Canadian Ladies 2017-18 season news & updates

[puglover]

I am happy for Gabby - she said she was just looking for "redemption" and she got that - if a bit underscored - but she has moved herself up to the final warm-up group for the long. I often don't get why some skaters don't seem to get called on under-rotations at big events as that would surely help Gabby. I wasn't too surprised with Kaetlyn. She peaked when she needed to at Olympics and this is a super long season.

 

[oleada]

Austman’s content (no 3Lz, no 3+3, only one level 4 element), which she rarely does cleanly, is just not competitive at this level.

Watching during my break and Gabby was awesome! I thought she should’ve gotten a few points higher.

 

[IloveFS]

I don't think that Austman would be competitive even if she skated in more competitions. I don't think she is as talented as other Canadian ladies. There really wasn't any pressure on her at either the Olympics or the Worlds so she should have skated her best. She seems to be getting a push from Skate Canada that I think is undeserving.

I think in Austman’s case she and her team need to take some responsibility. There are a huge number of comps every summer within an easy flight of Vancouver yet she returns to Wild Rose in Edmonton and BC Summerskate. If she had competed at say Glacier Falls and or Golden West every year for the past three years she would have been much better prepared. She need to go out and skate in tough groups in front of tough panels where her spins and steps will be be called a accurately, not friendly local panels.

 

[kwanfan1818]

There is no doubt in my mind that Chartrand should have been the third Canadian lady at the Olympics and at Worlds.

The she should have skated remotely convincingly at Canadian Nationals, where she was 9th after the SP, having erred on every jump, and having -GOE on more than half of her jumps in her FS while skating slowly, and where she had nothing more to lose. At least Austman had some oomph in her basic skating.

Chartrand has been given and earned many opportunities and benefits of the doubt, but she couldn't capitalize on them.

 

[fsfann]

The she should have skated remotely convincingly at Canadian Nationals, where she was 9th after the SP, having erred on every jump, and having -GOE on more than half of her jumps in her FS while skating slowly, and where she had nothing more to lose. At least Austman had some oomph in her basic skating.

Chartrand has been given and earned many opportunities and benefits of the doubt, but she couldn't capitalize on them.

Totally agree with every word here. She had ample opportunity to "force" Skate Canada to choose her, but she choked at every event this season, in every single segment. She looked terrified on the ice during her skates. It's really too bad, as she should be our #3 lady, but she didn't skate like it at all this year...especially at Nationals. I hope she can regroup and come out with some fire burning in her belly next season.

 

[barbarafan]

I think in Austman’s case she and her team need to take some responsibility. There are a huge number of comps every summer within an easy flight of Vancouver yet she returns to Wild Rose in Edmonton and BC Summerskate. If she had competed at say Glacier Falls and or Golden West every year for the past three years she would have been much better prepared. She need to go out and skate in tough groups in front of tough panels where her spins and steps will be be called a accurately, not friendly local panels.

Do you feel Skate Canada would have paid for this? Or partially? It looks like they are sending a few more skaters now with new admin which is a step in the right direction. But compared to russian and European skaters..not near enough.

 

[nadioso]

Personally I think SC made a big mistake last year when juniors and seniors weren't allowed to count US results towards the summer series standings. All it did was discourage skaters from competing in the US last year and that is a shame

The rule changes do put the novice singles rules more in line with the US ones. So there is no excuse now for novices not to go to the US to compete. Please SC , encourage this by allowing skaters to count scores.

Skaters need exposure to tough competition early way before the junior level. If their first international experience is a JGP , senior B or junior B , that is too late for most skaters.

 

[barbarafan]

Personally I think SC made a big mistake last year when juniors and seniors weren't allowed to count US results towards the summer series standings. All it did was discourage skaters from competing in the US last year and that is a shame

The rule changes do put the novice singles rules more in line with the US ones. So there is no excuse now for novices not to go to the US to compete. Please SC , encourage this by allowing skaters to count scores.

Skaters need exposure to tough competition early way before the junior level. If their first international experience is a JGP , senior B or junior B , that is too late for most skaters.

