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Personally, since I love Ross and his skating, I hadn't forgotten his sp performances the previous two seasons. :cheer2: In another plea for some perspective though, even @Sylvia uncharacteristically once made what I perceived as a joking but nonetheless dissing reference to Ross and his last name post a letdown performance of his at Worlds. That was quite awhile ago and Sylvia may not remember of course. But I still do because as a fan of Ross', it stung. But I certainly don't hold it against Sylvia, and I didn't take her to task either at the time.
Um, I only just saw this part of your post @aftershocks and it bothered me, so I went and searched in the FSU Archives for my post that you referenced. All I could find that comes close to your memory of it was this exchange dated March 16, 2013 (after 2013 Worlds in fake London):
What the US lacks right now is a skater who can consistently get into the top 4 internationally. Skaters like Aaron, Dornbush and Minor are good enough to get into the top 8 but we need a real star who's a threat to get on the podium at least and who won't bomb or have a meltdown.
Ross' last name is spelled Miner.

"Rome wasn't built in a day." There are good young prospects in the pipeline, as we all know. Let them develop at their own natural pace and let's not shove them into the Worlds spotlight until they have the tools -- both physical and mental -- to deal with the pressure. Kudos to Max Aaron for successfully dealing with the pressure this week in his Worlds debut in London!
I agree Sylvia, but part of the problem is that since the US doesn't have a star, the young inexperienced skaters get shoved into the Worlds spotlight, ready or not.
(I included @olympic's post in reply to mine as a :lol: almost 5 years later.)
 
Um, I only just saw this part of your post @aftershocks and it bothered me, so I went and searched in the FSU Archives for my post that you referenced. All I could find that comes close to your memory of it was this exchange dated March 16, 2013 (after 2013 Worlds in fake London):



(I included @olympic's post in reply to mine as a :lol: almost 5 years later.)

Good Lord. This must've been shortly b4 2013 Worlds?
 
Good Lord. This must've been shortly b4 2013 Worlds?
Right after 2013 Worlds.

Rippon's outtake:
https://twitter.com/Adaripp/status/960417544052998145

I'm glad his real response is his mother. I met her at Skate America in Everett, and I can see why he'd choose her (beyond the obvious family and giving birth parts).
Of all the Adam Rippon articles published ahead of the Olympics that I've read online, this one by Scott Reid of the Orange County Register includes the best quotes from his mother: https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/...n-and-off-the-ice-on-the-way-to-the-olympics/
 
I've sent you a pm @Sylvia. That might be the reference. If so, you clearly weren't making light of Ross' last name, but merely correcting the misspelling, so I apologize. I remember the comments differently, but if this is the reference, it was a misreading on my part as emotions were exceedingly high surrounding lagging prospects for U.S. men post-2013 Worlds. I do not think that Ross skated as poorly as he was judged at Worlds that season. Ross did falter, but top skaters are given way more breaks in the scoring than second and third tier skaters who have talent but often have a hard time breaking through due to the dearth of competitive opportunities.

It's rather interesting to look back at the trajectory for U.S. men post-2010 and to see everything that has transpired from this distance. There are obviously so many factors involved. Chief among them is the fact that the competitive structure in figure skating is antiquated in light of the increased depth of talent. Some skaters are caught up in a bottleneck where it's difficult to improve and to achieve notable progress. The sport places it's hopes upon a small handful of talented jumpers for the most part, but then too easily throws skaters on the scrap heap when they run into injuries and performance problems. Presentation skills are generally treated as an afterthought, and the balance is often unfair in the scoring. But we've been over this ad nauseam, and too many emotions and interconnecting factors are involved in analyzing and in trying to gain perspective.

In your subsequent paragraph after correcting spelling of Ross' last name, you praised Max for his Worlds placement but neglected to mention Ross. Therefore, it seemed by implication that you were referencing Ross as not being mentally and physically prepared to do well in 2013, which I disagreed with since Ross and Richard Dornbush both performed very well in 2011 under less than desirable circumstances at Moscow Worlds. They were both treated unfairly in the scoring I felt, but U.S. fed had miscalculated politically and strategically by not sending Jeremy Abbott who was more experienced and well regarded by international judges. We've been over that scenario plenty of times.

