Duhamel/Radford update coaching team - no longer with Gauthier

I'm kind of surprised that people are surprised. They had a bad season and went from being reigning World Champions to not even being on the podium in one season. It would have been more surprising if they didn't make a change.
 
That was me. Oops, they had the 4-sal throw, right, not the 3-axel. Ah, last season is already lost to the mists of time?

Ah yes, but we can still look back, no? There's always Youtube, and here's a clip of a decent quad throw landing from Vanessa's Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRv8P-UF1cK/?taken-by=vanessa_james_sk8

And this clip is just toooo funny :rofl: :lol: :D "Too early to be sexy in the mornings!" :lol: :p
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRHxS2Sla5i/?taken-by=vanessa_james_sk8

Mayhap feisty vegan Meagan might be able to show Vanessa et Morgan how to be sexy in the mornings at training practices, eh @Karpenko. :rofl: :glamor: But I would add, if John Kerr and JohnZ can't manage that, Meagan is not gonna either! :p :D

I'm kind of surprised that people are surprised. They had a bad season and went from being reigning World Champions to not even being on the podium in one season. It would have been more surprising if they didn't make a change.

Sure, some significant changes were needed and anticipated yes! But in their final season, a coaching switch of this nature. Puhleeze, like it's not a surprise. D/R had wonderful success over a long period with Gauthier/Marcotte. They've hit bad patches before and bounced back with their same very well-respected coaches. They just ran into some stumbling blocks last season, which had more to do seemingly with creative fatigue, injury, and stumped strategic planning, than anything else. The only reason D/R are making this kind of change in their final season, is due to the fresh, exciting innovativeness coming out of JohnZ/JohnK camp in Florida -- of an earth-shaking and influential nature no less. But keep on pretending like it was expected for D/R to split from Gauthier and head to Florida with BMarcotte & JMarcotte in tow. :rolleyes:

It's clearly not surprising that there are pairs who want to or who may be eyeing a move to Florida and JohnZ. That D/R are following in W/P footsteps for choreo from John Kerr is certainly not surprising. But the coaching switch is a surprise. Continue coloring yourselves blase about it though. :blah:
 
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Wait... say what??? Radford is engaged to an actual ice dancer from Spain... ?? .. ??

I surrender..... Ill never know it all.. LOL

I mean I'm on these boards almost daily (some times 3 x a day) How in the world did I ever miss this news????

I hope he is on good terms with Norman and the girl they were raising.

Anywhooo how cool will it be (at least for me) to see it as no more a big deal in sport or anywhere when a woman loves/marries a woman or man/man. And even cooler when a man from Canada in pairs is married to a man in dance from Spain in the sport of Figure Skating!!

OK, back to topic at hand.. I hope for an Oly medal for them!!!!
 
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I don't think that Meagan is going to boss Vanessa and Morgan around, tell them what to do, or even give any opinions/advice unless they ask for it @aftershocks :lol: I just think Meagan's presence in general is what'll get their competitive fire going (and apparently Aljona's too, judging by her instagram). From everything I've seen and read, a lot of the pairs skaters love and respect her which means she's probably cool to have around. Same for Eric but he's a much calmer person.
 
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Awww, sure our Meg is cool to have around @Karpenko. And Eric is so lovely and artistic. BTW, no one said anything about expecting Meagan to 'boss around' anyone, uhhh, excepting for you that is. Your phrasing. :p

Nor do J/C need Meg's presence to get their 'competitive fire' going more than it already is blazing hot I'll betcha! Quite possibly it will be a lot of fun for all involved as Meagan is known to be a fun and generous person to be around. Still, the dynamic would be different in that Meagan and Eric were top dogs at their training camp in Montreal. I'm sure D/R will be treated with due respect in Florida too, and extend respect themselves toward their competitors training in the same rink, as they did in Montreal, but it will be different. And apparently different is what D/R are looking for.

Anyway, it's not clear how much time D/R will be spending in Florida. Plus there are still questions to be answered, since the news release was so short. What will be the working relationship, if any, ongoing between Richard Gauthier and Bruno Marcotte? How will this move by D/R affect the other teams who have been training under Gauthier/Marcotte? Fans here appear to be acting as if this is just business as usual. While it may be usual for dramatic coaching switches to happen, it doesn't usually happen in this manner. Can anyone think of another time when a World championship pairs team (7-time Canadian champions no less) made a move in their final competitive season to split with one of their long time Canadian coaches in order to come to the United States and train with a U.S.-born pairs coach? Oh and they had to bring along one of their former coaches who's married to the female pair half. :duh: And I am not talking about any pairs who came to the U.S. to train with transplanted pairs coaches who worked in the U.S. but hailed from Italy, Russia, Great Britain, etc. Thank you very much.

