RIP HM Queen Elizabeth II

skatfan said:
Maybe. I'm not sure that such a thing speaks to the modern world anymore (a "foreign" prince). We'll see what Charles does.
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I don't think they will move that far away from tradition in terms of titles. The titles of 'Prince & Princess of Wales' are not automatic, but likely will granted by King Charles at some point. Maybe after the coronation?

inews.co.uk

Why Prince William isn't automatically the Prince of Wales after Charles became King

William will, at some stage, be given the title the Prince of Wales - but he needs to be created so by his father
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William is not yet the Prince of Wales​

William will, at some stage, be given the title the Prince of Wales – which is traditionally used for the male heir to the throne.

But this not automatic and William needs to be created so by his father. The same stands for the Earl of Chester.
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purple skates said:
I’m sorry. She may be a very nice person. But when I read “Queen Camilla” it made me think of an evil Disney queen.
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I don't have the Evil Queen association but from the first time on that I've heard Queen Camilla I thought it sounded like an animated movie queen. Queen Camilla could very well be the mother in the Princess Sofia series. :D
 
canbelto said:
So apparently the PM was informed at 4:30. Will, Edward. Sophie, Andrew and Harry did not arrive in time.
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The reporting I've heard is that everybody was there save Harry, who couldn't make it in time. I imagine he is heartbroken if that is indeed the case.
 
A lot of our legal/court stuff will have to change too in Canada .. you can read through if you’re interested.. https://twitter.com/glen_mcgregor

I just briefly read that our currency will gradually change and will be mixed in with existing currency.
 
canbelto said:
Apparently Harry was in Germany?
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Oh geez, I heard where he was but can't remember. I'm afraid my head is still spinning slightly. The photo of him in the car en route to Balmoral is really sad. I believe he loved his grandmother very much.
 
skatingguy said:
I don't think they will move that far away from tradition in terms of titles. The titles of 'Prince & Princess of Wales' are not automatic, but likely will granted by King Charles at some point. Maybe after the coronation?
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I did say maybe. And the Welsh people’s preferences will influence the decision in these more democratic times. I’m curious about how that will poll.
 
What I read was only Charles and Anne were with her when she passed. Andrew, William, Edward, Sophie and Harry were en route.

ETA: It's possible she had a fall in the 24 hours leading up to this. But her health has been declining for months so it's not terribly surprising that she could be meeting with people Monday Tuesday and then take a serious turn for the worse quite suddenly.
 
I just watched an interview with Anderson Cooper and Nick Faldo on his knighthood ceremony. If you can catch the video on CNN or YouTube it's worth watching. Absolutely delightful.

I'm trying to look at all of the positives of this extraordinary woman.
 
VGThuy said:
I think that is just what is done in the UK and commonwealth. Only the current monarch will be on coinage and paper money.
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So my pounds I got for the canceled British Isles cruise won't be accepted next year? Or whenever we reschedule?

Our friends are leaving next week for their British Isles cruise. It ends in London - which will be crazy with people.
 
once_upon said:
So my pounds I got for the canceled British Isles cruise won't be accepted next year? Or whenever we reschedule?

Our friends are leaving next week for their British Isles cruise. It ends in London - which will be crazy with people.
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No, they will start printing money with the new monarch on it, but money already in circulation will still be legal tender. It will slowly be withdrawn from circulation and replaced, but that process takes a long time (years). Even today if you had money with the queen’s father on it, it would still be legal tender. Some shops might not accept it, but banks would.
 
Aussie Willy said:
Because with our currency when the monarch changes so does who is on the back of the currency. So the back of our currency will now change to Charles.

They may change the $5 note to have Charles on it now.

What is out there still remains in circulation. But anything new that is produced will be changed.
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This sounds very strange. Of course you know it better than I do. :)

Does this mean the current currency has no value anymore?

Can this rule/law be reversed? It seems like unnecessary expense to make these changes.
 
