perfume again!
 
It's 2002. There's an evil French judge, a 5-4 panel decision that went in favor of the artsy Euros WITH A VISIBLE BOBBLE instead of the accessible clean North Americans who are also a married couple in luuuuuuvvvvv, and clearly the scoring system must be scrapped because the fix is in!

ETA: though Chock woudn't have worn that blah black and gray costume Sale had in a million years.

ETA: Correct, she would have come dressed as a snowball so Evan could toss her around in the air and then chuck her at the French judge.
 
It’s wild that Cizeron lost gold to a returning team in 2018 and now he takes gold as a returning team in 2026.

Also that Chock/Bates won many competitions with mistakes and are beaten here by a team that made mistakes while they skated clean.

I can barely wrap my head around it when I think about it. :lol:
When a skater/team are winning everything in the quad leading up to the Olympics, they and their fans assume they'll win the OGM. They become a little entitled and complacent. Human nature. Then oops. We've seen this happen over and over and the reactions are always exactly the same. :lol: Excuses are made: it has to be something other than that upstart was just a little better in that competition.

This is the risk Malinin will face. Winning other comps can be a real problem when you get to the Olympics.
 
Don`t have the strength to go through whole thread. Just a mention of the Italians - for 2 reasons. First, they delivered an emotional, lovely skate (their programs have recieved a lot of cirticism this year). Second, their grace towards towards Pier/Paul. Particularly Marco showed he understood what this meant to the Canadians. No bitterness to their rival.

Are they retiring this year as well?
Totally agree with this. It was a really special moment. I think they have similarities of being "dumped" by judges at various times....but a very nice moment to witness for sure!
 
I rewatched the big 3 with my other half last night. The first thing he said when he saw FB/C is "wow, their basic skating and edge quality is massively better than the other 2 teams." On rewatch, I had to agree even if I didn't think the result was correct on the first watch. On the second watch, Cizeron's errors barely had an impact. I was a big fan of LFB and PapCiz and while I have hugely negative feelings surrounding everything behind the formation of FB/C, I can't deny that they are simply the best of the field. I thought Piper and Paul had made a mistake reprising Vincent but they did in fact have the emotional "Olympic" performance of the night.
 
I'm just looking at the FD scores, haven't watched, but what I see is that .46 of a point divided FB&C from C&B. What I infer from this is that either the judges regarded the teams as being fairly equal overall or FB&C had significant mistakes to allow C&B to come so close to them.
 
I’ve read this opinion from several different posters, that the matador/bull program was a miss. Honest question, what type of program/music would you suggest CB had used instead?
Given his increasing lack of upper body flexibility, which makes sense since he has been having back issues and he has been at Olympic level for 16 years at 36, I think they either needed to go back to where she, not the damn costume, was the focus, and the character or person he was striving for and intentionally enabling to shine, or to go in an unusual and surprising direction for them. If they were going to do Flamenco-lite, pick decent Flamenco lite music in the Nyah vein; otherwise there are many real and hybrid Flamenco pieces that would have worked better to showcase her. Their music sounded contrived.

Her movements needed to be crisp and clear and her lines unobscured for them to have physical impact, IMO. If they’d run out of gimmicky concepts like their previous ones, they, of all people, could have gone for big romantic sweep and drama in a more traditional style, possibly waltz-based, because they have emotional connection, something that FB/C don’t have, and a different kind than G/F and C/P, who skated before them, do, plus she can bring the :drama:, while the other teams were going for equal, matchy-matchy, and temperamentally balanced. He could have done the trick they relied upon for years, where he did small, quick lifts around the outer curves, so that she didn’t have to skate them, and it would have been romantic and effective and made her look as sweeping and fast as he.

There was too much staccato stuff in the program — and there are many Flamenco styles that are not staccato, even if the timing and movement are sharp and precise, and the footwork is just a part of the program — and if you’re not that fast or technically precise on the blades, which has never been their calling card, it makes the movement look small.

The programs that were more open moved. C/B played catch-up from behind the 8-ball with their programs for several years, and they came close this season, but another strategy is to start with the bones and embellish as the season goes on, which is more easily done in an open style.

I think the bottom line is that going for an OGM where your best hope is that FB/C make one giant visible mistake like Fear’s and drop out of real contention or not gel in the first place, is not a winning strategy. Picking material that showcases your strengths and hides your weaknesses as much as possible— you can’t skip twizzles — is, and their program was a mixed bag, especially at this stage in their career.

About FB/C winning with mistakes, this isn’t 6.0: it’s an additive system. They can gain points in one thing to make up for what they lose in another. It was very close, and Cizeron was extremely lucky that the severity of his twizzle slip wasn’t visible head on, or they likely would not have won, based on what the replay showed from behind.
 
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A petition has been started on Change.org to investigate the French judge involved in the free dance. Per Newsweek:

"Yet despite their errors, a French judge awarded them a score nearly eight points higher than the Americans. In fact, five out of the nine judges favored Chock and Bates, but they missed out on gold by 1.43 points.

The French judge's scorecard stands out as a clear outlier, ultimately giving Beaudry and Cizeron just enough to edge out the other judges' scores."

Of course, it will go nowhere, but still.

"https://www.newsweek.com/sports/oly...aem_QTMl61y7-SgeKwJIRx84bA#Echobox=1770887374
Where is the petition against the Spanish judge? I think s/he was watching an entirely different competition
 

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