2025 ISU GPF Ice Dance Free Dance - Have No Fear Shawn’s Not Here

I didn't think the skirt length wasn't too bad. It looks like she caught the back of the blade on it.
Yeah. Seems like a typical skirt length for ice dance. It's just an inch or two below her knees and on the Finlandia podium doesn't look any longer than Piper's skirt. I just think it was like one of those freak toe pick type moments that can happen to anyone
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Now I do think Chocks skirt is way too much. She's very small and with them now all in black with that massive skirt it's just heavy visually that it detracts from the movements and shapes they try to make. Just all a bit black blob now.
 
Same for Z/K. So many raving about that FD but I am still waiting for a team to skate to that same music and not make me feel the same way ( or better ) than Annisina and Peizerat did. And for me they don't come close so I´m a bit "meh its fine".
Annisina and Peizerat's Romeo and Juliet was a choreographic masterpiece with 5 short lifts (some by her which we loved). No twizzles, no slides, no designated choreo step sequence on the short axis - IJS has not made ice dance better.
 
Annisina and Peizerat's Romeo and Juliet was a choreographic masterpiece with 5 short lifts (some by her which we loved). No twizzles, no slides, no designated choreo step sequence on the short axis - IJS has not made ice dance better.
I am not really on board with the faction that thinks IJS has made ice dance worse. There have been plenty of programs since that I think are better than anything produced pre-IJS because it is also a sport and I like that aspect.

Having said that I am starting to agree more with the current form in regards to the choreo elements. My understanding was these elements were added in lieu of others because skaters/coaches were complaining that there was no time left in the previous iteration to do any choreography. So this seemed a sound compromise at the time. But I think they should see it clearly now that it needs to change for next season. Because the really great teams, the ones who deserved to be at the top, were the ones capable of doing all the required elements AND choreography at the same time. It's like we dumbed it down now so that the teams who weren't capable are now put on the same playing field as the ones that could. And by doing so erased the advantage the really good teams had of being superior skaters capable of doing it all.

Now that that rant is over :lol: I believe we have ( and certainly had ) teams within the era of IJS would could have done a R&J to that same music to rival what A&P showed us years ago. The problem I see with R&J is because they were teenagers everyone believes it should be skated by young skaters and preferably when they are still Juniors or only in the first year in Seniors. And I think that overwhelming opinion has prevented certain teams I would have loved to see tackle that story to Prokofiev's music. I fear I will never get what I want when it comes to this :drama:

 
I always loved A/P’s Romeo, it’s what made me uber them. So I just went back and rewatched it. With the relative freedom of a 6.0 free dance, there’s more interesting details and emotional quality. But watching closely, there’s also a lot of mismatched legline and some awkward entries and exits to those lifts. They are not as foot-perfect as we expect of top teams now, and that’s coming from someone who loved them (and Denk/Stav) for their drama and choreo.

IJS made judging easier and more objective with all the required elements, so we did lose variety and danciness. I’d love to see the kind of choreo that Torville and Dean did in their paso program along with their really precise unison and edges. But hardly anyone can do that, that’s why they were Torville and Dean.
 
It does for me which is why I think I love it so much. I live on an island nation and the ocean is such a powerful force here both in nature and livelihood.
That's great. Personally, I love water. I live in an area with a big bay and an ocean and I swim and kayak. I'm just not getting water from their dance though.

Annisina and Peizerat's Romeo and Juliet was a choreographic masterpiece with 5 short lifts (some by her which we loved). No twizzles, no slides, no designated choreo step sequence on the short axis - IJS has not made ice dance better.
Maybe. Maybe not. :lol: People tend to compare the best of the best in the past against the entire field. There was plenty of schlock in the pre-IJS days. And forgettable programs.

