Ermolina's interview with Mishin `A programme without the quads is empty'

[lala]

You do know it was a joke right?.. intentional joke, from Mishin, and the journalist made the notations to make sure it is obvious..... underlining that Mishin was laughing/winking when saying that, and the journalist knowing the text of the poem Mishin was quoting, set up the questioning accordingly.
http://www.sovsport.ru/gazeta/article-item/214554

Mishin was playing with Classic Russian poem, by Nekrasov, which translates something like "The mighty woman of Russian Village"
https://www.inpearls.ru/264700
... she is proud and strong, can lift a ton, stop a galloping horse, rush into a barn on fire without a hose..... etc.

Yes, I knew it that was a joke but I didn't know where I find the links. Thanks for your thorough explanation.
And honestly the Soviet-Russian women were always depicted as strong, muscular and big. And their power was unquestionable during the II.W W.

 

[Xela M]

That's not the point. The point is Mishin assumes that the people watching the competition understand which jump is a quad and are more excited because of the difficulties. That's not true. Many people watch it don't know what a quad is. On Facebook and twitter I have seen many people ask "how to tell if it's 4 revolutions". I am just pointing out the truth. Especially in Olympic season when many casual viewers turn the tivi on, they will not know whose programs are more difficult unless the commentators tell them.
Not to mention, many people are excited just to watch Jason Brown's River Dance and did it have any quad? None.

Err... the commentator says: "It's a quad!"

Your argument makes no sense (with respect). A casual fan can't tell a double axel fom a 3Lz. So what? That's why the commentators are there.

 

[Meoima]

Err... the commentator says: "It's a quad!"
Your argument makes no sense (with respect). A casual fan can't tell a double axel fom a 3Lz. So what? That's why the commentators are there.

You clearly didn't read my posts at all.

 

[arakwafan2006]

It just blows my mind... I'm 35 and i can't really remember what I had for breakfast on Friday. He and Moskvina are...older than I am and their minds are as sharp as ever. I like how he easily references past skaters and has no problem stating his role in the evolution of pairs skating. His perspective is accurate and with merit and, he's been around long enough to know what's true and what is not.

While I do not think that all pairs should learn from Moskvina or that all singles should learn from Mishin as they teach an almost patented and specific way to execute elements without adapting it to the individual skater, in general, they've forgotten more than a lot of coaches will ever learn. Kostner is immensely brave working with Mishin because he's making her bend her style to his philosophy. That's tough given her success doing it the way her old coach advised and given how much success she's had with her old technique which frankly wasn't too shabby at Sochi.

I enjoy listening to Mishin, Tarasova and Moskvina. They don't dilly dally with trying to say it the right way. The truth is the truth and here it is. I love it.

The statement i'll always remember is the part about making programs to win medals. Many people have articulated the Russian style in different ways but he said it best. like it or not, it works. In the case of the unbeatable one he mentioned, I day dream of what she'd look like with another choreographer but a dream is all it will ever be because the current formula works and is best in class. Also, her skating skills and every competency is approaching being impeccable.

Thank you for translating this interview. It was WAY more interesting than the book i was going to read at lunch ( The Alchemist).

 

[Tinami Amori]

Yes, I knew it that was a joke but I didn't know where I find the links. Thanks for your thorough explanation.
And honestly the Soviet-Russian women were always depicted as strong, muscular and big. And their power was unquestionable during the II.W W.

Nekrasov's poem about "Mighty Peasant Woman" is late 19th century, just saying.

The "Soviet Woman" (Russia's Vogue? managzine from the 50's, 60's, 70's) presented a slightly different image... . Have you ever seen "Soviet Mrs. June Cleaver"?
http://cs-msk-fd-4.ykt2.ru/media/upload/photo/2015/08/27/mini/ris1-012.jpeg
https://st.violity.com/auction/view/auctions/33/68/98/33689882.jpg

.... or "Working Woman"... aka "Russian Mary T. Moore".........
https://mylitta.ru/uploads/posts/2013-10/1380621522_vintage-magazines-012.jpg
https://mylitta.ru/uploads/posts/2013-10/1380621501_vintage-magazines-002.jpg

.... and yes, WWII times women in Russia were quite special....
http://www.filipoc.ru/attaches/post...e-pobedu/c680849eb79c4802372f808ded93134c.jpg
http://www.rossiyanavsegda.ru/uploads/other/2016/06/23/opolch.jpg
http://b1.m24.ru/c/206554.930xp.jpg

........ every decade was/is "a new adventure" in my homeland.......

 

[lala]

Nekrasov's poem about "Mighty Peasant Woman" is late 19th century, just saying.

