So Now that the Olympics are Over...Let's Talk About Repeat Programs

Do you honestly like repeat programs?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but not for skaters who I dislike or are rivals to my faves.

  • No, but I'll make exceptions for my favorite skaters

  • It honestly depends.


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VGThuy

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I have one question for all skating fans...were we really ok with all the repeat programs this season or is that just something we said we supported and defended on behalf of our faves for the very important Olympic season and would not have defended otherwise? Conversely for those critiquing them heavily this season, do you have a problem with repeat programs from an artistic integrity and bravery point-of-view or did you just say that to criticize certain skaters that simply annoyed you or were rivals to your faves?
 
I don't like repeat programs. My opinion on that has not changed. But I do understand skaters using them in the Olympic year; it makes sense to use a program that you scored your best with.

I sure would rather have seen a new program from Weaver & Poje. Je Suis Malade just felt stale and it didn't help them as far as I can tell.
 
The one I was "okay" with was Coomes/Buckland because they have been through way too much.

Otherwise it depends. Love Chopin, love Seimei, but still.
Love Je suis Malade, but still.
Love S/M SP, but loved the first one they did at Nebelhorn too and disappointed not to have seen it more.
It's not an artistic thing for me, it's just that we follow the sport so much, and we want new things I guess, otherwise it's stagnating.
I also don't understand sometimes because some skaters have practically the same layout but on a different music so they might as well change.
 
I don't like repeat programs. My opinion on that has not changed. But I do understand skaters using them in the Olympic year; it makes sense to use a program that you scored your best with.

I sure would rather have seen a new program from Weaver & Poje. Je Suis Malade just felt stale and it didn't help them as far as I can tell.
The one I was "okay" with was Coomes/Buckland because they have been through way too much.

Otherwise it depends. Love Chopin, love Seimei, but still.
Love Je suis Malade, but still.
Love S/M SP, but loved the first one they did at Nebelhorn too and disappointed not to have seen it more.
It's not an artistic thing for me, it's just that we follow the sport so much, and we want new things I guess, otherwise it's stagnating.
I also don't understand sometimes because some skaters have practically the same layout but on a different music so they might as well change.

I added a fifth option of "It depends" because Anyasnake reminded me that sometimes it really does depend on context and circumstances. You guys can change your vote if you'd like.
 
I added a fifth option of "It depends" because Anyasnake reminded me that sometimes it really does depend on context and circumstances. You guys can change your vote if you'd like.

Well I think there are reasons for re-using programs and I wouldn't rule it out. But your question was whether we like it. I don't like it but that's because I want to see something new! But that's just my preference.

Ashley's a good example. I was rather :eek: that she would try to use Moulin Rouge a third season (loved the program though) and it turned out her new program would have worked better anyway!
 
Maybe I should get rid of the "It depends" option as I feel like it's a cop-out. What do you guys think? I'm really indecisive today.

ETA: I just learned that one can edit new options in but one cannot take away options. I'm going to change my vote and I hope those saying "It depends" reconsider and take a harder line on this topic. I regret putting in that option because I think it was understood that there are exceptions to things (like if a new program really is heinous or if a skater/team was/were really injured the season before and/or was/were never able to skate their program up to its potential).
 
I love Seimei, and tbh I could watch that forever. Daisuke Takahashi could have recycled all his programs and I would not care one bit, as long as his blades were on the ice.

I understand it for skaters who didn't get to compete a full season with their programs, skaters who might not have money for choreographing two new programs, they might get bad feedback on a program and then ditch it and go back.

That said, I do wish skaters had at least one new programs, for instance I think having both repeating Chopin and Seimei was a little much.
 
Maybe I should get rid of the "It depends" option as I feel like it's a cop-out. What do you guys think? I'm really indecisive today.

you could add options like:
- as long as it is not both programs
- if the skater never got to compete their programs for a full season
- only for my favorite programs
- no more than twice
- only if it was not from the season just ended (not two years in a row)
 
I can understand and sometimes enjoy a repeated program but I very curious to see my favorites skaters trying new things, so I would be super happy if ISU ban reused programs even though it is just for me enjoying new things :P . I still want see to Mao try new choreographers.
 
I answered "it depends" because, well, it depends. :P

If I loved the program and the skater did not have the opportunity to skate it to its full potential at a major event then I am generally happy with an encore performance (Hanyu, Rippon).

But one repeat is enough (talking to you, Ashley Wagner).

I also enjoyed some of the nostalgia of the encore performances for the Olympics. Je Suis Malade for WeaPo, Hometown Glory for DuhRad. In that context I thought of it as them going out on their terms and if that's what they wanted for their swan song, then let the music play.

One other thought - I think the danger of encores is that they need to be skated really well to have impact. Hanyu and Rippon generally pulled that off. But a lackluster performance (Moulon Rouge for Wagner, On Golden Pond for Chen) just makes the program seem tired.
 
I think during the season I didn't like the repeated programs.

BUT when it got to the point the skaters were taking the ice at the Olympics I realised that it didn't matter squat the programs were repeated.

