ISU Statement on Russia's war against Ukraine - Participation in international competitions of Skaters and Officials from Russia and Belarus

[Jammers]

In the end it really did suck that the allies had to form an alliance with the Soviet Union knowing that they were almost as bad as the Germans. Stalin may have killed more people then even Hitler and many were his own people.

 

[Nadya]

In the end it really did suck that the allies had to form an alliance with the Soviet Union knowing that they were almost as bad as the Germans. Stalin may have killed more people then even Hitler and many were his own people.

They didn't. They volunteered.

 

[On My Own]

This is the history class I never knew I needed and certainly never wanted.

 

[MacMadame]

Yes, quite! Every constituent nation of the then USSR was hit by this war and fought the Nazis, and Ukraine being where it is, they were bang in the middle of the action. How can this not be blatantly obvious to everyone?

Because most people don't have more than a superficial understanding of history and most of what they do understand is heavily slanted and largely localized.

For example, many states in the US require their kids to learn that state's history to graduate from High School and to take a class on US History that covers all of it in one year while they may or may not take a class in World History which covers everything else also in a year's timeframe.

I took "US history" in 1969-70 and we barely got past the Civil War and then had to cram everything else into the last month of school. Also, our books were about 10 years old so that means nothing about the Civil Rights movement (which, tbf was still happening so more current events), the birth of the suburbs and redlining, the Korean War, the creation of Israel, or anything past about 1950.

I think we can all acknowledge that WWII was not a fun time for anyone, and the USSR played an important - but by no means exclusive - in defeating Nazi Germany.

"We" doesn't mean the people of Russia though. They clearly don't acknowledge that.

 

[MsZem]

"We" doesn't mean the people of Russia though. They clearly don't acknowledge that.

We on FSU. I think the Russian posters here will agree with what I posted.

 

[Pink Cats]

Because most people don't have more than a superficial understanding of history and most of what they do understand is heavily slanted and largely localized.

For example, many states in the US require their kids to learn that state's history to graduate from High School and to take a class on US History that covers all of it in one year while they may or may not take a class in World History which covers everything else also in a year's timeframe.

I took "US history" in 1969-70 and we barely got past the Civil War and then had to cram everything else into the last month of school. Also, our books were about 10 years old so that means nothing about the Civil Rights movement (which, tbf was still happening so more current events), the birth of the suburbs and redlining, the Korean War, the creation of Israel, or anything past about 1950.

I think it would be next to impossible for high schools to actually teach history to any great depth, most courses are only going to hit the highlights. I took Canadian in grade 9 and 13, as I remember we only got to confederation in grade 9 and covered from confederation to the end of the 2nd world war. We did World history over two years, in the first year we did everything prior to 1700 and the second year was 1700 to WWII. I also took American History in Grade 13 which cover up to and including the Civil War. History course in high school exist to a large extent inculcate children into a countries mythology of itself.

 

[MacMadame]

I think it would be next to impossible for high schools to actually teach history to any great depth, most courses are only going to hit the highlights. I took Canadian in grade 9 and 13, as I remember we only got to confederation in grade 9 and covered from confederation to the end of the 2nd world war. We did World history over two years, in the first year we did everything prior to 1700 and the second year was 1700 to WWII. I also took American History in Grade 13 which cover up to and including the Civil War. History course in high school exist to a large extent inculcate children into a countries mythology of itself.

Your last sentence is my point. But I disagree with your first sentence. If a student is in the public school system from K-12, then there is no reason that history can't be taught in a coherent way so that by the time that student gets to High School, they already know the highlights and so can go in-depth on important aspects of history, if that is what the school system wants to do. They don't want to, is my point.

We on FSU. I think the Russian posters here will agree with what I posted.

You probably have the Russian apologists on ignore then. Because I've certainly seen posts that spout off the Russian party line and not just from Russian citizens.

 

[Karen-W]

35-40 years ago, it went like this for my history/social studies education...

