Papadakis/Cizeron #5 - We're In Love With The Shape Of You

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OMG, Gabriella is a more optimistic woman than I am. I'm going to have so much anxiety if she wears it at Worlds.

ETA: Maybe the other one is in Montreal though.

Maybe it now has an illusion strap in the back? That fix is super easy to put in, and if the halter were to break again, that strap would keep everything in place. I just cannot understand why it wasn't put in as soon as they started having trouble with this dress.
 
Courtesy of @maya1985 who provided scans :40beers:, a summary of the new interview from Patinage Magazine with the gorgeous cover from Liam Ross . This interview happened in Montreal just before the European Championships where the journalist talked to two key people in their coaching team: Catherine Pinard and Romain Hagenauer.

First a nice little Q&A:
Where do you take your strength ? GP: within us, within the other, in our coachs and families ...
Your three main qualities ? GC: the ability to question ourselves, determination and involvement
What was the most important professional encounter ? GC: the one between Gabriella and I.
Have you been scared in your professional life ? GP: yes of course, moments of doubts mainly, of anxiety.
What is the greatest risk ? GC: lack of confidence
Were you thinking of being where you are now ? Did you have any role model ? GP: nobody knows where they are, we keep moving that's all...

Catherine Pinard who works with them on interpretation:
She has quite the artistic background: played music then harpsichord, studied theater, classical singing, was a pianist, composer and a musical director in a Theater. Then she coached at Cirque du Soleil for five years where she understood there is a link between the emotional state and the muscular one. She coached Duhamel and Radford. When Patrice Lauzon saw how they were skating differently, he called them up to ask if they had a new coach. That's when she started working with him. She met Gabriella and Guillaume in 2014.
Her role amidst the other coaches: she works on all there is underneath the programs: the story, the energy or the musical phrases. For Beethoven, she looked at his intimate journal and his will. With Gaby and Guillaume, they observed how they felt about it. For instance, if they worked on desire and it made one feel dizzy while the other one felt paralysed, then she was not gonna work on desire but on how dizziness provokes paralysis. When they meet, they used to listen to the sonata, reread the will, talk about it and see if the direction they were pursuing was honoring the music and the program.
The journalist finds Gaby and Guillaume are more present for one another this year, they look more mature, her answer: first time she met skaters, she realized they were more executing orders taken at the boards about edges and such than anything else. She, not understanding a thing about edges, was just asking "but who are you ? what do you feel ?" They were unable to answer. As a musician, she always tries to connect to the source of the music, what emotions it stirs inside while always staying very humble because one can never reach perfection. Gaby and Guillaume learnt this and they don't look to be in total control anymore but to get the closest they can to what's sacred in the music and within themselves. First time she met them she had them sitting and facing each other for 5 minutes. They had never truly look at each other. She then let them three hours looking at each other (they nearly tear her head off though :rofl:) Next day, she asks Gabriella to let go and Guillaume to welcome her. They worked a bit on erotism. This year they wanted to be more identified as artists which they chose to do through Beethoven. As she doesn't know anything about skating, she always bring a fresh perspective.
The journalist feels this year they're in full awareness: they really own what they're doing because they've been working for hundreds of hours on interpretation, presence, charisma and so on this year. They refined each minute details of the movements trying to convey something.

I won't translate Romain's because it's short and nothing new really comes through is interview.
 
Facing each other for 5 minutes straight ? Then 3 hours ? That's crazy. :eek: No wonder why they said her classes were special and quite intense and crazy :rofl:

Thank you @cocotaffy !
 
Thank you so much @cocotaffy! I've personally seen a change this year and I thank Catherine Pinard. They have always been exceptional in interpretation but in moonlight sonata it feels like the world should stop for 4 minutes and witness the world of Gabriella and Guillaume. That's how special it is. And to all of those that say that they are skating on "the same programme", I would argue that they have grown a lot in the way they skate their style.
 
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@maya1985 As I said in the P/C FF on the GS forum, this quote is unbelievable :

“At Skate Canada, we have a history of very professional judging that’s very fair, and we’re proud of that. I feel that, as Canadians, when you win in [the] Olympics, it’s when you deserve it, and we feel like these Olympics medals, that we deserve [them].”

All year, some people have been unbearable saying how judges were on the French' side, how political it was, and that their win was undeserved. Of course it is never the other way around, because how come Skate Canada could cheat ? Hypocrisy at its finest.
This shows you well how a narrative can work in somebody's favour. If the role were reversed, they surely wouldn't be silent.

Anyway, it won't change results, and thankfully P/C are putting that behind them because what's the point ? They really are good sports in every aspect :cheer2: I can't wait to see their programs in Milano again :D
 
Well, most of the judges were on Papadakis/Cizeron’s side this season. If it hadn’t been for the issue with the costume, they would be Olympic gold medallists.

Yes the difference for the gold medal in the SD has been the costume issue but in the FD and overall it was the presence and the biased judging by the canadian judge that made the difference for the gold.

If the situation were reverse we would have a huge uproar. On the Skate Canada as well as V/M fans part we are swimming in hypocrisy and double standard. Accusing the French or the Russians or anybody else of cheating, favoring their own while doing it themselves but pretending to the moral high road ...:revenge:

This being said, let's not have regrets. What happened , happened. And V/M eventhough they are not my cup of tea did skate very well if not as perfectly as their fans pretend even in the SD.

With V/M gone let's hope for a clearer air in ice dance.
 
Yes the difference for the gold medal in the SD has been the costume issue but in the FD and overall it was the presence and the biased judging by the canadian judge that made the difference for the gold.

