Ross Miner Out Of Olympic Team (OFFICIAL)

[barbk]

How do you explain this to your kids? How do you tell them to do their best today and they do and are told, sorry, it doesn't matter? I know you're trying to encourage your son to do figure skating rather than hockey, but if I were your 11 year old watching this, I'd stick with hockey. I don't envy the discussion I know you're having to have with your children. Hockey winners vs losers? Easy. Speed skating. Easy. Skiing? Easy. Especially, how do you explain how a skater who has beat another skater two years running at the national event and this time by 30 points and they were given a post season bowl game and the other got nothing.

I explain -- all the time -- that getting great grades in spring of junior year in high in two classes doesn't make up for crappy grades in the prior two years when it comes time for college admissions. Nor does a fabulous SAT score make up for poor grades. Better for kids to learn this sooner rather than later. Parents, too.

 

[altai_rose]

You can do your best every single time and make mistakes! This is like don’t do anything unless you are sure you will be perfect! If you are not perfect all the time quit! Don’t continue if you fail a lot! Just quit! Not perfect? You are terrible!

Lol, you're pretty funny.

Sure, you can do your best every single time and make mistakes. Just don't expect to go to the Olympics ahead of others who do their best consistently across competitions and make fewer mistakes/score higher...

 

[Spun Silver]

I do think Ross knew, heading into Nationals, that he had essentially no chance of making the team.
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I think Ross also knew he had no chance of landing on the podium with a perfect free skate that had the audience in the palm of his hand the whole way.

Oh, wait....

 

[Bellanca]

I see a lot justifying going on. Too bad it had to be this way.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The Men's selection, including the alternates, looks exactly like Jackie Wong's chart:
https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/949865969056284672

 

[caseyedwards]

I explain -- all the time -- that getting great grades in spring of junior year in high in two classes doesn't make up for crappy grades in the prior two years when it comes time for college admissions. Nor does a fabulous SAT score make up for poor grades. Better for kids to learn this sooner rather than later. Parents, too.

But things happen! Better to encourage improvement than be like well it’s too late best you drop out of school now!

 

[caseyedwards]

Lol, you're pretty funny.

Sure, you can do your best every single time and make mistakes. Just don't expect to go to the Olympics ahead of others who do their best consistently across competitions and make fewer mistakes/score higher...

But rippon isn’t anyone to dump miner for. He is middling. He’s just a little bit higher level.

 

[barbk]

But things happen! Better to encourage improvement than be like well it’s too late best you drop out of school now!

I don't encourage kids to drop out of high school -- but I do need to help those who have chronically demonstrated poor performance recognize that body of work is indeed a measure that colleges consider, not just your best performance on a single test or in one course.

 

[Bellanca]

I do think Ross knew, heading into Nationals, that he had essentially no chance of making the team.

How inspiring! I'll make sure to tell that to my children.

ETA: I guess Ross should have just stayed home, watched a movie and slammed a couple of beers. More productive of his time, huh?

 

[MsZem]

Same team for Worlds too. Wow, Jason Ross Max to 4Cc.

A bit late, but @misskarne is going to be so happy about this when she sees it in the (tomorrow) morning

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I hear Dorothy Hamill was considered for Team USA, Body of Work and all.

Maybe the Olympic Champion should be considered over ten competitions, too. Just because.

 

[snoopy]

For those asking what's the point of nationals....it still sets assignments and funding for next season.

 

[Allskate]

WOW- I'm wuzrobbing Grant here! (and I LOVE Max...)

This is the part of the team selections that has me the most baffled. I do wonder if the selection team already knew that one of the selected Four Continents team members (perhaps Jason, who will have to be prepared for Olympics and Worlds as first alternate) isn't planning to go to Four Continents. Perhaps putting Max's name ahead of Grant's was just a nod and thank you for all the good work he did in the past, not an actual choice to let Max go and not let Grant go?

I feel bad for Ross, but not too bad. He has not done well the last few years and has not earned the committee's confidence that he would be at all reliable at the Olympics and Worlds. I am very happy for him that he had a great skate last night and that he will always have that to remember. As for pressure, I don't think Ross had nearly the pressure on him that skaters like Nathan, Adam, Jason, and Vincent did. Coming in, those were the only four that I thought had a realistic chance of making the Olympic team. They were four guys competing for three spots. Granted, there was no way Nathan was going to be left off, but he was not feeling his best coming in and all eyes were on him.

Oddly, I'm not sure Adam's popped jumps, or at least the first one, were due to feeling too much pressure. I think after he got through the hard part, his mind might already have gone to the Olympics and he lost concentration. I don't think Jasons's problems were really about pressure either. He's been having a tough season, and I don't think it's due to pressure. For most of his career, he's been quite consistent and he's done well under pressure over the years. So, to me, Ross did not prove, especially in just one competition, that he can thrive better under pressure than the other guys can.

 

[caseyedwards]

I don't encourage kids to drop out of high school -- but I do need to help those who have chronically demonstrated poor performance recognize that body of work is indeed a measure that colleges consider, not just your best performance on a single test or in one course.

But what if someone else just decided to do that senior thing where they just slack off?!?! And you have evidence of that senior slack off. I don’t admit them!

 

[toddlj]

I love how some people just repeat their opinions over and over, thinking they will win someone over.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Hmmm.