I now realize that I misread the context and you weren't referring to Ross, but to younger skaters in the pipeline. I don't see where U.S. fed necessarily rushed skaters out too soon, they just miscalculated emerging realities re quads and the scoring system. And they obviously miscalculated by not sending Jeremy to Worlds in 2011 with Ryan and Richard (and in lieu of Ross). Perhaps 3 spots would not have been lost had Jeremy been sent, although there's no guarantee, but at least Jeremy was more experienced and accomplished. In any case, had three spots not been lost, Ross would have been able to go to Worlds in 2012 since he came in 3rd at Nationals that year. I feel for Ross and Richard especially since they were both very talented and well-rounded skaters who got caught up in the quad era, and in U.S. fed's lack of understanding the importance of quads and the importance of strategies needed for their athletes to succeed under the IJS system.

OTOH, Ross and Richard may indeed feel happy and fortunate for what they've achieved in their careers, for all the highs and the lows and for what they learned in the process on the battlefield. I wish them both well. They've contributed valiantly to the sport and represented U.S. men with such grace, character and sportsmanship.

It is finally somehow fitting that it's a U.S. man, Nathan Chen, who came along in seniors over the past couple of seasons to take the World by storm with his quads and his feel for the music, and his unique and edgy movement qualities, combined with a singular competitive focus.
 
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Um, I only just saw this part of your post @aftershocks and it bothered me, so I went and searched in the FSU Archives for my post that you referenced. All I could find that comes close to your memory of it was this exchange dated March 16, 2013 (after 2013 Worlds in fake London):



(I included @olympic's post in reply to mine as a :lol: almost 5 years later.)

I see Jammers was bashing Max even then - good to see some things never change, I guess. :lol:

In your subsequent paragraph after correcting spelling of Ross' last name, you praised Max for his Worlds placement but neglected to mention Ross. Therefore, it seemed by implication that you were referencing Ross as not being mentally and physically prepared to do well in 2013, which I disagreed with since Ross and Richard Dornbush both performed very well in 2011 under less than desirable circumstances at Moscow Worlds.

Huh? Ross did not skate well at 2013 Worlds. He finished 14th. Max was 7th and it was his Worlds debut; he had zero international rep as he'd done one or two Senior Bs by that point, finished 4th at 4CC and was yet to make his GP debut. I remember the British Eurosport guys wuzrobbing for him, actually. They thought he should have scored better but was being held back because he was new.

It is finally somehow fitting that it's a U.S. man, Nathan Chen, who came along in seniors over the past couple of seasons to take the World by storm with his quads and his feel for the music, and his unique and edgy movement qualities, combined with a singular competitive focus.

Something the USFS had in 2013, but chose to be negative about rather than support.
 
Huh? Ross did not skate well at 2013 Worlds. He finished 14th. Max was 7th and it was his Worlds debut; he had zero international rep as he'd done one or two Senior Bs by that point, finished 4th at 4CC and was yet to make his GP debut. I remember the British Eurosport guys wuzrobbing for him, actually. They thought he should have scored better but was being held back because he was new.

:huh: I didn't say that Ross skated well at 2013 Worlds. He faltered yes, but not as poorly as his overall placement would suggest, IMHO. In any case, I was referring to 2011 when Ross skated consistently well in both performances at his first Worlds. And I wasn't disrespecting Max, nor addressing you. I was responding to Sylvia's comments from five years ago, which it turns out I had misread at the time. :drama: Actually @Sylvia wasn't referencing Ross when she spoke about younger skaters needing to be prepared mentally and physically.

I know what the placements were by the two U.S. men who competed at Worlds in 2013. The stats are easy to look up. Most likely Max Aaron was being held back in the scores at 2013 Worlds. It's not fair, but it's not surprising either. The same thing happened to both Ross Miner and Richard Dornbush at the Japan earthquake delayed 2011 World championships in Moscow. And at 2016 Boston Worlds, it was arguably very unfair for the U.S. men to lose a third spot with all three skating well and the skater placed in front of Adam skating poorly in the fp. Max should probably have been given better pcs and placed 7th instead of 8th too, as he was a point or two behind the skater in front of him.
 
