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The Skating Session - S2E10 - Grand Prix #4 - NHK Trophy Competition Review​


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We tried to make the ep a little shorter, but then we talked about Ice Dance for an hour. :lol:
 
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The Skating Session - S2E10 - Grand Prix #4 - NHK Trophy Competition Review​


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We tried to make the ep a little shorter, but then we talked about Ice Dance for an hour. :lol:
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Great for me then. I love deep dives into ice dance :D
 
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The Skating Session - S2E10 - Grand Prix #4 - NHK Trophy Competition Review​


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We tried to make the ep a little shorter, but then we talked about Ice Dance for an hour.

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How can anyone not talk about Ice dance for an hour!
 
Hi Tomas and Tony, may I ask from your professional perspective, why was Caroline Green´s TW downgraded to Level 2?
 
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Hi Tomas and Tony, may I ask from your professional perspective, why was Caroline Green´s TW downgraded to Level 2?
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In the 2nd set of twizzles, Green has two errors, each resulting in a loss of level:
  • She turns the last half of the rotation into a pirouette, which results in the loss of 1 level.
  • She loses balance on that same twizzle at the end which causes her foot coming down to regain balance, resulting in the loss of 1 level. (Compare it to Parsons, whose free leg is extended out at the end of this set.)
So, even though she completes the necessary 4 rotations for Level 4 in the 2nd set before these errors, it doesn't matter, the level drops still apply. (This 2nd set is 4.5 rotations, entering forward and exiting backward, with these errors occurring in the last half rotation.)

A team could do 8 rotations in a set, and if these errors were to occur at the end of that set, the level drops would still apply. The rules aren't setup to give "forgiveness" to skaters for errors that occur outside of the required rotations for levels, which I agree with. It prevents teams from building in "fail safes" in elements by doing extra rotations.
 
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In the 2nd set of twizzles, Green has two errors, each resulting in a loss of level:
  • She turns the last half of the rotation into a pirouette, which results in the loss of 1 level.
  • She loses balance on that same twizzle at the end which causes her foot coming down to regain balance, resulting in the loss of 1 level. (Compare it to Parsons, whose free leg is extended out at the end of this set.)
So, even though she completes the necessary 4 rotations for Level 4 in the 2nd set before these errors, it doesn't matter, the level drops still apply. (This 2nd set is 4.5 rotations, entering forward and exiting backward, with these errors occurring in the last half rotation.)

A team could do 8 rotations in a set, and if these errors were to occur at the end of that set, the level drops would still apply. The rules aren't setup to give "forgiveness" to skaters for errors that occur outside of the required rotations for levels, which I agree with. It prevents teams from building in "fail safes" in elements by doing extra rotations.
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Thank you so much for the explaination!
 
On fsreddit people mentioned that retrogressions may cause the problems in the step sequences for the dance teams. There was an update back in August of Communication 2704, where the IDTC clarified that difficult turns are not counted anymore for levels if they are executed during a retrogression.

If possible, could you maybe explain this a bit more in your next podcast?
 
Thanks guys! It was so interesting to hear Tony’s experience as a spectator at this event! And I am so glad I’m not the only one who was unimpressed with Gabrielle Papadakis’s commentary. In fact I found it downright annoying.
 
Laura4 said:
Thanks guys! It was so interesting to hear Tony’s experience as a spectator at this event! And I am so glad I’m not the only one who was unimpressed with Gabrielle Papadakis’s commentary. In fact I found it downright annoying.
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NBC better rethink their commentators. I like Terry G, always have but Johnny, Tara, and Gabby have to go! I have been reading some really negative feedback on TwitterX. Johnny went too far.
Really enjoyed the podcast! I subscribed. Amazing how much I appreciated their analysis of stuff. In total agreement about C/B.
 
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NBC better rethink their commentators. I like Terry G, always have but Johnny, Tara, and Gabby have to go! I have been reading some really negative feedback on TwitterX. Johnny went too far.
Really enjoyed the podcast! I subscribed. Amazing how much I appreciated their analysis of stuff. In total agreement about C/B.
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Totally agree! I was thinking back to the Junior Grand Prix and how pleasant Ted Barton and Mark Hanretty's commentary sounded in comparison to the above.
 
Hey Tony and Thomas, just want to say how much I enjoy your show and how quickly you get the episodes onto Spotify. I enjoy listening to you guys on my commute to work.
I appreciated your words about Liv and Luke. Some people have been saying they're no good, or won't last long, well maybe they won't, but I enjoy their skating and their energy quite a bit. And they are young!
I also think the Georgians are a legit threat for the Olympic podium. I remember Luke saying that Nastya won't let him quit unless she gets a gold medal, haha.
 
Thank you guys for another great episode!

I'm grateful that Thomas explained L/B's StaLi1 in the FD, but I'm still a little bit confused. I believe they are going for the change of pose feature, and the second pose is the lower one after he dropped and caught her again? Why is this pose considered not established? I went back to watch Cup of China where they got a Level 4 for this lift. It seems that he did drop her a little earlier and catch her a little lower this time, but not too much different from COC? And what is the difficult position for the lifting partner in this lift? Thank you so much in advance!
 
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SOS Ice Dance Judging - S2E12 - Special Episode on Finlandia Trophy Rhythm Dance & Reaction​


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Thanks for explaining how Piper Gilles' twizzles ended up being called Base. I went from thinking I had a reasonable (if potentially a little out-dated) grasp of the levels to being mystified, but now I at least see where it came from.
 
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So many rants, so many feelings. :lol:
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Great recap. I feel today you're expressing the twin poles of skating fandom: @tony is just Tired, and @thvu is rotating wildly through the AI Emotions Wheel.
 
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The Skating Session - S2E11 - Grand Prix #5 - Skate America Competition Review​


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Just listened to this, and noted with pleasure that someone finally said the quiet part about Chock & Bates out loud.

I attended also, and actually sat directly in front of Tony one day at dance practice.
 
I cant tell you how much I enjoy nitpicking 1 item of minutia like the skating version of the Zapruder film. I dont have the attention span for a whole event recap.
 
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totally agree about Jimmy Ma's program. I thought I was going to see a fun program and there was NOTHING in it. Adam was completely wrong. It will not be a moment at Nationals unless he ups the choreo.
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I think it's even stranger if you are outside the US and rarely see Ma's skating. I read on here about how he does these awesome programs but on the rare occasions he skates in something available to view outside the US I don't see anything in them at all, and whilst in the past I've been able to see how there might be some charisma when well skated, this time I was just baffled by both the concept and the lack of any attempt at performance.
 
it's cringey, bad, and the more I think about it possibly offensive and would be a better exhibition if it must exist. though really just repeat that one program that went viral since he seems to have been chasing that ever since
 
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