Evgenia Medvedeva Cheer thread

[Vash01]

Exactly, she improved the presentation, but not the tech content and that's what the judges are looking for nowadays as huge TES triggers also big PCS.

That may be true of the ladies but the judges didn't seem to mind Hanyu doing only easier quads (I was thrilled with Hanyu's win BTW). Of course Nathan didn't help his case by blowing the SP or they would have given him the gold. They did give him and Vincent top two in the LP, which I found ridiculous. This is why I don't want to see only the TES determining the champion. I love it when skaters challenge themselves technically, but in the process they often neglect the overall development. That's where I have a problem. Zhenya is a very complete skater now, while Alina is still juniorish in her presentation.

Zhenya is not finished by any means. She has room to develop artistically. She takes her inspiration from Carolina Kostner. So we can expect her to develop into a great artist. I hope her health will allow her to maintain the difficult jumps while she develops her artistry further.

 

[Vash01]

I just watched Zhenya's gala performance. Wow! She has really grown as an artist. She made a couple of mistakes on jumps (since this is not a competition, she could afford to do that). The angst expressed in this performance was real. She looked sad, even a little angry. Nice stretches, flow on the ice, positions. I just wish she was skating as an Olympic champion. The commentator mentioned a possible threepeat at worlds, but I seriously doubt it. The judges have been gifting Zagitova for quite sometime and I am sure the world championship gold already has her name on it.

 

[DELTA]

My concern is Zhenya's fatigue after Olympics. But if she's clean there's a chance.

 

[Meoima]

Yuzuru Hanyu talked to Japanese media about ladies event at the Olympics 2019:
"They (Alina and Evgenia) were very strong. No matter which of them won I wouldn't have thought it strange and I said this earlier to Takahashi (Daisuke). So my honest feeling while watching was that I wanted to give them both gold medals."
From: https://twitter.com/axelsandwich/status/967009048452218881
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In my opinion, whoever says they want gold for both girls secretly hope Zhenia would have won. But still maybe it's just me.

 

[Marymas]

Evgenia doesn't deserve gold based on her technical skills that judges are keep ignoring. Evgenia flutz and she does a toe axel but she's keep getting away with it. And let's not even talk about the ridiculous GOE she gets on those muscled jumps. There is no way Evgenia would have won gold, yet alone SILVER had the calls been correct. But who am I kidding, we're talking about a sport that's been ignoring Evgenia's flutz for 2 years. As long as Alina is healthy, Med will probably get silvers from now on.

 

[Meoima]

Evgenia doesn't deserve gold based on her technical skills that judges are keep ignoring. Evgenia flutz and she does a toe axel but she's keep getting away with it. And let's not even talk about the ridiculous GOE she gets on those muscled jumps. There is no way Evgenia would have won gold, yet alone SILVER had the calls been correct. But who am I kidding, we're talking about a sport that's been ignoring Evgenia's flutz for 2 years. As long as Alina is healthy, Med will probably get silvers from now on.

People can talk about how Alina's SS and presentation are not up to the PCS she is getting honestly.
Someone could make a case that Zehnya deserves more than 4 points in PCS gap than Alina. And personally, I think some people in the skating world would agree on that.
But this is Zhenia's fan thread, not a thread to bash Zhenia or Alina btw.

 

[Marymas]

People can talk about how Alina's SS and presentation are not up to the PCS she is getting honestly.
Someone could make a case that Zehnya deserves more than 4 points in PCS gap than Alina. And personally, I think some people in the skating world would agree on that.
But this is Zhenia's fan thread, not a thread to bash Zhenia or Alina btw.

Except people are bashing and crying how Alina doesn't deserve the scores she received on this thread. Not fair to Alina who put out exceptional technical skills on the table. Even if Med received higher PCS, if the judging was correct, she'll still lose

 

[Vash01]

Evgenia doesn't deserve gold based on her technical skills that judges are keep ignoring. Evgenia flutz and she does a toe axel but she's keep getting away with it. And let's not even talk about the ridiculous GOE she gets on those muscled jumps. There is no way Evgenia would have won gold, yet alone SILVER had the calls been correct. But who am I kidding, we're talking about a sport that's been ignoring Evgenia's flutz for 2 years. As long as Alina is healthy, Med will probably get silvers from now on.

This is a Medvedeva cheer thread. Please take your hatred to other threads that will offer you plenty of opportunities.

And I will say this again- Zhenya was robbed of an OGM big time.

 

[Vash01]

Except people are bashing and crying how Alina doesn't deserve the scores she received on this thread. Not fair to Alina who put out exceptional technical skills on the table. Even if Med received higher PCS, if the judging was correct, she'll still lose

This thread is for Medvedeva. If Alina or anyone other than Med gets criticism here, that is fair.