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The article in the OC register linked above had this quote

Rippon’s ample backside was the topic of much discussion earlier this season.

“Somebody asked me if the butt pads I was wearing were necessary?” Rippon recalled. “And I said what butt pads? And they said the ones that you compete with. And I said ‘no, no, no. You’re so confused. I just have a fat butt.’ And you know what I’ve earned by big (rear). Because I’ve worked really hard and I don’t think it diminishes me at all. I have a great body and so like I’m just rocking it and I have the good results to follow my nice (rear). So that’s it.”


I feel badly for him- that he would think anyone was making the "butt pad" comment because he has a "fat butt". Rather, I think people asked that because he has such an unbelievably muscular butt it's difficult to believe (and because some skaters do wear padding for falls). I don't think there is a person on Earth who could argue is butt is less than perfection.
 
Adam has Skater Butt. It is a well-known and (mostly) well-loved phenomenon among men and women who skate.

I read the "fat butt" comment as joking, not as Adam getting down on himself.

I had thought Adam was joking when he tweeted "thanks for your concern, it's my real butt" or whatever the exact words were; but this comment made it sound like he had been offended people thought his butt couldn't really be that large. Like it was body-shaming instead of body-OMGing.
 
In your subsequent paragraph after correcting spelling of Ross' last name, you praised Max for his Worlds placement but neglected to mention Ross. Therefore, it seemed by implication that you were referencing Ross as not being mentally and physically prepared to do well in 2013, which I disagreed with since Ross and Richard Dornbush both performed very well in 2011 under less than desirable circumstances at Moscow Worlds.

Wow, that was a very confusing post! I had to ask my husband to explain it to me. So you are saying that because Sylvia praised Max at 2013 Worlds, she was being critical of the performances of Ross and Richard at 2011 Worlds. Makes a lot of sense now that my clever husband has explained it all. I will probably make a lot of posts praising Max because he is my favorite skater next to Keegan so I might be criticizing the performances of Richard and Ross a lot. I hope you don't get too mad at me!! Max is amazing. Nothing will top his country music Footloose program, but the middle of his Black Swan program where he stops in the middle is also a highlight. It was very artistic. My next favorite is original Footloose program. I could go on and on and on... Now you can tell me what this means I said about someone else's performance like Ross.
 
I love that Ross Miner has done so many Queen and Billy Joel programs. Those are both very important artists to me and both have so many amazing albums. Of any body who could of made those classical rockers work on the ice, Ross was a mix of the manliness of Freddie Mercury and the elegance of Billy Joel! A sensational combination!

If Ross continues, I would request to see from him a program to "Scenes from an Italian restaurant." What a great song from Billy Joel's best few years in the spotlight!
 
Nick McCarvel tweeted that Nathan is not planning to do 4lz in SP and is still "working on it."
https://twitter.com/NickMcCarvel

I know that Nathan didn't do any 4lz at Nationals, but I thought he was just playing around with jumping passes. Does he have an injury which is making the jump difficult, or is there another reason he is avoiding it?
 
Nick McCarvel tweeted that Nathan is not planning to do 4lz in SP and is still "working on it."
https://twitter.com/NickMcCarvel

I know that Nathan didn't do any 4lz at Nationals, but I thought he was just playing around with jumping passes. Does he have an injury which is making the jump difficult, or is there another reason he is avoiding it?

Per Jackie Wong, he just landed a beautiful one in practice.

Nathan has a history of doing what he is not planning on doing so we wait & see.
 
