Savchenko/Massot Fan Thread

Did they ever mention why they didn't want to try a quad twist? If any team in the world has the power and the room to complete one, it's them. But they seem fixated the the 3A.
 
julieann said:
Did they ever mention why they didn't want to try a quad twist? If any team in the world has the power and the room to complete one, it's them. But they seem fixated the the 3A.
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I completely agree, I was fairly convinced they'll go for the quad twist this season but no luck yet. Maybe later on? Their twist is one of the best if not the best, though they tend to lose a level on it, not sure why...
 
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angi said:
Aljona and Bruno new SP is to die for! They have the hardest SP of the season so far and when they'll nail it, it will be glorious. And that lift entry and attention to details - this is what pair skating should be about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4hp4RHtBjk
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I like it but I dont love it yet. Bruno is too bland for this program. But it's got some great touches.

I didnt realize they tended to get dinged on their 3 twist. I cant believe it! Someone please explain that.
 
julieann said:
Did they ever mention why they didn't want to try a quad twist? If any team in the world has the power and the room to complete one, it's them. But they seem fixated the the 3A.
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They will go for the 4Tw this year. I am sure. Maybe already tomorrow. We will see.

Their SP got very good feedback. I am still not totally convinced. Some moves in the lift and steps are superior but some need more practice. Hope it grows with the grand prix.

I am annoyed by the 3ATh. It is massively huge. How will she ever land this throw?? I am not fan of this strategy. They should show a good 3Fth and push their PCS with clean programs.
 
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angi said:
I completely agree, I was fairly convinced they'll go for the quad twist this season but no luck yet. Maybe later on? Their twist is one of the best if not the best, though they tend to lose a level on it, not sure why...
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They had lost levels because of the easy entry and weak split position last year. But I am not sure why they lost a level this time.
 
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Aliona has really wanted to do the throw. At this point, they are only attempting it in lesser competitions that are non-Olympic qualifying because it’s a dream of hers. I can respect that. There is a reason why they keep trying that more. If she were not landing it in practice, I doubt very seriously if they would be trying it and competition.
 
arakwafan2006 said:
Do they have the best Twyst lift of all time?
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I think they do but who am I to judge :)
I think this SP will get better with more performances, but the quality of it is great. I think Bruno came a long way since 2016 and when he'll be less nervous he'll perform better too - last season he nailed (imo) both the SP and FP and both were very different from each other.
 
I'm loving the details in the choreography. They need a little more speed, especially in the lift. I'm also frustrated about the 3axel. I can understand training it and wanting it in the program - but why not do a throw 3flip a few times, just to see how it scores and have it as an option?
 
Do we know who did the short? Was this Dean’s work? Doesn’t look like it but if so, it’s the best I’ve seen. This short program is unreal if you ask me. Aliona is a masterful performer. What on earth is going on with the jumps I’m not sure. I think the newness of the program and its overall complexity caused her to be unable to really get it back after the Axel splat.

They were ambitious and sometimes mistakes happen. I do want to see clean performances from this team but. I also respect that they’re trying to push things further than just being like the rest. This program though is just amazing. They are at this point pairs acrobats lol.
 
This is an amazing SP! Just gorgeous choreo. I think the issue on the twist is that she makes contact with him on the way down. The man is to catch the girl at the waist and set her down. This should be the only contact on the dismount. This is why often the lady has her arms stretched upwards; so as to avoid that particular contact.
 
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Cherub721 said:
I'm loving the details in the choreography. They need a little more speed, especially in the lift. I'm also frustrated about the 3axel. I can understand training it and wanting it in the program - but why not do a throw 3flip a few times, just to see how it scores and have it as an option?
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Yeah, I agree they should try to do that. Not sure Aliona will ever be able to land the 3A throw in competition with the height and the length of that jump. Wonder what their success rate is in training. If it's low, they are just gambling with it and the risk of injury is high. They gave me quite a scare in the SP earlier.:eek:
 
VarBar said:
Yeah, I agree they should try to do that. Not sure Aliona will ever be able to land the 3A throw with the height and the length of that jump. Wonder what their success rate is in training. If it's low, they are just gambling with it and the risk of injury is high. They gave me quite a scare in the SP earlier.:eek:
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But they know Sui/Han have 4Tw. Duhamel/Radford the sbs lutzes and possibly a 4Thr. James/Cipres the 4Thr Sal. These things must play into it. But still, I agree, try the 3Thr and see what a clean skate scores.
 
VarBar said:
Yeah, I agree they should try to do that. Not sure Aliona will ever be able to land the 3A throw with the height and the length of that jump. Wonder what their success rate is in training. If it's low, they are just gambling with it and the risk of injury is high. They gave me quite a scare in the SP earlier.:eek:
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90% according to their coach which is why they keep it. The problem is if the 10% failure occurs during a comp. I wish they'd drop it especially since Duhamel/Radford have dropped theirs. I agree that the problem is the height she has on the jump. It makes it so difficult to land on two feet much less one. I think this is also why they don't get level 4s on the twist. It's so high that I think they get antsy waiting for her to come down safely. I'm hoping they see how the other teams are doing and adjust accordingly. They know what Tar/Mor, Duh/Rad and James/Cipres have. They just need to do the math and pick the best course to an OGM. Or I'll be a nervous wreck by February and will be watching through my fingers like I used to do for Kwan.
 