U.S. Figure Skating Announces Pairs Selections for World, Four Continents and World Junior Teams

(1/7/18) – U.S. Figure Skating has announced its pairs selections for the 2018 ISU World Figure Skating Championships, 2018 ISU Four Continents Figure Skating Championships and 2018 ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships. The teams were selected following the 2018 Prudential U.S. Figure Skating Championships in San Jose, California.

2018 World Championships
Tarah Kayne/Danny O’Shea
Alexa Scimeca-Knierim/Chris Knierim

Alternate 1 – Deanna Stellato/Nathan Bartholomay
Alternate 2 – Ashley Cain/Timothy LeDuc
Alternate 3 – Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier

2018 Four Continents Championships
Ashley Cain/Timothy LeDuc
Tarah Kayne/Danny O’Shea
Deanna Stellato/Nathan Bartholomay

Alternate 1 – Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier
Alternate 2 – Marissa Castelli/Mervin Tran
Alternate 3 – Chelsea Liu/Brian Johnson

2018 World Junior Championships
Sarah Feng/TJ Nyman
Audrey Lu/Misha Mitrofanov

Alternate 1 – Laiken Lockley/Keenan Prochnow
Alternate 2 – Nadine Wang/Spencer Howe
Alternate 3 – Elli Kopmar/Jonah Barrett

 

[Bellanca]

I hear Dorothy Hamill was considered for Team USA, Body of Work and all.

Maybe the Olympic Champion should be considered over ten competitions, too. Just because.

 

[GreatLakesGal]

How do you explain this to your kids?

I have a nine year old great niece who does some recreational figure skating who would have no problem at all understanding the concept of multiple criteria being used to win a place on the US Olympic team. She's bright but certainly not a genius.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Dick Button for PyeongChang!

 

[tylersf]

Before the Olympics, she was 3 time US Champion and 2 time Silver Medalist at Worlds. Dorothy admitted Linda outskated her in the LP at 1976 Nationals. Both of them went to the Olympics that year.

I hear Dorothy Hamill was considered for Team USA, Body of Work and all. Maybe the Olympic Champion should be considered over ten competitions, too. Just because.

 

[caseyedwards]

I love how some people just repeat their opinions over and over, thinking they will win someone over.

The issue is that the decision is wrong! And there can be no illusion that everyone loves rippon on the team! USFS is trying to whitewash miners success out of existence!

 

[toddlj]

Lot's of people are thrilled that the USFSA made the correct decision. We don't feel the need to repeat our opinion over and over and over.

 

[jiejie]

How do you explain this to your kids? How do you tell them to do their best today and they do and are told, sorry, it doesn't matter? I know you're trying to encourage your son to do figure skating rather than hockey, but if I were your 11 year old watching this, I'd stick with hockey. I don't envy the discussion I know you're having to have with your children. Hockey winners vs losers? Easy. Speed skating. Easy. Skiing? Easy. Especially, how do you explain how a skater who has beat another skater two years running at the national event and this time by 30 points and they were given a post season bowl game and the other got nothing.

It appears that you are posing a rhetorical question, but the answer is of course the obvious one: You explain to them that That's Life. Life sucks, it isn't fair, and there are plenty of times in their futures where they are going to think they deserve something (promotion, Employee of the Month, first chair violin) that they aren't going to get. Life is full of judgment calls, and for most people, there will be more calls going against them vs for them. But life also goes on and there are always other paths and options, if one is unhappy with the current one.

My rhetorical question: Surely any parent should be capable of dealing with this?

 

[just tuned in]

How do you explain this to your kids? Hockey winners vs losers? Easy. Speed skating. Easy.

I think that speed skating is the least-fair of the sports. A contender can be taken out, knocked to the ground by sloppy heat-mate.

 

[rfisher]

It appears that you are posing a rhetorical question, but the answer is of course the obvious one: You explain to them that That's Life. Life sucks, it isn't fair, and there are plenty of times in their futures where they are going to think they deserve something (promotion, Employee of the Month, first chair violin) that they aren't going to get. Life is full of judgment calls, and for most people, there will be more calls going against them vs for them. But life also goes on and their are always other paths and options, if one is unhappy with the current one.

My rhetorical question: Surely any parent should be capable of dealing with this?

Go read Mark Mitchell's response to Phil Hersch about why he's considering quitting coaching.

 

[caseyedwards]

Lot's of people are thrilled that the USFSA made the correct decision. We don't feel the need to repeat our opinion over and over and over.

That’s not true! Most of my comments are repsosnes.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Before the Olympics, she was 3 time US Champion and 2 time Silver Medalist at Worlds. Dorothy admitted Linda outskated her in the LP at 1976 Nationals. Both of them went to the Olympics that year.

Feeling sorry for Kath Malmberg now. She finished 5th at the 1975 World Championships, and 4th at the 1976 US Championships.

 

[barbk]

The issue is that the decision is wrong! And there can be no illusion that everyone loves rippon on the team!

I think you should go to Colorado Springs and picket the USFSA. I mean, if you really feel that strongly about the wrongness of the decision, put some action behind your convictions.

 

[casken]

The Men's selection, including the alternates, looks exactly like Jackie Wong's chart:
https://twitter.com/rockerskating/status/949865969056284672

USFSA would have been smart to put something like this out, unless they did and I missed it.

 

[Sasha is DIVINE]

I feel horrible for Ross not getting the first alternate spot.

But on the bright side this should garner him plenty of goodwill that he will have no problem if something horrible and unforeseen happens in the future and he needs to crowdfund for money.