When people were criticizing Alina on Her cheer thread, i reminded them of that, just like i am defending Zhenya here.

Skaters' Cheer threads are not the places to pour hatred toward them. If there is a cheer thread for a skater i don't care for, i don't post there. There are many other threads to express yourself.

You are new here. I hope you can learn.

 

[Meoima]

Except people are bashing and crying how Alina doesn't deserve the scores she received on this thread. Not fair to Alina who put out exceptional technical skills on the table. Even if Med received higher PCS, if the judging was correct, she'll still lose

Judging is subjective. In another circumstance, the result might be different. We might never know. I have no problem with either of them win. It's a close call. But again this is Zhenia's fan thread, not the place for her to get bashed.

 

[Marymas]

lol Alina getting Gold certainly got some people mad. I'm not saying anything subjective, in fact, I pointed out the objective part of the judging that's been ignored. No matter how much you rant about PCS, it's TES that put her in the 2nd place. Doesn't hurt to fix some people's wrong mindsets especially when I'm only stating factual information.

And I'm not new. been here since last year. Get off your high horse

 

[Meoima]

lol Alina getting Gold certainly got some people mad. I'm not saying anything subjective, in fact, I pointed out the objective part of the judging that's been ignored. No matter how much you rant about PCS, it's TES that put her in the 2nd place. Doesn't hurt to fix some people's wrong mindsets especially when I'm only stating factual information.

And you still do not get that fan thread is not the place to talk down skaters. Like you go to a normal thread and say this skater or that skater does not deserve things, it's up to debate. Fan thread is the place to support and give positive thoughts to the skaters. You have no idea you're rude to people in this thread?

 

[Marymas]

Yes Fan thread, cheer thread. So just cheer Med, not put Alina down like you are doing

 

[Vash01]

Judging is subjective. In another circumstance, the result might be different. We might never know. I have no problem with either of them win. It's a close call. But again this is Zhenia's fan thread, not the place for her to get bashed.

The only other scenario i can think of is -

Zhenya does not get the injury.

She goes into GPF, RN and Europeans as the favorite and wins all three, with clean performances. She narrowly beats Zag.

She goes into the Olympics as The favorite for the OGM. Even though Zag has a more difficult jump combination and the bonus on all her jumps, judges prefer the more complete skater with a balanced program and put her in first place in SP and LP.

Injury is a strange thing. Sometimes skaters hide their injuries because it can imoact the judges' perception. Elvus Stojko hid his injury going into the 1998 Olympics until it was clear that he could no longer do the quad. He lost to Kulik who had the quad and technically superior jumps. So Stojko would have lost anyway, but he was a hero for trying.

Hanyu was injured and he chose to do only the easier quads, but the judges respected his overall skating.

Zhenya didn't get any favors because her fed essentially dumped her in favor of a healthy 15 year old who could land jumps but had no artistry. They had no faith in their two time world champion. This has to hurt Zhenya, and it showed in her gala performance. Normally she smiles before and after her performance. Not this time. I saw tears and anguish in her face.

 

[Meoima]

Yes Fan thread, cheer thread. So just cheer Med, not put Alina down like you are doing

But no one put Alina down. People are saying it can go both way and that's it.
For example, Yuzuru Hanyu himself says he wants gold for both of them. You might say as Yuzuru is good friend with Zhenia so he feels that way but in the end that's not just him but some people express the same (Tarasova for example). This is a subjective sport after all.

 

[Vash01]

And you still do not get that fan thread is not the place to talk down skaters. Like you go to a normal thread and say this skater or that skater does not deserve things, it's up to debate. Fan thread is the place to support and give positive thoughts to the skaters. You have no idea you're rude to people in this thread?

This person has been told nicely, but he/she refuses to stop doing this. I believe it is a troll, seeking attention. I am putting it on ignore.

I have no problem critizing Zag for what she does not do well but I don't do that in her cheer thread. It is not hard to understand the concept of a cheer thread. This poster must be a troll. I am not going to feed it.

 

[Marymas]

This person has been told nicely, but he/she refuses to stop doing this. I believe it is a troll, seeking attention. I am putting it on ignore.

Trolls are those who don't accept the fact, so it's you. Keep putting Alina down because next thing you know she'll beat Med again, and again

 

[Meoima]

This person has been told nicely, but he/she refuses to stop doing this. I believe it is a troll, seeking attention. I am putting it on ignore.