Their r a few novice pairs being sent out this spring to an int'l competition but haven't heard anything yet of other disciplines

 

[coppertop1]

Totally agree with every word here. She had ample opportunity to "force" Skate Canada to choose her, but she choked at every event this season, in every single segment. She looked terrified on the ice during her skates. It's really too bad, as she should be our #3 lady, but she didn't skate like it at all this year...especially at Nationals. I hope she can regroup and come out with some fire burning in her belly next season.

Bottom line is your body of work won't save you if you don't deliver the goods. it was her opportunity and she didn't take it. Larkyn did skate love she wanted the third berth. It's hard to choose someone when they don't put it together.

 

[nadioso]

Funny , of the international novice events , my least favourite is pairs

In international novice pairs rules , skaters can't attempt any of these things in the long or short programs


1. Group 5 lifts
2. One armed lifts
3. SBS triples
4. Triple twists
5. Throw triples

IOW, international novice pairs comps are a waste of time IMO because skaters can't even attempt any big tricks under pressure.

Better to send them to US pairs comps where they can at least try those harder elements.

At least in the other international novice events, skaters can try all their big stuff in the free ( even with restrictions in the short ).

So I don't like international novice pairs events but we should be sending skaters in other disciplines to international novice events.

 

[manhn]

When I think of BOW, I think of Chan or W&P or V&M or D&R. I do not think of Chartrand.

 

[quartz]

When I think of BOW, I think of Chan or W&P or V&M or D&R. I do not think of Chartrand.

well, there was Pina...

 

[manhn]

This BOW argument sucks, so when we use it, we should use it when the skater actually has a body of work. The BOW argument should not apply because, well, the other skater JUST SUCKS SO BAD AND I SUCK LESS!

 

[mag]

Do you feel Skate Canada would have paid for this? Or partially? It looks like they are sending a few more skaters now with new admin which is a step in the right direction. But compared to russian and European skaters..not near enough.

No I don’t think they would, nor should they. It is part of the cost of training and seriously, Glacier Falls would not be that much more than Wild Rose. I think the big problem here was the goal was to get Austman to the Olympics, not have her skate / compete well. I know that sounds odd, because clearly they would have liked her to skate and compete well, but they chose competitions where she had very little competition so she looked good. Even Challenge Cup, which she didn’t chose, ended up being a fairly easy competition where she was on the podium with not great skates.

Skaters need to get out of their comfort zone and go up against skaters where there is a chance they will end up at the bottom if they don’t skate well. They need to learn how to dredge that last bit out of the bottom of the well when they are sure there is nothing left. You don’t learn those skills competing at the same comps with the same judges and competitors every year.

Austman would have score high 50’s with that skate in Canada. It was not a high 50’s skate.

 

[barbarafan]

No I don’t think they would, nor should they. It is part of the cost of training and seriously, Glacier Falls would not be that much more than Wild Rose. I think the big problem here was the goal was to get Austman to the Olympics, not have her skate / compete well. I know that sounds odd, because clearly they would have liked her to skate and compete well, but they chose competitions where she had very little competition so she looked good. Even Challenge Cup, which she didn’t chose, ended up being a fairly easy competition where she was on the podium with not great skates.

Skaters need to get out of their comfort zone and go up against skaters where there is a chance they will end up at the bottom if they don’t skate well. They need to learn how to dredge that last bit out of the bottom of the well when they are sure there is nothing left. You don’t learn those skills competing at the same comps with the same judges and competitors every year.

Austman would have score high 50’s with that skate in Canada. It was not a high 50’s skate.

ITA

 

[danafan]

Chartrand is my absolute favourite skater in any discipline. I was very sad when she didn't make the Olympic team, but it was 100% the correct decision. She was a disaster all season. Austman has pretty much been a disaster internationally too, but at least she showed fight in the free skate at nationals and skated like she wanted it.

Next season's international assignments will be interesting. Austman, by not qualifying for the free at Olympics or worlds, missed out on a chance to improve her season best ranking. She's only 125th and there are 7 Canadians ahead of her. Chartrand is 52nd and is unlikely to get a non host pick grand prix.

