The Dance Hall 12: Boston Tea Dance Party

[Karen-W]

That would be sheer terror but did give me the idea that Chock and Bates should do a TRL countdown themed program with 10 songs in one RD.

Hey, now, both of them (and the other two old fogey teams) are old enough to have heard songs played on the radio in the '90s IN the '90s, lol. Surely they'll each refrain from 10-song edits.

 

[Tinycities]

Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC and Britney Spears would be the new disco. Please no.

 

[Marta24]

I wonder what the ISU is going to do once they are through all decades. If 1990s is next season, only the 2000s remain, if they can resolve the copyright issues. And then what? Start all over again with the 1980s? Will we forever stay in this disco/dance party RD theme?

 

[Bigbird]

I wonder what the ISU is going to do once they are through all decades. If 1990s is next season, only the 2000s remain, if they can resolve the copyright issues. And then what? Start all over again with the 1980s? Will we forever stay in this disco/dance party RD theme?

I am very upset.

 

[Karen-W]

I wonder what the ISU is going to do once they are through all decades. If 1990s is next season, only the 2000s remain, if they can resolve the copyright issues. And then what? Start all over again with the 1980s? Will we forever stay in this disco/dance party RD theme?

Oh, they'll give us the 20s-30s-40s at some point, and it will be even worse than this 50s-60s-70s mashup up crap we have this year.

 

[Jay42]

25-26 RD news from an ID reporter at Europeans:

The ISU legal team is still working on the music copyright issues for the Olympic season. The final decision is expected to be announced during Boston Worlds.
So now it is still "21st Century dance party", and unfortunately the alternative is not classical as rumored, but "1990s Music" (1990-1999).
https://weibo.com/1765513755/5129045163639645

If Gilles and Poirier don't skate to a Shania Twain medley I will be so disappointed.

 

[skategal]

I hope someone skates to “You Outta Know.” By Allanis.

 

[Former Lurve Goddess]

I hope someone skates to “You Outta Know.” By Allanis.

I suspect we'll get mashups from the Jagged Little Pill musical instead.

 

[litenkyckling]

L/B or Piper and Paul do a Twin Peaks RD please

 

[Spikefan]

Smart/Dieck for Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

 

[litenkyckling]

Who will do Steps? 5,6,7,8!

 

[Sylvia]

@kwanfan1818's post in the U.S. Ice Dance thread also is relevant here:

The ISU has already updates the WS lists after Euros Dance, so all of that initial mathing for naught .

Guignard/Fabbri, Fear/Gibson, and Chock/Bates (who can earn no incremental points at 4C's) are in the last RD group and can't be caught. ETA: Neither can Lopareva/Brissaud, after double-checking the math.

Currently, Lopareva/Brissaud and Gilles/Poirier are in 4th and 5th, with Lajoie/Lagha leading the penultimate group . Carreira/Ponamarekno can't catch Gilles/Poirier, even with a win at 4C's, so they will start in the penultimate group.

Green/Parsons are currently 12th after FB/S are skipped, in the 3rd-to-last group. Lim/Quan would pass them with 6th or higher at 4C's, but no one else can catch them. They would have needed gold or silver at 4C's to pass the Taschlers for the last spot in the penultimate group.

The interesting is the race for the last spot in the last group between Gilles/Poirier and Lajoie/Lagha. If either win 4C's, they get the last spot in the last group. If G/P don't come in 1st or 2nd, they can't win any incremental points, and a podium finish by L/L will earn them the last spot. Skating in the last group could give L/L an advantage over C/P.

ISU World Standings as of Feb. 1: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsdance.htm

 

[Bigbird]

I am still upset that the Finns were not on the podium. I need someone to tell me how they were not on the podium while the lesser robotic Frenchies were. I'm not so mad about Fear and Gibson because they have some swag, but Lop/Bri have no connection whatsoever and negative swag elegance or finesse. So my solution: synchronized skating for mixed pairs as a new discipline, and we let the dancers dance. I am still so upset.

 

[yurokis40]

@kwanfan1818's post in the U.S. Ice Dance thread also is relevant here:

ISU World Standings as of Feb. 1: https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsdance.htm

With trump starting a trade war with Canada, I say lets ship back chock and bates and carreira and ponomarenko to the US lets see how well they do at worlds without there canadian coaches, oh and with trumps anti immigrant anti canada stance no chance in hell Carreira will get her citizenship on time for the olympics so USFED are wasting a spot supporting them.