If the situation were reverse we would have a huge uproar. On the Skate Canada as well as V/M fans part we are swimming in hypocrisy and double standard. Accusing the French or the Russians or anybody else of cheating, favoring their own while doing it themselves but pretending to the moral high road ...:revenge:

This being said, let's not have regrets. What happened , happened. And V/M eventhough they are not my cup of tea did skate very well if not as perfectly as their fans pretend even in the SD.

With V/M gone let's hope for a clearer air in ice dance.

There is never a cleaner air when there is a substantial rival lol.
 
Yes the difference for the gold medal in the SD has been the costume issue but in the FD and overall it was the presence and the biased judging by the canadian judge that made the difference for the gold.

If the situation were reverse we would have a huge uproar. On the Skate Canada as well as V/M fans part we are swimming in hypocrisy and double standard. Accusing the French or the Russians or anybody else of cheating, favoring their own while doing it themselves but pretending to the moral high road ...:revenge:

This being said, let's not have regrets. What happened , happened. And V/M eventhough they are not my cup of tea did skate very well if not as perfectly as their fans pretend even in the SD.

With V/M gone let's hope for a clearer air in ice dance.
Huge uproar.....like a second gold medsl?
 
There is never a cleaner air when there is a substantial rival lol.
If you want to be the best, you have to fight against the best. It's not about the rivals per say ;) The air is cleaner for other obvious reasons.
(Having rivals is actually MUCH better for the sport and the individuals. It's always a good thing.)
 
@maya1985 As I said in the P/C FF on the GS forum, this quote is unbelievable :

“At Skate Canada, we have a history of very professional judging that’s very fair, and we’re proud of that. I feel that, as Canadians, when you win in [the] Olympics, it’s when you deserve it, and we feel like these Olympics medals, that we deserve [them].”

All year, some people have been unbearable saying how judges were on the French' side, how political it was, and that their win was undeserved. Of course it is never the other way around, because how come Skate Canada could cheat ? Hypocrisy at its finest.
This shows you well how a narrative can work in somebody's favour. If the role were reversed, they surely wouldn't be silent.

Anyway, it won't change results, and thankfully P/C are putting that behind them because what's the point ? They really are good sports in every aspect :cheer2: I can't wait to see their programs in Milano again :D

This! I don't want to dwell so much on this topic, but such hypocrisy has been driving me crazy all season long. Firstly, it was all about a French guy Didier who was supposed to do all the dirty work by himself, P/C's mistakes and the whole bias talking. Then the 'the fix is in' theory came in and was still trending even when it was known there'd be no French judge for the Olympic FD. P/C were overmarked, had forgettable programs, skated and performed lifts like any junior would have mastered if someone asked him... Then it was over and the Canadian win was seen as a miracle - they went against all the odds and corruption and misfortune that had been laid there for them from the beginning of the season.
I'm not saying Tessa&Scott didn't deserve to win - they peaked on time and sold their programs in the best way possible. But saying the judging was fair or that there isn't a double standard on the Canadian side is just...
I'm sorry, I won't talk about it again but the recent turn of events just made me get it out.

On another note, the Worlds schedule's already available and the ice dance free dance will close the competition. And they used G&G picture from last year. :D http://www.milano2018.com/en/event/schedule/
 
@maya1985 As I said in the P/C FF on the GS forum, this quote is unbelievable :

“At Skate Canada, we have a history of very professional judging that’s very fair, and we’re proud of that. I feel that, as Canadians, when you win in [the] Olympics, it’s when you deserve it, and we feel like these Olympics medals, that we deserve [them].”

All year, some people have been unbearable saying how judges were on the French' side, how political it was, and that their win was undeserved. Of course it is never the other way around, because how come Skate Canada could cheat ? Hypocrisy at its finest.
This shows you well how a narrative can work in somebody's favour. If the role were reversed, they surely wouldn't be silent.

Anyway, it won't change results, and thankfully P/C are putting that behind them because what's the point ? They really are good sports in every aspect :cheer2: I can't wait to see their programs in Milano again :D

I disagree. This was Moir’s comments in relation to Didier’s comments about the Cdn judge’s marks (which were thrown out anyways). You can’t compare that with what fans say on a chat board. Historically V/M have always peaked for worlds/Olympics.

V/M had the stronger program for the OD .. I am not so sure even if the costume malfunction had not happened that they wouldn’t have still won. The costume malfunctioned in a practice too.
 
I disagree. This was Moir’s comments in relation to Didier’s comments about the Cdn judge’s marks (which were thrown out anyways). You can’t compare that with what fans say on a chat board. Historically V/M have always peaked for worlds/Olympics.

V/M had the stronger program for the OD .. I am not so sure even if the costume malfunction had not happened that they wouldn’t have still won. The costume malfunctioned in a practice too.
This has nothing to do with performances at all. Or the skaters whatsoever.
It's the double standards about European and North American federation. If everyone including skaters seems to think that when a Canadian skaters win it's always because he absolutely deserves it even with CAN judges on the panels, it's really baffling. As if they were not doing political games too. But apparently it's France, Russia and Eastern Europe only that do the tricks. That's what I wated to say. Close your eyes just when it's in your favour I guess...
 
On another note, the Worlds schedule's already available and the ice dance free dance will close the competition. And they used G&G picture from last year. :Dhttp://www.milano2018.com/en/event/schedule/
Dance closing the competition is what we deserve. Just like last year ! Europe knows how to it I guess :lol: I notice that European Championships often have Dance on the last day, if not the very last event. I'm going to be able to watch everything live :gallopin1
 
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