The change from OSPs to ODs to RDs has definitely made that aspect of ice dance worse IMO. I am okay with not having OSPs anymore, even though I loved them and they were a way to get new Compulsory Dances. But ODs were too much like mini FDs with a theme, from what I remember. I think the RDs could work. But not in the form they have been in recent years. So maybe going back to OSPs is the answer. Or maybe it's going back to having a prescribed pattern (from a CD) in the RDs and even possibly having them have real rhythms again.

If having 20 teams all skate to the same rhythm is deemed too boring by TPTB, teams could have several to pick from. For example, have 50s & 60s as the theme but then the rhythm has to be one that was popular during that time period. So teams can pick any combination of jive, jitterbug, swing in all its forms (East Coast, West Coast, Chalypos, etc), whatever you'd call dances like the Twist, Watusi and Mashed Potato (they all have a similar style IMO), and probably some I'm forgetting.

This would be "dancier" than just picking a time period. Hopefully.

And maybe that's what they tried to do with adding "Dance Party" to the 90s theme. But it didn't work. The 120 bpm requirement doesn't help. But I also think "90s Dance Party" is too restrictive. How about "Dance Party" with no decade requirement? Or more decades than one? That would work better IMO.

Having said that I am starting to agree more with the current form in regards to the choreo elements. My understanding was these elements were added in lieu of others because skaters/coaches were complaining that there was no time left in the previous iteration to do any choreography. So this seemed a sound compromise at the time.
I think having 1 or even 2 slots for choreo elements would be fine. All the other disciplines have the Choreo Seq 1. So dance having 2 such things makes sense to me. All the rest should be transitions, just like in all the other disciplines. And if they just have to have seven slots, add in another step sequence or something else "dance-y".

The problem I see with R&J is because they were teenagers everyone believes it should be skated by young skaters and preferably when they are still Juniors or only in the first year in Seniors. And I think that overwhelming opinion has prevented certain teams I would have loved to see tackle that story to Prokofiev's music. I fear I will never get what I want when it comes to this :drama:
I am pretty sure more mature people have done R+J. Hubble and Donahue did an R+J program and they were mature skaters. Yuzuru did one too (and won an Olympic title with it). And this doesn't include Dorothy Hamill/Robin Cousins doing the entire story as an ice skating TV special. :D
 
That's great. Personally, I love water. I live in an area with a big bay and an ocean and I swim and kayak. I'm just not getting water from their dance though.


I am pretty sure more mature people have done R+J. Hubble and Donahue did an R+J program and they were mature skaters. Yuzuru did one too (and won an Olympic title with it). And this doesn't include Dorothy Hamill/Robin Cousins doing the entire story as an ice skating TV special. :D
:lol: at the that's great ;)

As for the last bit. You got me. But a single skater to a R/J theme to me is just a skater skating to R/J associated music. Dorothy Hamill is before my time. Now I can't believe I forgot H/D but I guess that speaks for itself. But I just went and found it on youtube and now I think I recall me saying during that season that I don't think they are good storytellers :lol:

I would have loved to see V/M do a R/J program simply because I think they were the best storytellers in ice dance past and present.
 
It does for me which is why I think I love it so much. I live on an island nation and the ocean is such a powerful force here both in nature and livelihood. Both the music and movement in their FD evokes the same feelings for me as when I sit in solitude on the rocks watching the rhythm of the ocean when it is calm and when it is raging.
As someone who grew up in the North Atlantic, I get that from their FD as well. It also reminds me of the North Pacific.

The feeling of the cold and isolation really comes through for me especially in the beginning with the music reminiscent of whale noises.

This might be why I didn't like it at first....LOL.
 
As someone who grew up in the North Atlantic, I get that from their FD as well. It also reminds me of the North Pacific.

The feeling of the cold and isolation really comes through for me especially in the beginning with the music reminiscent of whale noises.

This might be why I didn't like it at first....LOL.
Now that I laughed at.

But yeah, it might just resonate more with us North Atlantic folks. Totally different vibes.
 