Current currency retains its value. New currency will be printed with the new monarch’s portrait and will be introduced into the system like any other new bill/coin. As old currency cycles through the system and is gradually withdrawn (as bills/coins always are eventually, when they wear out, become damaged, etc) it will be replaced over time with the new bills with the new portrait. It will take years, and in the meantime the bills already in circulation retain their value. They just won’t print any more. We eliminated the penny in Canada years ago. There are still pennies in circulation and you can still use them to pay for things. They just don’t produce them anymore and when they come to a bank as part of a deposit they are withdrawn from circulation.
 
DFJ said:
The reporting I've heard is that everybody was there save Harry, who couldn't make it in time. I imagine he is heartbroken if that is indeed the case.
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Considering that he lives in LA, I would assume he didn't expect to be there when she died. But in today's time and age, it's possible that they set up a video chat. Even if the Queen may not have been fully conscious anymore, I think if Harry (or anyone else) had wanted to say goodbye, they would/could have done it that way.

With regards to the money, I think it would be much more economic if rules were changed and only dead monarchs would be used on money so that it won't need to be changed every time a monarch dies.
 
I recognize that Queen Elizabeth was 96 and not in good health, but still I'm shocked. She will be greatly missed. She lived a life completely dedicated to her role as Queen. She carried out her responsibilities to the end. Rest in Peace.
 
Vash01 said:
This sounds very strange. Of course you know it better than I do. :)

Does this mean the current currency has no value anymore?

Can this rule/law be reversed? It seems like unnecessary expense to make these changes.
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Nothing changes. Just when they do the next production of coins they will put Charles' head on the back instead of the Queen. But it is not replacing the current coins and notes that we use. It is in addition to.

www.abc.net.au

What happens to Australian money now the Queen has died?

While cash and coins are becoming rarely used today, the Queen's image was a small reminder of Australia's connection to the royal family. What happens now?
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Interesting fact - as the Queen got older, they changed her face to update what she actually looked like.

www.australian-coins.com

Australian Coin Portraits of Queen Elizabeth II - The Australian Coin Collecting Blog

Australian coins have depicted 5 effigies of Queen Elizabeth II. Obverse portraits by Gillick, Machin, Maklouf, Gottwald and Rank-Broadley.
www.australian-coins.com

Also the Australian Mint constantly produces special limited edition coins that become collectors items for special occasions or events. So it won't be much to change the head on the coin to Charles.
 
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ballettmaus said:
Considering that he lives in LA, I would assume he didn't expect to be there when she died. But in today's time and age, it's possible that they set up a video chat. Even if the Queen may not have been fully conscious anymore, I think if Harry (or anyone else) had wanted to say goodbye, they would/could have done it that way.

With regards to the money, I think it would be much more economic if rules were changed and only dead monarchs would be used on money so that it won't need to be changed every time a monarch dies.
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Harry is in the UK, has been since the weekend (he was also in Germany to do something related to his Invictus Games, but returned to Windsor on Wednesday). He went to Balmoral this afternoon, but apparently didn’t make it in time. He was supposed to attend an event in London Thursday evening, but obviously that was cancelled. Meghan is reportedly still at Windsor, she didn’t go to Balmoral with him.
 
Looking back, Kate and Meghan's decisions to stay in London sort of gave away that the Queen had passed away already. If she was still holding on, they would have flown to say goodbye. Or tried to. But their decision to stay meant that the people making the trip already knew there was no chance of saying goodbye.

Another thing is that apparently at NOON, Parliament was interrupted.
 
canbelto said:
Looking back, Kate and Meghan's decisions to stay in London sort of gave away that the Queen had passed away already. If she was still holding on, they would have flown to say goodbye. Or tried to. But their decision to stay meant that the people making the trip already knew there was no chance of saying goodbye.

Another thing is that apparently at NOON, Parliament was interrupted.
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I don't think she had passed when Parliament was interrupted. The four royals who flew up from London this afternoon arrived in Aberdeen just before 4pm, so their flight would have left around 2:15pm. Even living in the shadow of Heathrow with Andrew, Edward, Sophie & William all being located in Windsor now, they would have needed some time to pack their overnight bags and get to the airport, etc. I believe she was still alive when the initial statement was released by Buckingham Palace and she passed sometime while they were en route. There wouldn't have been any reason to delay notifying Liz Truss until 4:30pm if she was already gone.
 