4th grade - Oregon state history & geography
5th grade - US geography & history, and if there was time, Canadian geography
6th grade - Western hemisphere geography - mostly learning about pre-Columbian civilizations and Latin America
7th grade - world geography & history
8th grade - US history
9th grade - no history or social studies required
10th grade - world history
11th grade - US history
12th grade - US history* or government/economics

I was in the IB program, so we had to take the 2nd year of US history of we were going for the diploma or the certificate in history, but I also chose to take the US Government/Econ class as an elective, and it was both interesting and a different curriculum.

 

[Andrea82]

20 years ago in Italy, I remember being rushed through WW1 and WW2 in the last month of final year of high school. Everything after WW2 basically wasn't done ("read the final chapter of the textbook before the exam, please")

But I remember doing all details of the Greeks and Egyptians (already done in lower secondary school but anyway. Probably also in primary school. The Egyptians were always done as they were one of the first chapters and the teacher wasn't already behind the schedule)....weeks (well, history had two hours a week) on Florence at the Medicis time....the maritime republics.....the Papal state......Guelphs versus Ghibellines....weeks on all the details of the French Revolution (the Montagnards, the Jacobins, the Girondins,....)...even more weeks on Napoleon....

 

[airgelaal]

plushenko

If you see my skater has a wrong edge, call it, no problem. You see the other has it too, but do not call. Today the girl with two under-rotated quads is on the podium. One got one carrot, and the other didn’t. That’s the difference between third and fourth place. And I’m also offended, the athlete, parents. When they close their eyes on others, but open them on me. I do not want to cooperate, move forward. How can I stop them when such a solution boiled up? It means that someone has set a task. The Federation says, “Go away, it’s okay.” Great, very cool. Upon arrival, I will communicate with the Ministry of Sports, with the Russian Olympic Committee, with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Difficult times, we must unite, raise each other.

Neutral sport, neutral athlets

 

[PRlady]

plushenko


Neutral sport, neutral athlets

But who is he referring to here? Eteri skaters or those shoddy non-Russians?

 

[Primorskaya]

But who is he referring to here? Eteri skaters or those shoddy non-Russians?

Well actually it's about the Russian Junior Nationals, so Eteri I guess...(ETA: no actually the winner isn't team Tutberidze!)so for this one time he's not insulting international skaters hehe. Anyway none of his students are non-Russians AFAIK? So they're not competing internationally now.
He's still a Putin fanboy though, he plans to go cry to his idol. I mean there's a war going on (oops, forgot, not in Russia!) but knock yourself out, Jenya! I'm sure your president has nothing more urgent to do than breaking up a playground fight.
Anyway, why he thinks any country would take on his skaters just because he feels they're not judged fairly is anyone's guess. The delusion levels are amazing.

If you want to endure Plushenko's full length, full strength whine, here it comes:

Evgeni Plushenko: “If my athletes continue to be judged the same way as now, there will be transfers to other countries. Transfers of those athletes who are judged unfairly.”

Two-time Olympic champion and now a coach, Evgeni Plushenko, spoke critically about the judging at the Russian Junior Championships.

fs-gossips.com

 

[PRlady]

Well they do seem to have pull in Hungary, Azerbaijan and Georgia, plus I guess whatever ‘Stan would like a competitive lady skater.

 

[Primorskaya]

Well they do seem to have pull in Hungary, Azerbaijan and Georgia, plus I guess whatever ‘Stan would like a competitive lady skater.

True, that. Anyway, it'd be a clever way for him to get his skaters back into international competition, blaming partisan judging within his own Fed, instead of the sanctions.

 

[gkelly]

Did he really say "carrot"?

 

[On My Own]

I just miss Russian skating so much. I really miss all the complaining from coaches of the skaters who've been subjected to constant abuse.

 

[Vagabond]

True, that. Anyway, it'd be a clever way for him to get his skaters back into international competition, blaming partisan judging within his own Fed, instead of the sanctions.

Not that they would get any higher Grades of Execution from ISU judges than domestic ones.

