Gymnastics #24 - The Road to Paris

[Tesla]

I just struggle with a 1 event gymnast. How long has Nedoroscik only done pommels? Any reason? Just curious…

My issue is if anyone else gets injured…

Depends on when the injury happens. There will be alternates. I’m ok if Stephen gets the spot. He earned it under the criteria. Blame the selection criteria, not the gymnast.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Depends on when the injury happens. There will be alternates. I’m ok if Stephen gets the spot. He earned it under the criteria. Blame the selection criteria, not the gymnast.

No one blames him for existing. We think he shouldn’t be on the team.

 

[Allskate]

I’d take Shane over Nedoroscik…

I'd take several gymnasts over Nederoscik. Too risky.

 

[Karen-W]

And yet the criteria force them to take an inconsistent one event gymnast.

They need better criteria tbh.

Yeah, I think the MAG criteria is maybe TOO specific and data-driven rather than considering that there are SIX apparatus.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Yeah, I think the MAG criteria is maybe TOO specific and data-driven rather than considering that there are SIX apparatus.

Yeah, it doesn’t consider possible nightmare scenarios at ALL

 

[Sarah]

I actually like Nedoroscik but he’s not that consistent. And he hasn’t actually hit all that many routines through this process. If he was? I might have a different opinion.

 

[Tesla]

No one blames him for existing. We think he shouldn’t be on the team.

I hope not. The posts here seemed a little aggressive against Stephen but I know context is lost in just words. The posts did encourage me to root for him.

 

[Karen-W]

i mean they can probably do it before the event tbh we all know they have it like 90% decided by then lol

God bless BOW and the USFS' tiering system, lol.

 

[Rukia]

I expect the women's team selection to take less time because they have like 8 people left anyway

 

[beckab81]

Spencer (Balance Beam Situation) says Yul was less than 1/10 away from replacing Hong on the top 3 scores team and forcing them to discretionary criteria

 

[tony]

Ugh so Muldauer gonna miss out by .05.

 

[Allskate]

Yeah, I think the MAG criteria is maybe TOO specific and data-driven rather than considering that there are SIX apparatus.

ITA.

I think Terry said that two of the scenarios were only five-hundredths of a point apart. It would be stupid to make a decision based just on that, so I hope they would be taking a variety of factors into account.

 

[Tesla]

I blame the Olympics for forcing an unfair 5-men team. I know they want to keep number of competitors down but the men have 6 events vs. 4 events for the women.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I hope not. The posts here seemed a little aggressive against Stephen but I know context is lost in just words. The posts did encourage me to root for him.

lDK, I don’t think not rooting for someone or not wanting someone on the team is aggressive.

 

[honey]

For shits and giggles I’d like Tara and Johnny to be forced into these branded button downs and Mr Rogers sweaters.

 

[Karen-W]

I expect the women's team selection to take less time because they have like 8 people left anyway

LOL! Yeah, I'm just praying Leanne has a really great meet tomorrow. I'm totally on board with the idea of taking 4 current/former NCAA women to Paris+Simone.

 

[Rukia]

Spencer (Balance Beam Situation) says Yul was less than 1/10 away from replacing Hong on the top 3 scores team and forcing them to discretionary criteria

yul you can never do anything right except look good can you

 

[Theatregirl1122]

ITA.

I think Terry said that two of the scenarios were only five-hundredths of a point apart. It would be stupid to make a decision based just on that, so I hope they would be taking a variety of factors into account.

I posted all of the criteria before. If the two data sets spit out the same top team, they have no ability to take any factors into account.

 

[Tesla]

lDK, I don’t think not rooting for someone or not wanting someone on the team is aggressive.

Like I said, context gets lost in posts. It’s probably just the way I read into them.

 

[ptvvibezz]

LOL! Yeah, I'm just praying Leanne has a really great meet tomorrow. I'm totally on board with the idea of taking 4 current/former NCAA women to Paris+Simone.

I hope she plays it safe on the vault, it’ll be her last rotation so she’ll know if she needs it or not

 

[Karen-W]

For shits and giggles I’d like Tara and Johnny to be forced into these branded button downs and Mr Rogers sweaters.

As if that would stop Johnny from bedazzling it up and going even higher with his pompadour!

 

[Allskate]

I expect the women's team selection to take less time because they have like 8 people left anyway

I would think that they've already discussed it a lot. They probably are assuming at this point that Simone, Jordan, Suni, and Jade are going and it's really just a question of the fifth person unless there are some major suprises tomorrow.

 

[ilovepaydays]

So, are they officially tied to just data crunching? Not sure that’s a great idea to restrict yourself. Although, I guess any method is going to lead to someone yelling that it’s unfair.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

LOL! Yeah, I'm just praying Leanne has a really great meet tomorrow. I'm totally on board with the idea of taking 4 current/former NCAA women to Paris+Simone.

Maybe she’ll vault with both hands on the horse.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

so you’ve got the auto qualifier first. If the athlete who has the highest combined four day total is also in the top 3 apparatuses, they automatically qualify and 4 remaining gymnasts are Selected using the math. If not, all 5 are selected using the math.

• There are two data sets. One averaging the best 3 out of 4 from each athlete and one averaging all 4 from each athlete. (No highest score, trials only, etc)
• They create the top 5 scoring teams in the 5-3-3 format for each data set.
  • If there is an auto qualifier, only teams with that person are considered.
  • Any team that can’t field 4 gymnasts on every apparatus is eliminated unless it’s 0.5 points higher than the next highest.
• If the highest scoring team in the two data sets are the same, that team is AUTOMATICALLY SELECTED with no discussion.
• If the highest from the two data sets are separated by more than two points, the highest of the two is automatically selected.

If neither happens, it goes to discretion, with factors that can be considered including:

• Trials only scores
• Total team d score
• International experience
• Results from other competitions

Interestingly, injury petitions are allowed for men.

Reminder of the criteria I posted a few pages ago.

 

[beckab81]

I wonder if Khoi or Yul or someone could file an injury petition and that could push them to discretionary?

 

[Allskate]

I posted all of the criteria before. If the two data sets spit out the same top team, they have no ability to take any factors into account.

Yes, I know. We're discussing what the rules should allow. John is pretty much saying that he wouldn't choose this team if the math didn't compel it.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I hope she plays it safe on the vault, it’ll be her last rotation so she’ll know if she needs it or not

How would she know if she needs it or not? No one knows what the committee will do.

 

[Rukia]

Yes, I know. We're discussing what the rules should allow. John is pretty much saying that he wouldn't choose this team if the math didn't compel it.

john is the only one with rights right now

 

[Allskate]

Maybe she’ll vault with both hands on the horse.

I think she would need to show that she consistently does that, and it sounds like she hasn't. IMO, she should do a vault tomorrow that the powers that be would feel comfortable putting in a team final.