 

[Prancer]

With trump starting a trade war with Canada, I say lets ship back chock and bates and carreira and ponomarenko to the US lets see how well they do at worlds without there canadian coaches, oh and with trumps anti immigrant anti canada stance no chance in hell Carreira will get her citizenship on time for the olympics so USFED are wasting a spot supporting them

If you would like to talk about government politics, please go to PI. Further political discussion will be deleted.

 

[Dobre]

Let's face it. Orihara & Pirinen just won the European Championships. I've watched that FD eight times today, and the Kiss & Cry was even better.

In all seriousness, I'm happy for Guignard & Fabbri. They are pros, and that has rarely been as clear as at Europeans over the past three seasons. They've weathered the let's-beat-G&F politics to the point at which multiple other European countries now have hope and have splintered the politics. (At least here).

 

[Colonel Green]

I'm not (at the moment) expecting that Lopareva & Brissaud's victory over Fear & Gibson represents a new normal, but between the free dance at the Grand Prix Final and the Euros result, the "Fear & Gibson for 2025 World podium" train seems to have derailed.

 

[beckab81]

As much as people like to catastrophize about Fear/Gibson being world champions, they've shown nerves & faltered whenever they seem close to a breakthrough. Until they have a breakthrough performance at GPF or Euro's, I'm not going to expect more than 4th or 5th from them. Not saying they have to medal at GPF or Euro's, but they need to show the competitive grit needed to make the jump. So far, I haven't seen it.

 

[Marta24]

I'm just glad that the ice dance hierarchy seems to softening up a bit. Mistakes are being punished, good and creative programmes are being rewarded. This is nice!

I think after last year's Worlds I would have said that F/G would surely become Europe's #1 starting with the 2026/2027 season, maybe even sooner. But Lopareva/Brissaud and Smart/Dieck have improved so much that I'm not so sure anymore. And who knows maybe one of the other teams will make big strides and become competitive for the #1 European spot.
Looking at you Taschlerovi and Mrazkovi

Exciting times await us!

 

[Dobre]

Now why, under god's green Earth, would any judge from any other country actually want to set the Brits up for the podium? They've spent three years trying to use them to knock down the Italians. Because F&G were not a threat. Then they knock off Gilles & Poirier in two events this season. And ROTFL.

If Fear & Gibson want to crack the Olympic podium, they'll have to do it on their own power because those top three teams are going to retire and a. they want to do it with an Olympic medal and b. every other team on the planet wants to rise to the top when they get out.

 

[Colonel Green]

Now why, under god's green Earth, would any judge from any other country actually want to set the Brits up for the podium? They've spent three years trying to use them to knock down the Italians. Because F&G were not a threat. Then they knock off Gilles & Poirier in two events this season. And ROTFL.

IAM wants them on the podium, for the straightforward reason that they are an IAM team and they’d like them to be European #1. I would say they also have currency because they’re entertaining and do a lot of the things that the ISU wants ice dance to be right now.

Them beating Gilles & Poirier doesn’t enter into it — in both cases that only happened because of Paul making mistakes. They’d have lost to whoever the next team up was.

 

[Karen-W]

IAM wants them on the podium, for the straightforward reason that they are an IAM team and they’d like them to be European #1. I would say they also have currency because they’re entertaining and do a lot of the things that the ISU wants ice dance to be right now.

Them beating Gilles & Poirier doesn’t enter into it — in both cases that only happened because of Paul making mistakes. They’d have lost to whoever the next team up was.

I don't know that IAM cares much who in their stable is European #1.

FearGib - fine
LopBri - just fine
SmaDie - also fine
ReedAmbru - also just fine
DavSmo - even also fine

FearGib losing to LopBri is an interchangeable piece on their world domination chess board.

I haven't been sold on FearGib making any sort of move up the ranks all season, and I'm not particularly sold on the notion that LopBri's surprise silver here is, in the bigger picture, much different.

As you note, FearGib's two GP wins came at the expense of major mistakes by Chock and Poirier respectively, same with their GPF medal happening because of Poirier's major error. Similarly, LopBri's GPdF win came at the expense of Guignard & Fabbri's errors, and their Euros silver wouldn't have happened had Fear not had a bad twizzle sequence that cost them a couple of points in GOE.

Euros score improvement for teams with 2 GPs.
GuigFab +1.4%
LopBri +5.25%
FearGib -0.1%
TurkVers +4.4%
SmaDie +1.2%
ReedAmbru +0.6%
PiriHara +5.3%
DavSmo +1.6%
DemLeM +2.5%
Taschlers -0.1%
Mrazkovi -0.8%

What's interesting to me are the teams that had the highest increase in scores from their two GP (and GPF for the top 3).