 

[reut]

TV Rain have a great report titled "How Plushenko and Rudkovskaya profit off the war":

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I do hope someone will have time to create a summary in English, but meanwhile posting it because it also includes fragments from his show "The union of champions" ("Союз чемпионов"). I never cared to check how it looked (and those small snippets totally made me vomit), but if you can find an excuse for THAT... I really don't know. (Wasn't it the one they said afterwards that "Z" on the walls were not theirs, but from a previous show not related to them? Well, with numbers like that and using music like that they really don't need any additional "Z"s) And, of course, all those poor russian skaters took part in it without really knowing what it is about and only because they have absolutely nothing to eat, yep.

 

[Firedancer]

The 30 nations that previously met to discuss the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes have signed a letter to the IOC calling for them to clarify the definition on neutrality and citing strong concerns on the feasibility. They specifically cite Russian athletes being directly funded by the state and the strong links between Russian athletes and the Russian military.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1133928/ioc-urged-30-nations-russian-neutrality

 

[Primorskaya]

TV Rain have a great report titled "How Plushenko and Rudkovskaya profit off the war":

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

I do hope someone will have time to create a summary in English, but meanwhile posting it because it also includes fragments from his show "The union of champions" ("Союз чемпионов"). I never cared to check how it looked (and those small snippets totally made me vomit), but if you can find an excuse for THAT... I really don't know. (Wasn't it the one they said afterwards that "Z" on the walls were not theirs, but from a previous show not related to them? Well, with numbers like that and using music like that they really don't need any additional "Z"s) And, of course, all those poor russian skaters took part in it without really knowing what it is about and only because they have absolutely nothing to eat, yep.

The excerpts speak for themselves indeed. It would only raise incredulous laughter at how hammy and pompous it all is, if the situation wasn't what it is. An alien who was confronted by this (and by this I mean the mindset of a lot of Russians) would conclude it's 1941 again and they're being invaded by Nazis. It's insane. We'll need a Nuremberg for people like them.
Also ridiculous and creepy: the way their kid forcibly shares his dad's haircut.

 

[Holy Headband]

I dropped in on this thread for the first time in a while and we’re bothsidesing communism and Nazism and debating the Soviet Union’s role in WWII? Ruh roh.

 

[On My Own]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628036453618839555

 

[ChelleC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628036453618839555

I hope the ISU is prepared for the fan blacklash if Russians are allowed back in.

 

[BittyBug]

I hope the backlash is not limited to fans but also athletes and ISU members.

 

[Karen-W]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628036453618839555

I hope the backlash is not limited to fans but also athletes and ISU members.

So, basically, the ISU Council had it's monthly conference call and confirmed they're not taking any action to lift the ban before they meet in-person at Worlds next month.

I cannot imagine that they are going to be welcomed back next month either, nor as long as the war continues. This is nothing more than dumb Russian media clickbait aimed at continuing the victim narrative they've been playing for the past year.

ETA - this also confirms there will absolutely NOT be any Russian or Belarusian skaters at Worlds since the entry deadline is next week. Too bad, so sad.

 

[thvu]

I hope the ISU is prepared for the fan blacklash if Russians are allowed back in.

I hope the backlash is not limited to fans but also athletes and ISU members.

I myself would strongly consider not watching any events featuring skaters representing Russia, or Russians competing under a "neutral" flag.

Russian athletes are not neutral.

 

[Baby Yoda On Skates]

If the ISU allows the Russians back in, the whole streaming access discussion becomes moot for me. I won't pay to watch their propaganda.

 

[Lara]

I never expected Russians to be at Worlds this year, but I’m definitely concerned about next season especially given it’s in my hometown. Really hoping the ISU does the right thing.

 

[Karen-W]

Honestly, I can't see the Russians being back before next winter. I will be drop dead shocked if the ISU changes its stance before the GP assignments come out in July - that will only happen if Russia is soundly defeated by then, which doesn't seem likely. There's no appetite within the majority of the member feds to let them back in right now, I don't think.

 

[yurokis40]

Russians should not be allowed back in until the war is over either here or in the olympics , all sports related in that country is state sponsored and they use it as a tool for propaganda, putin and his cronies are surely trying at this point to pay off the IOC but this whole neutrality nonsense doesn`t fly especially if they call them ROC.