I don’t think she had already died, but it is very possible she was unconscious or not lucid. I can see Kate choosing to stay in Windsor to provide stability/comfort for her children and also to allow William to get away quickly and unencumbered … not only was there family stuff, but also constitutional stuff that he as the new heir probably had to participate in. I can well believe he and Kate decided it made sense for her to stay today, especially if the queen was already past the point of having visitors, and likely she’ll go up on the weekend with the children. As for Meghan, I’m sure she was uncertain of the welcome (or lack thereof) she would receive and she may well have felt it best to let Harry go alone, at least for the first day or two, rather than risk being a distraction or a source of conflict.

If the PM was informed at 4:30, that’s likely immediately after it happened. They wouldn’t delay on that, it’s governed by all kinds of protocol and procedure. They might have delayed informing the media, but not the PM.
 
MLIS said:
I don’t think she had already died, but it is very possible she was unconscious or not lucid. I can see Kate choosing to stay in Windsor to provide stability/comfort for her children and also to allow William to get away quickly and unencumbered … not only was there family stuff, but also constitutional stuff that he as the new heir probably had to participate in. I can well believe he and Kate decided it made sense for her to stay today, especially if the queen was already past the point of having visitors, and likely she’ll go up on the weekend with the children. As for Meghan, I’m sure she was uncertain of the welcome (or lack thereof) she would receive and she may well have felt it best to let Harry go alone, at least for the first day or two, rather than risk being a distraction or a source of conflict.

If the PM was informed at 4:30, that’s likely immediately after it happened. They wouldn’t delay on that, it’s governed by all kinds of protocol and procedure. They might have delayed informing the media, but not the PM.
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Everything has already been planned down to the smallest detail and as the press is reporting, the family is coming back tomorrow, so with Kate sending her children off to the first day of their new school, it made a lot more sense for her to stay at Windsor. Why Meghan didn’t go is a bit murkier.
 
Another note on the travel to Balmoral, but multiple people in the immediate line of succession aren't supposed to fly together
skatfan said:
Everything has already been planned down to the smallest detail and as the press is reporting, the family is coming back tomorrow, so with Kate sending her children off to the first day of their new school, it made a lot more sense for her to stay at Windsor. Why Meghan didn’t go is a bit murkier.
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Were they travelling with their children? If they were it probably just wasn't feasible to get all of them to Scotland on short notice.
 
I appreciate that, despite being an American, the Queen delivered the address regarding the pandemic I needed when the POTUS simply did not have the communication skills to deliver something similar, despite his incessant messages through various forms of media.

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MLIS said:
Harry is in the UK, has been since the weekend (he was also in Germany to do something related to his Invictus Games, but returned to Windsor on Wednesday). He went to Balmoral this afternoon, but apparently didn’t make it in time. He was supposed to attend an event in London Thursday evening, but obviously that was cancelled. Meghan is reportedly still at Windsor, she didn’t go to Balmoral with him.
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I know he's currently in Europe and it's possible that he hoped he'd make it in time when he got the message (although, we don't know what kind of message he/everyone got, so it's possible none of them expected it). But I would assume that he was mentally prepared to not be there when she died in general and probably treated every goodbye like it could be the last one. So, I don't think it's not making it in time that's breaking his heart right now.

canbelto said:
Looking back, Kate and Meghan's decisions to stay in London sort of gave away that the Queen had passed away already. If she was still holding on, they would have flown to say goodbye. Or tried to.
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Given that all three kids were in school, I doubt that Kate would have done that.

Speaking of school, I have not heard if Kate and the kids will join the others or if they're going to attend school today. If they do, I would imagine that this would be a difficult situation for a teacher - I'm assuming they'd address the subject and they'd have to do so in a manner that would address the death of a Queen but also be mindful of the fact that it was one of their student's great-grandmother. That can't be easy to handle.

skatfan said:
Everything has already been planned down to the smallest detail and as the press is reporting, the family is coming back tomorrow, so with Kate sending her children off to the first day of their new school, it made a lot more sense for her to stay at Windsor. Why Meghan didn’t go is a bit murkier.
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Do we know where Harry's and Meghan's kids are? If they're with them, maybe Meghan stayed behind with the children, just like Kate did?
 
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