FIN, SUI, HUN, EST & NED were on both panels; FRA, GBR, POL & GER were on the RD panel; CZE, ITA, ESP & AZE were on the FD panel. There was a clear push for both Finnish teams and a pretty sizable push for both French teams in the RD and LopBri in the FD. The teams that messed up in the RD were punished (fairly).

FearGib and the Taschlers had errors that depressed their RD score, otherwise, they probably would have had a similar score increase seen by the rest of the field apart from the French and Finnish teams. Consensus in the RD pbp thread during was that GuigFab were a tiny bit tight which is reflected in their static score compared to their GP best.

Consensus in the FD pbp thread was that the Mrazkovi probably needed to make some actual choreo changes along with the music change and that seems reflected in their static score compared to their GP best.

RD change from GP best -
GuigFab -0.1%
LopBri +6%
FearGib -2.4%
TurkVers +3.6%
SmaDie +0.02%
ReedAmbru +1%
PiriHara +4.1%
DavSmo +1%
DemLeM +3.5%
Taschlers -2.8%
Mrazkovi -1.8%

FD change from GP best -
GuigFab +2.8%
LopBri +4.1%
FearGib +1.3%
TurkVers +4.9%
SmaDie +1.9%
ReedAmbru +0.3%
PiriHara +6.1%
DavSmo +2.1%
DemLeM +1.9%
Taschlers +0.1%
Mrazkovi -0.01%

Make of all this what each of you will, but I think we're going to see some scores falling back to where they were on the GP with the Worlds panel composed of judges from these countries:

Ice Dance
Azerbaijan
Canada
China
Estonia
Georgia
Italy
South Korea
Lithuania
Netherlands
Switzerland
Slovakia
Ukraine
USA

source - https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...icials-for-2024-25-season.111965/post-6658298

 

[Karen-W]

Egna Ice Dance Trophy entries/results page is up - https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6598/online/index.htm

Senior -
No. Name Club Nation
1 Olivia Josephine SHILLING / Leo BAETEN BEL
2 Natalia PALLU-NEVES / Jayin PANESAR BRA
3 Angelina KUDRYAVTSEVA / Ilia KARANKEVICH CYP
4 Katerina MRAZKOVA / Daniel MRAZEK CZE
5 Daniela IVANITSKIY / Matthew SPERRY FIN
6 Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS FRA
7 Lou TERREAUX / Noe PERRON FRA
8 Anna BODRONE / Stefano FRASCA ITA
9 Leia DOZZI / Pietro PAPETTI ITA
10 Victoria MANNI / Carlo ROETHLISBERGER ITA
11 Giulia Isabella PAOLINO / Andrea TUBA ITA
12 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU
13 Harlow Lynella STANLEY / Seiji URANO MEX
14 Hanna JAKUCS / Alessio GALLI NED
15 Olexandra BORYSOVA / Aaron FREEMAN POL
16 Emilia Monika ZIOBROWSKA / Shiloh Douglas JUDD ROU
17 Emma KIVIOJA / Erik PELLNOR SWE
18 Mariia PINCHUK / Mykyta POGORIELOV UKR

Junior
1 Sofiia BEZNOSIKOVA / Max LELEU BEL
2 Sofia PASCUAL MATEOS / Sergio PARRA ALMONACID ESP
3 Cilla LAINE / Urho REINA FIN
4 Mai TARVAINEN / Aarne SAVOLA FIN
5 Ninni VOLANEN / Lasse LILLVIS FIN
6 Eva BERNARD / Amedeo BONETTO FRA
7 Louise BORDET / Martin CHARDAIN FRA
8 Celina FRADJI / Jean-Hans FOURNEAUX FRA
9 Lou KOCH / Lucas CHATAIGNOUX FRA
10 Lena MALIQUEO-REPOUX / Illia SYNELNIKOV FRA
11 Irene BARRERI / Alessandro di GIORGIO ITA
12 Laura FINELLI / Massimiliano BUCCIARELLI ITA
13 Martina LAVAZZA / Raphael Raymond MEUNIER ITA
14 Alessia ROCCI / Davide PETTIGIANI ITA
15 Alexandra LEVY / Alan LLORENTE SUI
16 Aneta VACLAVIKOVA / Ivan MOROZOV SVK
17 Irmak YUCEL / Danil PAK TUR
18 Myroslava TKACHENKO / Riccardo PESCA UKR
19 Emily RENZI / William LISSAUER USA
20 Annelise STAPERT / Maxim KOROTCOV USA

 

[firstflight]

I think it's a missed opportunity for a Boston worlds to not have a "Sweet Caroline" program. Or even better, Dropkick Murphys for an Irish step dance FD. Place would set on fire.

