No-Longer-Prince Andrew

[Karen-W]

Wow. This is as bold and decisive statement I think I've ever seen from the Royal Family - calling it fact that he continues to deny as much as says that Charles believes he's guilty. I'm glad this is the moment he (or they, inc Camilla and William) chose to do the right thing.

No, it doesn't say anything about what Charles personally believes regarding Andrew's guilt or innocence. All it says is that, at this point, what is known is enough to warrant the censure & forced removal from Royal Lodge. There's plenty there - what with both Andrew & Sarah lying about their continued Epstein contact & private support post-2011 not just to the public but also, in all likelihood, to their families. The problem with Andrew & Sarah at this point is that they simply cannot be trusted to be straight even with the monarch or their own daughters. My understanding is that William's major concern is that Andrew & Sarah are NOT being honest and there is more that will drop, possibly during William's reign. Dealing with Andrew's style, titles & honours NOW at least removes the Royal Family from further criticism by the public and puts a pause on any further calls to end the monarchy.

Also, it clearly says "private" accommodation - is Sandringham considered private while the Lodge and Frogmore are not?

The problem with Royal Lodge and Frogmore Cottage or any other private accommodations available in Windsor Great Park is that they're in Windsor which is oh-so-convenient for the British media. Tramping up to Sandringham (or Balmoral or the UAE had he been banished to either of those places) means there simply won't be many photographers & media looking for easy, clickbait photos of Andrew horseback riding, walking or driving around Windsor. I'd guess Andrew will still be allowed to have his hunting parties up at Sandringham and it's not so far from London that his daughters & their families can't go up there for a visit far more easily than if he were at Balmoral.

 

[Jenny]

I do think though that the combination of saying it's "fact" that he's denying something in such a short statement, along with a statement in support of victims, says so much - and so much more than has been officially said before.

I do wonder if Andrew will want to be in one of Charles' homes though - can't imagine how awkward that would be for the family and for anyone who works there. But then again, Andrew has shown himself to be stupid and stubborn, so who knows.

Guess these leaves Fergie out on the streets at this point too.

 

[Karen-W]

I do think though that the combination of saying it's "fact" that he's denying something in such a short statement, along with a statement in support of victims, says so much - and so much more than has been officially said before.

It's hard to say. Virginia Guiffre was proven to be a liar with some of the other people she accused (Alan Dershowitz) and Andrew allegedly wanted to take her to court to prove his innocence but didn't because the royal family/firm did not want that circus marring the Queen's Platinum Jubilee celebrations. None of the other women that allegedly engaged in any relations with Andrew courtesy of Epstein have come forward to accuse him.

Mind, I think Andrew probably was a disgusting perv who did what he was accused of by Guiffre - but that's mainly because he's continued to lie about his contact, interactions and support of Epstein after he was released from jail 15 years ago. It's hard to believe anything Andrew says.

I do wonder if Andrew will want to be in one of Charles' homes though - can't imagine how awkward that would be for the family and for anyone who works there. But then again, Andrew has shown himself to be stupid and stubborn, so who knows.

Well, free is free and there are plenty of other houses, large ones at that, on the Sandringham estate, so I'm sure Andrew will be just fine and dandy with it. One option I heard yesterday was Wood Farm, which was Prince Philip's former home at Sandringham.

Guess these leaves Fergie out on the streets at this point too.

Nah, she'll land on her feet. Beatrice & Eugenie have enough money to make sure their mother has adequate accommodations.

 

[Vagabond]

Well, he could have.

As a victim of sibling sexual abuse, I can tell you that things are not as easy as you make them out to be.

 

[Wyliefan]

As a victim of sibling sexual abuse, I can tell you that that things are not as easy as you make them out to be.

I'm sorry, @Vagabond, I didn't mean to be flippant or to cause you any pain. Only to say that he made some horrible choices.

 

[MsZem]

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, born with all the privilege in the world, and all he had to do to keep it was not be a sexual predator who cosies up to the worst people imaginable. Incredible that this was too much to ask.

My heart goes out to those he hurt.

 

[rfisher]

Huh. Now that Andrew has lost much of what he wanted to keep, I wonder if he'll do a tell all book and name "those other people" desperately trying to avoid this happening to them. He's got nothing to lose by doing so and would have an instant best seller.

 

[Winnipeg]

Juan Carlos now lives in private luxury in the UAE. It's been reported that apparently Andrew (and probably Sarah) have a similar offer but they're loathe to leave the UK because of their daughters and grandchildren.

They should have thought of that before they behaved in such inappropriate ways. They should have known better.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Huh. Now that Andrew has lost much of what he wanted to keep, I wonder if he'll do a tell all book and name "those other people" desperately trying to avoid this happening to them. He's got nothing to lose by doing so and would have an instant best seller.

He’s make a lot more money keeping quiet, following in the footsteps of his great friend Epstein, master blackmailer.

 

[Tesla]

I wonder how sick Charles really is. I wonder if this is being done now so that William won’t have to deal with it.

 

[taf2002]

Andrew likely has some inheritance from the Queen.