Wow, that was a very confusing post! I had to ask my husband to explain it to me. So you are saying that because Sylvia praised Max at 2013 Worlds, she was being critical of the performances of Ross and Richard at 2011 Worlds.
:lol: I was at 2011 Worlds and Ricky Dornbush competed better than he practiced, from what I recall. I thought both he and Ross Miner had very admirable debuts at Worlds in Moscow, comparable to Max Aaron's 2 years later. :) Moving on... direct links to 2 of Jackie Wong's tweets:

"Nathan Chen's triple axel looking much stronger, much more settled in his entrance edge; ALSO, just landed a beautiful 4Lz": https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/961136463051153408

"Adam Rippon's revised layout for his FS looks to be: 2A, 3Lz3Lo, 2A, 3A2T2Lo, 3A, 3F3T, 3S, 3Lz - upgraded his first combo from 3F3Lo to 3Lz3Lo for an extra 0.7 to compensate for taking out the 4Lz": https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/961140466606538754

Phil Hersh wrote up blurbs with quotes from Adam and Nathan after their Wed. practice: http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2018/02/07/266016450
Chen will skate Friday's short program in the team event.
Since Arutunian coaches both Chen and Rippon, he asked the skaters which phase of the team event each preferred and then told them his choice.
"They agreed with me," he said.
The idea behind the choice is primarily to give Chen, a definite contender for an individual medal, more time until the men's short program Feb. 16.
"Short program is less taxing, obviously," Chen said.

(Jackie's Rockerskating blog has his Feb. 7th practice notes for singles & pairs. Vincent did not practice in the main arena on Wednesday.)

ETA:

Nathan and Adam had the practice rink to themselves on Wednesday morning (Vincent may not have arrived in Korea yet): https://www.instagram.com/p/Be4KEk9l0Kw/?hl=en&taken-by=usfigureskating
According to Lynn Rutherford who was there: "Nathan did runthru of free, Adam doing short."

ETA #2 - Liz Clarke's article for the Washington Post after their first practice (Wednesday morning at the practice rink) with quotes from both skaters as well as Arutunian: Skaters Nathan Chen and Adam Rippon took different roads to the Olympics
Excerpts:
Arutyunyan revealed that Chen will skate his short program in the team event, which gets underway Friday (8 p.m. Thursday Eastern time), while Rippon will skate the long program. A formal announcement is expected from U.S. Figure Skating on Thursday. The remaining U.S. team assignments will be announced later.
Rippon, 28, oozed all the excitement that Chen contained. The moment his blades touched the practice rink’s ice Wednesday, Rippon made a point of skating directly to the Olympic rings at the center and gliding over them, soaking up the significance of all it represented. <snip>
But on the practice ice, he was all business. Wearing a Team USA T-shirt and tights, he went through his short program, which ripples with sass and attitude. His spins were elegant, and his triple jumps exuded confidence.
Chen, who ran through his free skate, drew applause from several of the young Olympic volunteers in attendance who were dazzled by the amplitude of his jumps. He had a rough patch toward the end of the session, putting a hand down to steady himself after one shaky triple jump and falling on a do-over. But he was upbeat afterward.
“I still have a few practices to get the ice under me,” Chen said. “Ultimately everything feels good right now.”
Arutyunyan, 60, whose life has been devoted to figure skating, has a special saying about the Olympics — a competition that he believes exacts a physical and emotional toll unlike any other.
“After Olympics, you get four years older — right away. Next day,” Arutyunyan said. “That’s a problem. So you should play your game very secure. The advice I would give every Olympic athlete: Be very careful what he’s doing during Olympics and make sure he will execute everything he is planning.”
 
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Photo from last week... USFS held their second pre-Junior Worlds camp for singles skaters and the 4 men pictured here are (L to R) Tomoki Hiwatashi, Alex Krasnozhon, Camden Pulkinen and Ryan Dunk (invited): https://www.instagram.com/p/BeoRhSvFK3E/?hl=en&taken-by=usfigureskating
(Apparently not present were the 3 alternates: Maxim Naumov, Andrew Torgashev, Dinh Tran.)
 
I'm glad that Adam's taking out the 4Lz because it's never been really close, at least not recently, and the risk of injury, like what happened at Skate America, just seems so high. Hate to see him pop out his shoulder during the free skate at the Olympics.
 
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