I know that the sport is more and more global. That's old hat by now and that's a good thing. It's not a big deal for competitors to train with each other, and of course JohnZ wants to build a roster of pairs skaters. Kaitlyn Weaver is from Texas. Tanith Belbin White is from Canada. Of course, John Kerr is Scottish, and Silvia Fontana-Zimmerman is Italian. Vanessa James was born in Canada of a Canadian mother and a Bermudan father, and she trained singles in the U.S. prior to moving to Great Britain to skate pairs, and then eventually to France where she joined up with Morgan Cipres. There are many other examples, and it's a wonderful thing for all of the cross-fertilization influences. Such cross-fertilization is partly what helped Papadakis/Cizeron achieve their rapid success.

It's not unusual for skaters to come to the U.S. to train singles and ice dance, especially with the many Russian coaches who have relocated to the U.S. But for an already well-established veteran champion pairs team to train in their final season with an up-and-coming U.S.-born coach, is something different. Particularly when we all know that the U.S. is not known for having world-renowned pairs coaches who are routinely shepherding U.S. pairs skaters to the international podium. It was Vanessa James who thought outside-the-box, and something wonderful happened that opened others' eyes. But then, Vanessa has trained in the United States before, and she was looking to make something happen for her and her partner to move up toward medal contention. Vanessa was not trying to move back into medal contention after suffering a precipitous drop at Worlds as a two-time defending World champion.
 
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Please, please, please.... don't stoke the ego of Dave Lease. :lol: D/R have been in the skating world long enough that I am sure they can make dramatic decisions like a coaching change without the influence of a minor YouTube channel host.

I would be very surprised if Meagan still talks to Dave Lease after he blabbed about her jokingly calling Maxim Trankov "Maxipad".
 
Awww, sure our Meg is cool to have around @Karpenko. And Eric is so lovely and artistic. BTW, no one said anything about expecting Meagan to 'boss around' anyone, uhhh, excepting for you that is. Your phrasing. :p

I threw that in just to get the point across, I wasn't really insinuating that people were saying it, but wanted the context of what I meant to be clear. (Maybe people were thinking it :p)

BTW you really know how to make someone work when then quote you :lol:

I prefer Vanessa/Morgan as a pair actually (and up to 6-8 of the other pairs depending on how they skate), but I do have a genuine big respect for Meagan (and Eric) in particular. She's got an unbelievable (in a good way) personality for pairs skating IMO, and she seems like a person who can turn her competitive switch off and be human outside of skating. She's cool with basically all of her competitors (at least outside of them all wanting to beat her), I think she's disrespected by some fans a bit too heavily.
 
^^ The decision leaves a lot of questions up-in-the-air. Was there a falling out, or a mutual agreement to part ways?

I think she's disrespected by some fans a bit too heavily.

Meagan has always been unfairly disrespected by some skating fans (some notorious ones on FSU), as well as by some of her competitors. She's never allowed that to stop her. :kickass:

Hmmm, maybe Meagan and Vanessa can bond over the vicissitudes of being underestimated and disregarded, whilst Eric and Morgan can bond over their hot bodies, their :inavoid: sex appeal and the vicissitudes of lifting pairs girls! :COP: :lol:

As far as me supposedly making you work hard, puhleeze my friend @Karpenko. I only have control over my own behavior and thought processes. Don't blame me for your temptations and urges. :D We all have free will.
 
With the Olympics less than nine months away, I wonder how getting rid of such an integral part of their coaching team will turn Meagan and Eric's year around? They used to win with tricks no one else was trying. That is not quite the case any more.

Duhamel and Radford are in their thirties now. Maybe the kind of success they have had, training with that sort of intensity, must surely be harder to maintain (injury - free) when you are older. Some days just aren't the same.

I love this pair to bits. But, It must be tough knowing that some of their strongest rivals are up to a decade younger, too.
 
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I'd guess that they picked John (regardless of the reasoning behind the split with Richard) because they want to improve their GOE and have the new choreographer nearby. He's great with lifts, he's got a fresh take on the sport, and John Kerr will always be nearby to help fine-tune their choreography. Julie usually does the programs, but Julie probably can't necessarily make changes to John Kerr's work if needed because of integrity (so I think it all kind of makes sense).

James/Cipres really did make a huge impact this season with their progress and fresh style, that's probably what drew Meagan and Eric into that camp to begin with. It only took Vanessa/Morgan one season with John Z to make some big improvements.
 
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I would be very surprised if Meagan still talks to Dave Lease after he blabbed about her jokingly calling Maxim Trankov "Maxipad".
I am wondering how close they are as well.His huge rant at cdns against I/M and how unfair it was that they had choreo. who gave them programs which suited them and played to their strengths & poor KMT had Julie Marcotte. I am not sure if it was in that rant or in another video where he completely trashed Julie marcotte.He really went on a tirade and as Julie is Meagan's beloved sister in law I am not sure how that would have gone down.
 