My understanding is that money is long gone. Otherwise one would think he would spend some money on upkeep.

But I think William is a pill. He's pushing Charles to do things that he needs to wait until Charles is gone. QE2 didn't have to put up with Charles nagging her & with Charles sick William shouldn't hound his father either. I've read he wants Harry to lose his title. They can take Duke of Sussex away from him but the fact remains Harry was born a prince & he really hasn't done a thing in a couple of years for William to complain about. He comes off as petty.

@Tesla I wonder how sick Charles really is. I wonder if this is being done now so that William won’t have to deal with it.

I think William loves power.

 

[once_upon]

He’s make a lot more money keeping quiet, following in the footsteps of his great friend Epstein, master blackmailer.

It's best he watch the landscape very closely or he might have Epstein's fate.

 

[MsZem]

But I think William is a pill. He's pushing Charles to do things that he needs to wait until Charles is gone. QE2 didn't have to put up with Charles nagging her & with Charles sick William shouldn't hound his father either. I've read he wants Harry to lose his title. They can take Duke of Sussex away from him but the fact remains Harry was born a prince & he really hasn't done a thing in a couple of years for William to complain about. He comes off as petty.

@Tesla I wonder how sick Charles really is. I wonder if this is being done now so that William won’t have to deal with it.

I think William loves power.

I think Andrew did things that are beyond the pale and deserves to lose his titles.

Harry married an American and wrote a memoir. Nobody is going to take away his titles for that.

 

[taf2002]

I think Andrew did things that are beyond the pale and deserves to lose his titles.

Harry married an American and wrote a memoir. Nobody is going to take away his titles for that.

William wants to, if what I read is correct.

 

[Vagabond]

I do wonder if Andrew will want to be in one of Charles' homes though - can't imagine how awkward that would be for the family and for anyone who works there.

It beats council housing or sleeping rough on the streets of London.

 

[purple skates]

William wants to, if what I read is correct.

If he did, that would make him seem too petty, IMO. Then again, I’m not a royal so my opinion doesn’t matter.

I’m really glad they took this step against Randy Andy, as he was known back in the 80’s(ish)

 

[Karen-W]

One could make the argument that Charles dealing with the Harry question now rather than leaving it to William for handle is precisely what should happen.

Look at how BP tried, late last week, to spin this Andrew situation as something that QEII didn't deal with while she was alive. While that, rightly, fell flat, the plain & simple truth is that no one thought, 30+ years ago when Andrew & Sarah divorced that they'd wind up caught in such an unsavory mess with a villain like Epstein. Harry & Meghan are in the exact same position as the Yorks were 30+ years ago and, as long as they continue to fail at their various media & business ventures, increasingly cash-strapped. Meghan loves her luxury brand lifestyle as much as the Yorks always have. Furthermore, the Sussexes honored Tyler Perry as one of Lilibet's godparents. If you follow celebrity gossip & news in any way, you'll know that Tyler Perry has a lot of ugly rumors surrounding him. Like Sean Combs, he's on top of the world and untouchable until he is no longer on top of the world & untouchable. I'd be very concerned about who the Sussexes, especially Meghan, have close ties & associations with in Hollywood. Distancing the British Royal Family from those people of questionable moral & ethical standards now rather than waiting for another Andrew-esque scandal to emerge, likely during William's reign, is a far better path to take than burying one's head in the sand and believing it won't happen. Harry isn't smart enough to prevent it from happening.

Charles needs to be like Margarethe II of Denmark and strip his younger son's grandchildren of their HRH Prince/Princess titles now and go down this same Royal Warrant pathway of removing Harry's peerages that he's embarking upon with Andrew.

 

[Prancer]

Do we now refer to him as The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince?

 

[Barbara Manatee]

I wonder how sick Charles really is. I wonder if this is being done now so that William won’t have to deal with it.

I think it was done now because of all the new and sordid revelations (with probably more to come). The media and public were not going to let go of Andrew emailing Epstein that he's eager to "play some more soon" or Fergie calling him a dear supreme friend. Charles had to act now or Andrew was going to overshadow whatever is left of his reign. Plus he is probably as disgusted as the rest of us are.

If William did urge his father to strip this unrepentant liar and sexual abuser of his high honors and great public privileges, I say good for him. Abuse victims and their families should not be asked to wait for justice.

 

[kwanfan1818]

William wants to, if what I read is correct.

The reasoning is quite clear in the statement [emphasis mine]:

These censures are deemed necessary, notwithstanding the fact that he continues to deny the allegations against him.

Their Majesties wish to make clear that their thoughts and utmost sympathies have been, and will remain with, the victims and survivors of any and all forms of abuse.

The statement is not "I'm removing the titles of my child to censure him for no longer being a working Royal." That doesn't mean a future statement isn't possible, and that King Charles might couple the two together, but that would be a horrendous look, at least in the same patent letter.

I think William should do the deed when he becomes King, if that's what he wants. That could be the plan, for the father to act on the criminal brother when their mother would not, and the son to act on a different principle.