The "Soviet Woman" (Russia's Vogue? managzine from the 50's, 60's, 70's) presented a slightly different image... . Have you ever seen "Soviet Mrs. June Cleaver"?
http://cs-msk-fd-4.ykt2.ru/media/upload/photo/2015/08/27/mini/ris1-012.jpeg
https://st.violity.com/auction/view/auctions/33/68/98/33689882.jpg

.... or "Working Woman"... aka "Russian Mary T. Moore".........
https://mylitta.ru/uploads/posts/2013-10/1380621522_vintage-magazines-012.jpg
https://mylitta.ru/uploads/posts/2013-10/1380621501_vintage-magazines-002.jpg

.... and yes, WWII times women in Russia were quite special....
http://www.filipoc.ru/attaches/post...e-pobedu/c680849eb79c4802372f808ded93134c.jpg
http://www.rossiyanavsegda.ru/uploads/other/2016/06/23/opolch.jpg
http://b1.m24.ru/c/206554.930xp.jpg

........ every decade was/is "a new adventure" in my homeland.......

oh...thank you..some of them are so familiar for me.. I grew up in soviet block...

 

[Fairuza]

Methinks most people didn't bother reading Mishin's article and his point where he makes that dubious statement about the quadless programs being boring. It was about retired skaters who stop jumping quads after their career is over - they perform at shows, but, according to Mishin, their performances are just bland and boring.
Which is just ridiculous - Yuzu didn't have to jump a quad in his ex this year for it to be a gorgeous program, for instance.

 

[Bellanca]

Every generation of skaters should be allowed to shine for their accomplishments in their time, regardless of their jump content. Some of the most notable performances and competitions had happened before half of the posters on this forum were even born. Retired skaters know it is never good to see the sport regress, but they're also aware that competitive skating existed before the 1990’s!

It is always good to keep the sport moving forward, and that means technical advancement.

 

[VGThuy]

This thread is like FSU's greatest hits. Impressive!

You could say that again!

 

[Aerobicidal]

Coming later in July: Ivana Komova's interview with Mishin! Tentative title options:

Mishin Statement
Mishin Accomplished
Your Mishin, Should You Choose to Accept It
Man on a Mishin
Mishin in Life
Peacekeeping Mishin
Mishin Viejo
Mishin Control
The Mishin District
Mishin to Mars
Mishin of Burma
Mishin Hill
Mishin Revival Style Architecture

 

[Vagabond]

Mishin Viejo!

And he is!

 

[lala]

We all know there are programs what are great without quad. And Mishin also knows that. If you know Mishin only a little bit you will know it does not have to be understood literally what he says. Many times he says the content in metaphors,symbols .
I'm sure he wanted to say this: he is happy the men skating is developed toward the jumps and those are what audience love to see the most ! The hard jumps;quads.

One of my favorite story from Mishin. Mishin, one of the great wisecracking storytellers in skating, loves to describe 11-year-old Plushenko's arrival at the famed Yubileyny Sports Palace in St. Petersburg: "He looked like a cheap chicken, very green and very blue and no fat .... very ecological!"

and yes, he is old he was 75 in March.

 

[Jaana]

At Europeans 2010 Plushenko gave this interview, which was rather thoughtless, IMO:

http://www.absoluteskating.com/index.php?cat=interviews&id=2010evgenyplushenko

Excerpt:
Could you compare the new generation with the old one?

It’s hard because the scoring system has changed since then and the Code of Points still has its flaws. If the judges want someone to place high, they can arrange it. Like in Tallinn, Brian Joubert got more points for his transitions than me, although we did exactly the same transitions on the ice. In fact, we don’t have any transitions because we focus on our jumps.

 

[MsZem]

This thread is like FSU's greatest hits. Impressive!

And now it's truly complete:

At Europeans 2010 Plushenko gave this interview, which was rather thoughtless, IMO:

http://www.absoluteskating.com/index.php?cat=interviews&id=2010evgenyplushenko

Excerpt:
Could you compare the new generation with the old one?

It’s hard because the scoring system has changed since then and the Code of Points still has its flaws. If the judges want someone to place high, they can arrange it. Like in Tallinn, Brian Joubert got more points for his transitions than me, although we did exactly the same transitions on the ice. In fact, we don’t have any transitions because we focus on our jumps.

FWIW, it was a press conference, and I'm not sure what might have been lost in translation given that none of those involved were native English speakers.

I have absolutely no idea why you thought it was relevant at all to Mishin's interview.

 

[lala]

 

[misskarne]

I have absolutely no idea why you thought it was relevant at all to Mishin's interview.

Probably because it's the only defence Plushenko's haters have for Inman's inexcusable, corrupt instruction to the judges before Vancouver...

 

[kwanfan1818]

Inman: He admits it himself. He admits that it's deliberate. Don't get played.

 

[MsZem]

Probably because it's the only defence Plushenko's haters have for Inman's inexcusable, corrupt instruction to the judges before Vancouver...

I'm not sure what that has to do with Mishin's interview, either...

 

[Fairuza]

We all know there are programs what are great without quad. And Mishin also knows that. If you know Mishin only a little bit you will know it does not have to be understood literally what he says. Many times he says the content in metaphors,symbols .
I'm sure he wanted to say this: he is happy the men skating is developed toward the jumps and those are what audience love to see the most ! The hard jumps;quads.