The vast majority of watchers haven't seen skating for 4 years and wouldn't know anyway. And on that world stage it is so important for the skaters to present their best possible program. Why skate to something not as good as your best just to prove a point to the 1% of skating fans who follow the sport closely and want something new? I think I realised that Olympic stage is totally different to the regular skating scene.

Regular Olympic fans don't think like us lol. They don't know what war horses are. I had so many people say to me how original it was for a team to skate to Moulin Rouge.

And I think some of the skaters were lucky to have repeated programs. For example Yuzuru and Weaver/Poje (from the top of my head) have struggled with injuries this season so it was probably fortuitous they reused programs as it would have made it easier to be ready.

So basically repeated programs for the Olympics is OK by me. The rest of the quad I want to see something new.
 
It does depend. On how great the program is, mainly, and in some cases how well it worked for the skater vs a newer one that ended up being rejected. I was really glad S/M went back to That Man. I was glad to see Semei again as to me it holds a very special place in Yuzuru's body of work. I don't know if Rhapsody in Blue is a great program but it was a much better vehicle for Gabby than Gladiator.

Ashley's MR is an obvious example of an old program going stale. Although initially I was glad about WP going back to JSM, it too ended up being not quite as powerful or fresh the second time around. It felt like a miscalculation. And Karen's seemingly desperate program changes... I don't think they had the intended effect. Her results didn't improve and they faded the second time around as well.

Both program and the skating have to be exceptional not to give the impression that the skater(s) are "stuck in reverse." So I'm not for a ban. I would just hope skaters and coaches know it can backfire too.
 
I typically hate repeat programs. Goes back to Nancy Kerrigan skating the same short program 2 years in a row, B&E's lp in '93 and '94, M&D same sp etc.

I may like a clean skate and even be moved by it at the Olympics but we watch these programs how many times through the season?
 
I’m kind of torn on the repeating programs thing, but I think the context does matter. I was definitely disappointed at first to hear Yuzuru was repeating both programs this season, but then when I watched him skate at the Senior B where he broke the WR again, I completely got caught up in the performance again. I also think the fact that his injury took him out for such a huge part of the season kept people from being tired of his programs. By the time Olympics came around nobody cared about Seimei and Chopin being repeats. The entire narrative was about whether he could overcome the injury and skate well enough to contend for the gold.

It’s similar with Adam. He didn’t get to compete a full season with his programs because of his injury so those programs didn’t feel overused or tired when he kept them for the Olympic season. On the other hand, Moulin Rouge felt really stale for Ashley and had pretty much lost its magic. It had its “peak moment” in Boston and for whatever reason never got close to the same magic again.

I wasn’t an ice dance fan during Je Suis Malade’s original run so it didn’t feel stale to me. I think the program suited W/P way better than the Spartacus free dance they had at the beginning of the season. Interestingly, Hawayek/Baker haven’t really gotten any criticism for reusing their FD from last season, but that may be because they aren’t a top team yet and hadn’t had the opportunity to skate at worlds before. Plus they had an inconsistent season so fans may have felt that the FD still had space for growth and improvement and hadn’t reached its peak yet.
 
I don't mind repeat programs as long as the program was special enough to warrant it...

Like Sam Cesario's "Carmen", Angela Nikodinov's "Just For You", Sasha Cohen's "Dark Eyes," Shizuka Arakawa's "Techno Swan," Gracie Gold's SP from 13-14, Osmond's "Edith Piaf" and even 2 servings of Ash Wager's MR was nice.

But things like Knierims MR, Karen's Assasin Tango, Daleman's RIB (for me) dont warrant a repeat.

Next season if Nathan kept his SP I think (for me) that warrants it.. unique program, unique music, unique choreo. It's something that doesn't come around that often. :)
 
At the beginning of the season, I would have loved to see a new short from Yuzuru, but I was thrilled he was using Seimei again because I truly think it will be seen as his signature program. Given his injury though, I am glad that he repeated both programs, it possibly would have been much more difficult for him to skate two new programs.
 
I really think it depends is the only correct choice. There's many reasons to change a program and many reasons to keep a program.

Times I don't mind it:
-If there's an amazing program that deserves to be seen by a wider audience. For instance, I like the repeat of Seimei. It was a wonderful and unique program that deserved an Olympic audience as opposed to the smaller one seen at Worlds.
--(Or if it's just an amazing program in general)
-If there's a chance to improve the program by repeating is. Ashley's repeat of Moulin Rouge was a chance for her to add more complexity to the program and make it a lot more memorable than the first season. A third time was excessive.
-As a cost-saving measure.
-In a situation like Josh Farris (and a couple other skaters) did it where they change one program a season.
-If the skater tried something new that wasn't working, so they switched back late in the season. (Ie. Savchenko/Massot bringing back their "That man" SP for the Olympics)
-If the skater was injured most of the season so we've only seen the program a couple of times.

Times I mind it:
-If we've already seen that program a ton (Ashley's Moulin Rouge the third time)
-If the skater assumes the program is a stinker even if they haven't given it time to develop in competition (ie. Karen's program swapping this season)
-If it's an awful program that everyone hated the first time (God help me if Tarasova/Morozov repeat Candyman)
-If it's a mediocre program that's not improved on over the off-season
 
-If it's an awful program that everyone hated the first time (God help me if Tarasova/Morozov repeat Candyman)
:scream:

If there is one thing that I wish for it's that TarMor get some choreography worthy of their magnificent technical skills. Come on Robin, we know you have it in you (but no clowns, please).
 