LOVE the SP!!! As for the 3A throw - they can never land clean throws because they are so huge, so if they are messing up - they might as well mess up on the 3A.

German authorities need to give him citizenship!!!!! NOW!!!!
 
kittysk8ts said:
But they know Sui/Han have 4Tw. Duhamel/Radford the sbs lutzes and possibly a 4Thr. James/Cipres the 4Thr Sal. These things must play into it. But still, I agree, try the 3Thr and see what a clean skate scores.
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It is not allowed to do a quad in the SP. S/H and J/C show their quads in the FP.

This it what makes D/R so competitive in the SP. Their lutz.

That is why aljona keeps on tryling the 3ATh.
 
kittysk8ts said:
I think the issue on the twist is that she makes contact with him on the way down. The man is to catch the girl at the waist and set her down. This should be the only contact on the dismount. This is why often the lady has her arms stretched upwards; so as to avoid that particular contact.
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I also need to rewatch but...

I think their twist yesterday was "only" level 3 because in pairs, the callers seem to be much, much stricter about footwork immediately preceding the twist compared to e.g. what happens the singles with the footwork heading straight into jump thing in SP (where esp. top skaters might get away with a simple step/turn or two and then a looong pause before the take-off). There only needs to be a relatively short pause between the steps (and/or small lift) and the launching into air and POOF! there went one of the Tw levels. I also think this was what happened to Aljona & Bruno several times during last season.

So, I think they might've gotten credit for 1) her split 2) his hands down 3) clean catch but not for 4) preceding steps.
 
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According to this short article https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/319051.ein-deutscher-test.html Bruno already started with his third test, and actually applied for are fourth in advance. Apparently he has problems comprehending German: »Es ist so schwierig für mich, einen deutschen Test zu verstehen«, sagte der Vizeweltmeister [...].«
There is only one cure to that: strictly German – best a sign on his back: Talk to me, in German only. And only German on his Insta or FB or elsewhere, e-mails ...
 
text_skate said:
There is only one cure to that: strictly German – best a sign on his back: Talk to me, in German only. And only German on his Insta or FB or elsewhere, e-mails ...
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Yep. I know from my own experience that the sink-or-swin method is very effective when it comes to language learning. If people around you can't or won't speak neither in your language nor in English and you just have to wreck your brain trying to communicate with them, YOU LEARN. QUICK.
 
nimi said:
I also need to rewatch but...

I think their twist yesterday was "only" level 3 because in pairs, the callers seem to be much, much stricter about footwork immediately preceding the twist compared to e.g. what happens the singles with the footwork heading straight into jump thing in SP (where esp. top skaters might get away with a simple step/turn or two and then a looong pause before the take-off). There only needs to be a relatively short pause between the steps (and/or small lift) and the launching into air and POOF! there went one of the Tw levels. I also think this was what happened to Aljona & Bruno several times during last season.

So, I think they might've gotten credit for 1) her split 2) his hands down 3) clean catch but not for 4) preceding steps.
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Understood, but they did a fantastic transition into the Tw.....I think the issue is the catch was not quite clean. Beautiful program regardless. :)
 
kittysk8ts said:
Understood, but they did a fantastic transition into the Tw.....I think the issue is the catch was not quite clean. Beautiful program regardless. :)
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What I was trying to get across is that no matter how fantastic the preceding transition was into the Tw, if she spends a tiny little bit too much time in the lutz/flip take-off position before actually taking off, the callers can interpret that as not fulfilling the requirements for immediate steps before the element.
 
kittysk8ts said:
This is an amazing SP! Just gorgeous choreo. I think the issue on the twist is that she makes contact with him on the way down. The man is to catch the girl at the waist and set her down. This should be the only contact on the dismount. This is why often the lady has her arms stretched upwards; so as to avoid that particular contact.
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I don't think it's a contact issue - Bruno always catches her on the waist and she never hits his body on the way down. And if she did I think that would be a GOE issue rather than a level issue. Seriously if they get dinged for contact then no other pair in the field should ever get credit because Sav&Mas have the best triple twist of the field - last year he was catching her and keeping her in a lift position for a split second before putting her down.

I love love LOVE this SP - I love the details - I love that the elements like the twist aren't in the usual places - the other corner, she exits on the other foot on an inside edge. The Axel has a straight line set up down one side. Plus all of the touches in the choreography :swoon:
 
antmanb said:
I don't think it's a contact issue - Bruno always catches her on the waist and she never hits his body on the way down. And if she did I think that would be a GOE issue rather than a level issue.
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If there really was body contact it would be a level issue (as well as a GOE issue if the contact was obvious/crashy). Again, gotta rewatch but I watching it yesterday the catch looked clean to me.

I think the only team that can "afford" a not-clean catch levels-wise is Sui/Han because they do their 3Tw with tano.
 
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