So basically there's only one person allowed to interpret what Mishin's saying - and that's you. Excuse me, I have to disagree. The fact someone does jump a million quads in their programs doesn't make quadless programs any less artistic than beautiful quadless programs. And the audience still loves those quadless programs, despite everything Mishin claims.

Oh, Mishin's a master of outrageous statements, that's all right. He has me chuckling every time I read his interviews - there's only one thing: I stopped taking them seriously.

 

[adelia]

Coming later in July: Ivana Komova's interview with Mishin! Tentative title options:

Mishin Statement
Mishin Accomplished
Your Mishin, Should You Choose to Accept It
Man on a Mishin
Mishin in Life
Peacekeeping Mishin
Mishin Viejo
Mishin Control
The Mishin District
Mishin to Mars
Mishin of Burma
Mishin Hill
Mishin Revival Style Architecture

Mishin Impossible

 

[lala]

Mishin Impossible

 

[bardtoob]

There is no shame in Mishin being in Plushenko's corner, but Plushenko's idiotic comments are not Mishin's comments.

I bet Mishin slapped Plushenko's upside the head for the stupid things he said over the years.

 

[lala]

There is no shame in Mishin being in Plushenko's corner, but Plushenko's idiotic comments are not Mishin's comments.

I bet Mishin slapped Plushenko's upside the head for the stupid things he said over the years.

I read his every comment.. I don't think he had one idiotic! comment.

And he is a great man, he is a great father!, he is one of the greatest skaters, he is the rolemodel of the top skaters today. Fernandez said Plushenko is one of the greatest persons, Hanyu is crazy for him, he looks like a fanboy if he is next to Plushenko, Mao Asada said Plushenko and Midori are two respected persons for her, Miki Ando thanked to the god because he is exist... etc. I can show you many skaters, commentators' comments about him. They really respect Plushenko. In Sochi after the short program the Tv commentators stood up for him... Do you want to know Orser's opinion??

He lives/lived his life as a perfect athlete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVGRZLmIEIw

He doesn't attack anybody. He has bad words on anybody if he responds the attacks. He has two degrees, he did more things for the figure skating as many others together ( Ottavio Cinquanta )
Plushenko really doesn't deserve this. This was too much, shame on you bardtoop.

 

[bardtoob]

I read his every comment.. I don't think he had one idiotic! comment.

@lala Plushenko is quite respectable and I count myself a fan of his skating, but he is not infallible ... And if you think respectable and infallible are mutually exclusive, then I have a world leader to sell you. He made one dumb comment at one inconsequential competition. So what! It is not like he skated the same in Tallinn as he did in Vancouver.

Moreover, Mishin is not Plushenko, and Plushenko is not Mishin. They are their own men. Mishin has accomplished what he has accomplished, and Plushenko has accomplished what he has accomplished.

I, for the life of me, can't see why you are reacting this way. The way you talk of Plushenko like an angel, one might think he is not hot blooded enough for sport.

 

[lala]

@lala Plushenko is quite respectable and I count myself a fan of his skating, but he is not infallible ... And if you think respectable and infallible are mutually exclusive, then I have a world leader to sell you.

I can accept many things....we are too different, who is sympathetic for me that is not sympathetic for another person.
Plushenko is not perfect, infallible, etc, of course.. Who is it???? But he is a human being. He is not idiotic by far and he is not a s**t man and thus anybody can use any rude words on him.

Maybe I'm a Drama Queen now, but your post was a KO for me.

 

[bardtoob]

But if he is a human being. He is not idiotic by far and he is not a s**t man thus anybody can use any rude words on him.

Maybe I'm a Drama Queen now, but your post was a KO for me.

Ahhh ... I am thinking you see the word "idiotic" as stronger than I meant.

I meant idiotic like how a teenage male just coming into his own says the wrong things, does not back down, and is proud, thus needs to be kept inline by an older man. Of course, what athlete does not continue to have an extra long course of this? Athletes stay in sport because they like proving themselves.

 

[bardtoob]

@lala I am known to be over the top, myself, so anything you said is quite forgivable

 

[lala]

Ahhh ... I am thinking you see the word "idiotic" as stronger than I meant.

I meant idiotic like how a teenage male just coming into his own says the wrong things, does not back down, and is proud, thus needs to be kept inline by an older man. Of course, what athletes does not continue to have an extra long course of this. Athletes stay in sport because they like proving themselves.

Yes, it became clear I'm a drama queen

 

[bardtoob]

Yes, it became clear I'm a drama queen

Don't beat yourself up. I understand. You are fine by me.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I read his every comment.. I don't think he had one idiotic! comment.

It was genius to announce publicly that he only intended to skate in the Team Event in Sochi, when the rules clearly stated that he also had to skate the individual competition.

Had he kept his mouth shut, he could have withdrawn after the TE with injury, which no one could dispute, and either Kovtun or Voronov, depending on whom they were actually calling, could have skated in the individual event.