 

[Karen-W]

I think William should do the deed when he becomes King, if that's what he wants. That could be the plan, for the father to act on the criminal brother when their mother would not, and the son to act on a different principle.

I could see that line of reasoning for not taking action to strip Harry of his titles & honors at this time and it may very well be how it all plays out.

 

[puglover]

Today on Palace Confidential Jo Elvin had only one guest, Andrew Lownie, the author of the newly published "The Rise and Fall of the House of York". It was a no holds barred program and one thing that I found interesting was the strong opinion the author had that at least Andrew will actually be forced to leave the UK altogether. I have always had such a soft spot for Beatrice and Eugenie and he is pretty harsh on them. I never thought they had a very enviable life at all so I sincerely hope they are not just being lumped in because of the wrongdoings of their parents.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Lownie also wrote "Traitor King" about the Duke (and Dutchess) of Windsor. He may be seeing parallels here, or he may be unduly influenced by the Windsors' enforced exile. (Although part of that is they didn't want to pay income tax anywhere.)

 

[Karen-W]

Today on Palace Confidential Jo Elvin had only one guest, Andrew Lownie, the author of the newly published "The Rise and Fall of the House of York". It was a no holds barred program and one thing that I found interesting was the strong opinion the author had that at least Andrew will actually be forced to leave the UK altogether. I have always had such a soft spot for Beatrice and Eugenie and he is pretty harsh on them. I never thought they had a very enviable life at all so I sincerely hope they are not just being lumped in because of the wrongdoings of their parents.

Lownie also wrote "Traitor King" about the Duke (and Dutchess) of Windsor. He may be seeing parallels here, or he may be unduly influenced by the Windsors' enforced exile. (Although part of that is they didn't want to pay income tax anywhere.)

Lownie was on Dan Wootton's podcast earlier this week or late last week (can't recall when, but within the last 2 weeks) and he was saying he believes Andrew could wind up in prison. He was unkind, at best, about Beatrice & Eugenie on that appearance also. He has real concerns about the use of their bank accounts when Andrew & Sarah were grifting hard, plus their relationships with some Middle Eastern banks.

 

[canbelto]

Both Andrew and Fergie have made bad decision upon bad decision. They'll probably live in some old castle somewhere though. The BRF just has too many of those places lying around.

I do think there might be some revelations that are already circling privately and the BRF wanted to be a step ahead.

 

[three fingered jack]

If the Dems can get the Epstein files released in the U.S., & they can bring charges against Andrew regarding this matter, it will be interesting to see if the U.S., would try to extridite him for trial.

Perhaps, if this situation arose, Andrew would try to strike a deal to avoid extradition, a "tell all".

Is it "Mr. Windsor" now? Saw an article about him entitled, "From Prince to Pauper".

Also, will he now have to provide his own security/personal protection?

 

[puglover]

How much actual security does he have? If it is true that even Princess Anne only has royal protection when she is conducting visits on behalf of the monarch, he would not seem to qualify. I believe Royal Lodge is within the corridor of protected royal residences as are the horse riding trails he has enjoyed.

 

[Karen-W]

If the Dems can get the Epstein files released in the U.S., & they can bring charges against Andrew regarding this matter, it will be interesting to see if the U.S., would try to extridite him for trial.

Perhaps, if this situation arose, Andrew would try to strike a deal to avoid extradition, a "tell all".

Is it "Mr. Windsor" now? Saw an article about him entitled, "From Prince to Pauper".

Also, will he now have to provide his own security/personal protection?

If the Epstein files get released, there are FAR bigger fish who will fry & be pursued by the FBI & DOJ than Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. I'm with those who believe Andrew is a minor player in the Epstein scandal, but a well-known enough name to sweve as a distraction & scalp for the general public while the rest of the vile cretin who flew on Epstein's plane to his island slither away from any scrutiny or outcry.

 

[Orm Irian]

Is it "Mr. Windsor" now? Saw an article about him entitled, "From Prince to Pauper".

Mr Mountbatten-Windsor. Phil the Dill chucked a tanty back in the day about having to give up his surname if he married Liz, and she hyphenated rather than hurt his feefees.

 

[marbri]

William wants to, if what I read is correct.

It's been clear from some time you read very specific sources

What I saw on the actual news when it was first announced that Andrew would no longer USE his royal titles was that there were those in GOVERNMENT who didn't think it went far enough, that they felt he should be stripped of his titles.

Today there is this headline:

Government ‘warmly welcomes’ move to make Andrew an ‘ordinary member of the public’ – UK politics live

Chris Bryant also suggests Andrew should comply with any US Senate requests to travel to America to face questions about the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein

www.theguardian.com

"Government ‘warmly welcomes’ move to make Andrew an ‘ordinary member of the public’ – UK politics live"

Which to me is more indicative of those in government wanting Andrew 100% out then "what William wants, William gets".

On the flip side I do think, or rather wouldn't be surprised, if in the future we get a slimmed down more European style of royalty. And in that situation the American wing could well lose their prince/ss in the same way the Danish queen stripped half of her grandchildren of royal titles. But I think Charles will clearly leave that for William to do.