 

[myhoneyhoney]

Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC and Britney Spears would be the new disco. Please no.

Shhhhhh… N’Sync was awesome! I think I still have their concert merch and the dolls

 

[Belsornia]

Egna Ice Dance Trophy entries/results page is up - https://www.fisg.it/upload/result/6598/online/index.htm

Senior -
No. Name Club Nation
1 Olivia Josephine SHILLING / Leo BAETEN BEL
2 Natalia PALLU-NEVES / Jayin PANESAR BRA
3 Angelina KUDRYAVTSEVA / Ilia KARANKEVICH CYP
4 Katerina MRAZKOVA / Daniel MRAZEK CZE
5 Daniela IVANITSKIY / Matthew SPERRY FIN
6 Marie DUPAYAGE / Thomas NABAIS FRA
7 Lou TERREAUX / Noe PERRON FRA
8 Anna BODRONE / Stefano FRASCA ITA
9 Leia DOZZI / Pietro PAPETTI ITA
10 Victoria MANNI / Carlo ROETHLISBERGER ITA
11 Giulia Isabella PAOLINO / Andrea TUBA ITA
12 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU
13 Harlow Lynella STANLEY / Seiji URANO MEX
14 Hanna JAKUCS / Alessio GALLI NED
15 Olexandra BORYSOVA / Aaron FREEMAN POL
16 Emilia Monika ZIOBROWSKA / Shiloh Douglas JUDD ROU
17 Emma KIVIOJA / Erik PELLNOR SWE
18 Mariia PINCHUK / Mykyta POGORIELOV UKR

Shilling/Baeten (need +9.44), Britzillians (need +2.83), Kudryavtseva/Karankevich (need +2.46), Stanley/Urano (need +8.03) and Ziobrowska/Judd (need +1.75) having another bash at Worlds minimums. After this there's only Challenge Cup, 4CCs and the OWG test event.

Ivanitskiy/Sperry starting their quest for the third Euros spot.

 

[Karen-W]

Shilling/Baeten (need +9.44), Britzillians (need +2.83), Kudryavtseva/Karankevich (need +2.46), Stanley/Urano (need +8.03) and Ziobrowska/Judd (need +1.75) having another bash at Worlds minimums. After this there's only Challenge Cup, 4CCs and the OWG test event.

Ivanitskiy/Sperry starting their quest for the third Euros spot.

There's also Asian Winter Games next week for both Chinese teams, Nauryzova/Datiev and the new Indonesian team entered (who are soooo far off, I can't imagine they'll get it).

 

[peibeck]

I don't know that IAM cares much who in their stable is European #1.

FearGib - fine
LopBri - just fine
SmaDie - also fine
ReedAmbru - also just fine
DavSmo - even also fine

says Marie-France and Romain love, love, love Evegeniia and Geoff.

I expect post Milan for them and LaLa to quickly ascend and become the #1 Euro vs #1 NA teams, maybe not for 2026 Worlds but who knows?

 

[Karen-W]

says Marie-France and Romain love, love, love Evegeniia and Geoff.

I expect post Milan for them and LaLa to quickly ascend and become the #1 Euro vs #1 NA teams, maybe not for 2026 Worlds but who knows?

Makes sense. I think they and CarPon are the only teams that are certainly sticking around post-2026 of the 2024 Worlds top 10. TurkVers and ReedAmbru are older; FearGib are a bit younger & may stick around, but I think they'll fall behind LopBri and SmaDie (if they stick around another Olympic cycle) well before 2030.

 

[peibeck]

Makes sense. I think they and CarPon are the only teams that are certainly sticking around post-2026 of the 2024 Worlds top 10. TurkVers and ReedAmbru are older; FearGib are a bit younger & may stick around, but I think they'll fall behind LopBri and SmaDie (if they stick around another Olympic cycle) well before 2030.

I can see Fear/Gibson at least sticking around for 2026 Worlds, same with the Finns. Possibly even Piper/Paul because they really, really, really want that title even one time, I think. After that...

Lilah and Olivia have deep pocketbooks, so maybe they'll keep on keeping on?