I have no problem critizing Zag for what she does not do well but I don't do that in her cheer thread. It is not hard to understand the concept of a cheer thread. This poster must be a troll. I am not going to feed it.

https://twitter.com/datemakitabeyo/status/967788919742873600
Group hug with Zhenia in the center.

And Zhenia got a Pooh and some strawberries: https://instagram.com/p/Bfp6zTXHGwg/
I wonder if she got it from Yuzuru. He had too many Pooh to share after all.

 

[Vash01]

https://twitter.com/datemakitabeyo/status/967788919742873600
Group hug with Zhenia in the center.

And Zhenia got a Pooh and some strawberries: https://instagram.com/p/Bfp6zTXHGwg/
I wonder if she got it from Yuzuru. He had too many Pooh to share after all.

She looks so sad in that second picture! Heart breaking.

 

[Vash01]

My concern is Zhenya's fatigue after Olympics. But if she's clean there's a chance.

I am also concerned about the fatigue. She gave it all she had, in both SP and LP. She must feel so discouraged! Others may feel fatigued too, but not to this extent. JMO.

 

[Meoima]

She looks so sad in that second picture! Heart breaking.

They said it was at the airport and she barely got to sleep so maybe it was just a lack of sleep.

 

[Meoima]

I am also concerned about the fatigue. She gave it all she had, in both SP and LP. She must feel so discouraged! Others may feel fatigued too, but not to this extent. JMO.

She was fine at the parade: https://www.instagram.com/p/BfooEdlHWIE/

I think mostly she did not have enough sleep.

 

[DELTA]

I am also concerned about the fatigue. She gave it all she had, in both SP and LP. She must feel so discouraged! Others may feel fatigued too, but not to this extent. JMO.

Reportedly, Alina got sick after Olympics. So WC maybe less predictable than we think.

 

[DreamSkates]

This is a Med cheer thread, so if I haven't posted yet, congrats to her for winning the silver, however it was judged, she is special and kudos to her for fighting so hard. Look forward to seeing more of her in the future especially since she was the gold standard (literally) for 2 years.

 

[Vash01]

Reportedly, Alina got sick after Olympics. So WC maybe less predictable than we think.

There is a whole month between the Olympics and worlds, so yes, anything can happen. I don't think Alina is any danger of losing her top spot. I am a bit worried for Med though. i hope she has enough energy to at least win the silver. If she falters, there are two Canadian ladies waiting in the wing.

 

[DELTA]

There is a whole month between the Olympics and worlds, so yes, anything can happen. I don't think Alina is any danger of losing her top spot. I am a bit worried for Med though. i hope she has enough energy to at least win the silver. If she falters, there are two Canadian ladies waiting in the wing.

Olympics was mentally exhausting, but remember she skipped GPF and Nationals. That break may actually help her.

 

[Vash01]

Olympics was mentally exhausting, but remember she skipped GPF and Nationals. That break may actually help her.

I hope you are right. Still, i am sure Zhenya would rather have the Olympic gold than any other gold. That's why she didn't even compete at the nationals ( she was too injured to compete at the GPF, I think). She gave so much to her Olympic performances that she cried a lot when her LP was over. I am sure she was exhausted. I hope she has enough left to produce similar performances at worlds.

Right now i don't see anyone beating Zagitova, unfortunately, but if Zhenya skates her best, at least she will have the satisfaction one gets after a great effort. Looking back, I think she will be very proud of what she accomplished in these Olympics. She overcame a major injury and skated two perfect programs. She has reestablished herself in the minds of doubters. I am hoping that it will work in her favor, moving forward.

 

[DELTA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwotWLgFZ-g

She's doing a lot interviews and has not had time to rest yet. This is so strange cause this is usually happens to a gold medal winner.

 

[Vash01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwotWLgFZ-g

She's doing a lot interviews and has not had time to rest yet. This is so strange cause this is usually happens to a gold medal winner.

So she loses the Olympic gold and now risks losing any chance of repeating as a world champion? I have a terrible feeling that she may not even go to worlds this year. Why bother competing if the result is predetermined?

The ladies result kind of ruined these Olympics for me, i didn't bother watching the gala. Won't be excited about worlds if both Yuzu and Zhenya are absent.

 

[Vash01]

What is surprising (and sad) is the reigning world champion usually gets the benefit of the doubt, but not here. I am sure that in 1998 it helped Tara, although that was not the only factor. I am sure it helped Oksana in 1994. When Sarah won the gold in 2002, she had at least won a world bronze.

Here the two time and reigning world champion skated both programs very well, and yet the win was Given to a skater who had never competed at worlds, and who was less skilled in the non-jump elements. I find that baffling.