Also Austman's TES minimums have expired (the worlds ones; she still has the 4CC minimums valid for next year).

I hope Skate Canada will leave at least one ladies spot at Skate Canada International TBD and give it to whoever wins the summer series.

We're in a great position to keep the three worlds spots too for next year.

 

[Seerek]

Larkyn would have made the free skate cut with better spins; she didn't really get the levels nor the GOE.
That probably would be first on my summer check-list should she be continuing past this season, maybe getting the footwork more difficult next.

 

[Sylvia]

Larkyn's not costing Canada a 3rd spot for next year's Worlds so why all the ???

Chartrand is my absolute favourite skater in any discipline. I was very sad when she didn't make the Olympic team, but it was 100% the correct decision. She was a disaster all season. Austman has pretty much been a disaster internationally too, but at least she showed fight in the free skate at nationals and skated like she wanted it.

 

[RoseRed]

For GPs, I'd like to see them go with one of Gabby and Kaetlyn at SC, Alaine and then leave the last host pick TBD for whoever looks best in the summer.

 

[barbarafan]

Larkyn's not costing Canada a 3rd spot for next year's Worlds so why all the ???

There are a few strong quebec girls improving.

 

[made_in_canada]

There are a few strong quebec girls improving.

Yes, and Larkyn beat them at Nationals. So at least this year, it was the right choice. It’s not like any of the other ladies stepped up to make it a difficult decision for SC. I think SC would have sent anyone with minimums that places third at nationals.

 

[manhn]

I think we all know who to really blame: Osmond and Daleman for winning silver and bronze last year, resulting in a 3rd Canadian Lady going to Korea and Italy. Darn their skills!

 

[honey]

Kurt just said on the CBC broadcast that Kaetlyn has had an injury since the Olympics. I could see lots of tape on her right left ankle today. Hope it’s nothing serious. Though my guess would be that it isn’t or she would have withdrawn. Still though...I’d hoped her injuries were behind her.

Edit- Sorry, it was the left ankle (as noted by @shutterbug).

 

[coppertop1]

I hope she rests in the off season and gives herself time to heal.

 

[Marco]

Larkyn's not costing Canada a 3rd spot for next year's Worlds so why all the ???

Great question. With Kaetlyn and Gabby in the game, should the 3rd spot simply go to the 3rd place finisher at Nationals, or still the person who has the highest scoring potential?

 

[shutterbug]

Kurt just said on the CBC broadcast that Kaetlyn has had an injury since the Olympics. I could see lots of tape on her right ankle today. Hope it’s nothing serious. Though my guess would be that it isn’t or she would have withdrawn. Still though...I’d hoped her injuries were behind her.

Left ankle is taped. Her landing leg. Fingers crossed that it's just aches and pains from a long, hard training season.

 

[WanderlustTO]

There is no doubt in my mind that Chartrand should have been the third Canadian lady at the Olympics and at Worlds.

I love Chartrand and wanted her to make the Olympic team so badly - but her results over the last year or two aren't such Skate Canada would have been justified intervening with the results over the third spot.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Kurt just said on the CBC broadcast that Kaetlyn has had an injury since the Olympics. I could see lots of tape on her right left ankle today. Hope it’s nothing serious. Though my guess would be that it isn’t or she would have withdrawn. Still though...I’d hoped her injuries were behind her.

Edit- Sorry, it was the left ankle (as noted by @shutterbug).

I can't find this foto, but recently there was one where Kaetlyn had her leg inside a bone-density test scanner.
But even without injury, this says it all..... https://www.instagram.com/p/BZ13iufBKoZ/?hl=en&taken-by=kaetkiss

 

[Sylvia]

I can't find this foto, but recently there was one where Kaetlyn had her leg inside a bone-density test scanner.

Probably related to this University of Calgary study? https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...bone-joint-injuries-in-figure-skaters.101468/

 

[IloveFS]

Larkyn's not costing Canada a 3rd spot for next year's Worlds so why all the ???

Not qualifying for the free skate at both the Olympics and Worlds equals negative comments! She's a star but maybe not at the level where she can truly be competitive. The field is way outpacing her.