Now I do think Chocks skirt is way too much. She's very small and with them now all in black with that massive skirt it's just heavy visually that it detracts from the movements and shapes they try to make. Just all a bit black blob now.
I agree with you. Beautifully made but heavy. I get why they did it for that dance.

Bring back Torvill's cape top? Nah that was definitely one of a kind and it worked beautifully as a costume back then for that dance.
 
I think Madi's skirt would be better if it had just a bit of red - perhaps some red lace appliqued on the hem; then add some red crystals on the torso. Evan's could also use a hint of red somewhere in it - maybe the sheer side panels could be red instead of black. Both need something to break up the severity of the black-on-black.

I'm not convinced these are the final Olympic costumes. We might see something new at Nats, but they could also wait to debut something else in Milano-Cortina.
 
I love the musical selections in Z/K’s Romeo and Juliet, especially the poison music and Juliet’s awakening to a dead Romeo music, which makes their costumes foreshadow the tragedy. Not everyone who skates to the Prokofiev has made those choices.
Their program is so unique. I hate the R+J storyline, don't think it's remotely romantic at all, but I love their version.

P.S. I do vaguely remember @marbri saying HubDon were not great storytellers at the time of their version. :lol:
 
So, dumb question here: isn’t F/G’s first lift illegal, if not bordering on illegal? Straight arms and overhead?

Dumb comment: will never understand why women have to have sheer sides and backs to their dresses. It just looks WEIRD.

I will also call BS on scoring here. C/B scored almost all 4s on their twizzles? And the stumble at the end, totally ignored.
 
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So, dumb question here: isn’t F/G’s first lift illegal, if not bordering on illegal? Straight arms and overhead?

Dumb comment: will never understand why women have to have sheer sides and backs to their dresses. It just looks WEIRD.
This was addressed by Asher Hill on the Anything GOEs recap yesterday. Asher noted that he wondered the same thing but it's legal because Lewis' arms don't lock into the upright position, so they get away with it - similar to how Zach Donohue was able to get away with that lift in HubDon's '22 FD where she's over his head.
 
This was addressed by Asher Hill on the Anything GOEs recap yesterday. Asher noted that he wondered the same thing but it's legal because Lewis' arms don't lock into the upright position, so they get away with it - similar to how Zach Donohue was able to get away with that lift in HubDon's '22 FD where she's over his head.
Thanks!
 
Can`t find the original post but someone found FB/C`s moves in the FD "pretentious". That`s exactly what has distanced me from their skating. It screams "Look at us, we`re not skaters, we`re ARTISTS"
Figure skating isn't just a sport, it's art and sport together. Many of us love it precisely because of this. If I can watch an ice dancer and not think about any technical things and be transported by the artistry, that skater is doing everything right in my opinion.
 
I am also well acquainted with the ocean. I got my very own rowboat when I was 7 and set out to explore Pine Island Bay and the Poquonnock River for three years before I got my first bike. Later in life, I have had a humpback whale break water within 60 feet of our sailboat, flailing his huge pectoral fins. (Terrifying)

Look closely at my avatar - that photo of the submarine Memphis returning from patrol was taken from my front porch.

Continuing to the subject of the Whale soundtrack;

I was quite excited to see FB&C's FD at GP France. I wanted to see how the Laurence partnership looked-I had always liked her skating.

However, I fell asleep about 30 seconds into it. When I woke up at 3 a.m, I restarted the Peacock tile and and managed to make it about a minute and a half before falling asleep. When I woke up again at about 6 a.m., same problem. I finally succeeded in watching the whole thing at 10. Man, what a droning, unmemorable piece of "music.".

Watching the program was like watching a 10 km speed skating race to a soundtrack of a a person with mild sleep apnea (obese?) trying to sleep to a white noise track.

The music was so unmemorable that I didn't recognize it when they recycled it for their Gala program-I just thought it was equally boring music as their FD-and was quite surprised to find out it was the exact same.
 

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