There are the occasional programs that are so good (to me) that I dont mind seeing them again. I love Aljona’s “That Man” and Osmond’s Edith Piaf program
I am hoping Gilles and Poirier keep their James Bond free dance for next season.
 
It depends. If it's a great program, I don't generally mind (though I typically air on the side of "no" because I'd like to see what new things they come up with).

Examples:

Really, anything Patrick I don't mind. Yuzu Chopin I love so I do not mind. Kaitlyn SP did not mind. Karen did not mind., Carolina Bolero, Mao Chopin...

Few times were I thought I was a bad move:

Ashley Moulin Rouge
Savhenko/Szolkowy dumping that glorious When Winter Comes to go back to Pink Panther.
Salé/Pelletier Love Story (ick)
 
I can answer this straight-out: I don’t like repeated programs. It doesn’t really “depend” for me. I’d almost always rather see something new. I think I understand most of the reasons why skaters reuse programs (time, cost, strategy), so I get it. But as a fan, I just prefer seeing new programs for the most part.
 
I tend to give a lot of leeway for the mid to lower tier skaters who simply don't have the financial resources to get 2 new programs a season.

I had a survey here many years ago, and people had several examples of programs that were better in their second season.
 
I said it depends, and I really mean that. First of all, I have to like the program. I don't mean that I'll automatically criticize a skater if they repeat a program I don't like because sometimes there are good reasons that I totally get, but of course it's more enjoyable if you really like the program. And of course, I'm human, so how much I like a skater may have an effect.

I think missing time do to injury is a very legitimate reason to repeat a program, and I also get making a switch when something isn't working, especially in an Olympic season, when the stakes are so high. And of course some skaters have issues with funding, which is a fair reason for a repeat.

Some of my feelings on the program repeats this year:

Hanyu - I support repeating Seimei, especially after hearing him talk about how important it was to show his culture. I would have preferred he not use Chopin. Three times is a lot worse than two for me, and I also really don't like both programs being repeats. It was lovely though, and it worked out well with the injury.

Fernandez - I barely consider the Chaplin a repeat, since it was different music cuts, a different program and several years later. I actually think going back to something you did several years ago can be interesting artistically, although it doesn't always turn out that way.

Uno - Didn't love the repeat here, and I do think the first version was more effective. But I don't really connect to his skating, so it didn't actually bother me because I hadn't gone and rewatched it at all.

Rippon - I was fine with it, even with it being both of them because of the injury last year. Of course it helps that I liked the SP and loved the FS. I'm really glad he kept the FS. I would have slightly preferred a new SP, but I wasn't upset about it. The FS actually made me a fan this season.

Nadeau - I was honestly thrilled when he showed up at a summer comp in the Elvis costume. I just love the program so much, and he did miss some of last season with an ankle injury. If he repeated it again, I wouldn't be happy because now I want to see something new.

Zagitova - I had mixed feelings about this one. I liked it better than her SP and I get why she kept it, but it way a bit too much in the way of tutus for me. But I think it was a fair decision when trying to win Olympic gold right after moving up from juniors. But I didn't watch it that much in juniors, so it wasn't boring for me in that way.

Osmond - I was happy she switched. She tried a new program in the summer and I liked it, but the Edith Piaf was a really special program. I don't think Summertime would have had the same magic at the Olympics. And for me at least, it never lost it's sparkle, so it wasn't boring. Looking forward to something new next season, though.

Daleman - I don't have a problem with skaters switching back to old programs midseason if the new one really isn't working, like I said before, which was the case here. I think it was a good call, even though the Olympics didn't go well in the individual. I definitely enjoyed watching it more than that Gladiator mess.

Chen - I wasn't a fan of the constant program switches with her. The Golden Pond SP is pretty, even though she's dressed as the wrong bird, but the FS is meh. I think she would have done better just sticking with something earlier.

Wagner - Like I said with Hanyu, three is way too much for me, as is two repeated programs. And both had really lost their sparkle. I was happy to watch La La Land rather than MR again at Nationals. I honestly think she would have been better off with two new programs because HHCC was even staler than MR.

S/M - I liked the SP repeat. I really got into them, and it's such a fun program. And it worked better for them than their first one. And it was also fresher because they only went back to it part way through the season. And that Olympic dress was just stunning.

D/R - I understood why the went back to Muse, given their struggles and Eric's injury, but it didn't feel that fresh. I was completely fine with the Adele repeat though. Like with S/M, it was fairly fresh because they only did it a couple of times this season. And it was a really lovely performance at the Olympics and the meaning felt right for the Games. A nice song to end their career on.

SK/K - the repeats didn't bother me, but I didn't really feel that the programs were special enough to warrant repeats.

H/B - I would have slightly preferred a new program, but it was lovely and I think it helped them have a really strong season. I'm looking forward to something new though.
 

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