^^ Geez. I really hate the abuse that Julie Marcotte gets on this board and elsewhere. Perhaps her work isn't to everyone's taste, but she's created some lovely programs that really worked, IMO. She doesn't deserve the contempt that gets directed her way, both here and on TSL. It's really over the top and really unbalanced. :(

And comparing Julie's work negatively to that syrupy LP that Marie-France Bezic/Wilson produced for Luba/Dylan, seriously?? That program worked only because of Luba's interpretive ability and her connection with Dylan.
 
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Can John Z accompany them to competitions without the Canadian coaching credential?
 
^^ Geez. I really hate the abuse that Julie Marcotte gets on this board and elsewhere. Perhaps her work isn't to everyone's taste, but she's created some lovely programs that really worked, IMO. She doesn't deserve the contempt that gets directed her way, both here and on TSL. It's really over the top and really unbalanced. :(

And comparing Julie's work negatively to that syrupy LP that Marie-France produced for Luba/Dylan, seriously?? That program worked only because of Luba's interpretive ability and her connection with Dylan.
Marie France did Luba and Dylan's fiery tango sp. Wilson/bezic did the lp
 
^^ Geez. I really hate the abuse that Julie Marcotte gets on this board and elsewhere. Perhaps her work isn't to everyone's taste, but she's created some lovely programs that really worked, IMO. She doesn't deserve the contempt that gets directed her way, both here and on TSL. It's really over the top and really unbalanced. :(

And comparing Julie's work negatively to that syrupy LP that Marie-France Bezic/Wilson produced for Luba/Dylan, seriously?? That program worked only because of Luba's interpretive ability and her connection with Dylan.

I have never seen any program of Julie's that I disliked but I really liked I/M's programs this year. He seemed to be upset that KMT2 did not do well and seemed to pick on Julie...I do not know if he was fed that info or if it really is his opinion but he was really nasty..I think because of their differences it might be challenging to do programs for them..My own personal favourite was their Alice in Wonderland program....I think that was JUlie but I am not sure.
 
I'd guess that they picked John (regardless of the reasoning behind the split with Richard) because they want to improve their GOE and have the new choreographer nearby. He's great with lifts, he's got a fresh take on the sport, and John Kerr will always be nearby to help fine-tune their choreography. Julie usually does the programs, but Julie probably can't necessarily make changes to John Kerr's work if needed because of integrity (so I think it all kind of makes sense).

James/Cipres really did make a huge impact this season with their progress and fresh style, that's probably what drew Meagan and Eric into that camp to begin with. It only took Vanessa/Morgan one season with John Z to make some big improvements.

I don't see this as joining another camp but rather changing their current camp. Bruno Marcoux was already part of their coaching team and is assuming Head Coach duties. As Head Coach he will be in charge, and their main training base will continue to be in Montreal. John Zimmerman will be supporting Bruno and John Kerr has been added to work with Julie on choreography.

https://skatecanada.ca/2017/06/meagan-duhamel-and-eric-radford-update-coaching-team/
"Bruno Marcotte will act as head coach with support from John Zimmerman. John Kerr has also joined the team as their choreographer, alongside Julie Marcotte".
 
^^ Geez. I really hate the abuse that Julie Marcotte gets on this board and elsewhere. Perhaps her work isn't to everyone's taste, but she's created some lovely programs that really worked, IMO. She doesn't deserve the contempt that gets directed her way, both here and on TSL. It's really over the top and really unbalanced. :(

And comparing Julie's work negatively to that syrupy LP that Marie-France Bezic/Wilson produced for Luba/Dylan, seriously?? That program worked only because of Luba's interpretive ability and her connection with Dylan.

I've been at the helm of harsh critique at times. I am glad you called me out on it.

She did make good numbers for Narumi and Mervin. I think that it was when Delilah started sending her teams to her that I just was turned off. It wasn't her fault though because she was given shit skating skills frequently and virtually two solo skaters skating side by side under the guise of a pair. I think that one area she does bear some responsibility in is the things that choreographers like Lori Nichol have done which is ask a skater or pair to skate up to the music. What I mean is, if you are doing a piece that really calls for full interpretation, please do it. Meghan (lmao) has no desire to do so. I mean, her partner gets injured and what does she do? Work on what she's already great at, jumping. Does Julie bear the responsibility for not asking for a buy in from the skater to work on body line and posture and general grace? Not as much as the skater however her choreography when she has Eric lift Meghan in a choreographic portion of the program looks like an adult lifting a little kid up at a family gathering. Lori is known for having skaters run across the ice. Julie is known for the choreographic lifts which work for some. For others it does not.

I think that more sophisticated and capable skaters are most likely make her work look better. Still, the programs in general lack continuity and in my opinion don't add to the growth of a team. I liked that last program that David Wilson did for Sui/ Han but look what happened when Lori was at the helm. Even, and here's a throw back, the work Lori nichol did for Broke Castile and Ben Okolski... totally gave them a look and great material with a team that was lacking in technical ability.

While it does seem like Julie gets nailed to the wall, she owns some of the reason why. I never did touch on the music selections she makes...
 
Meagan posted some more details about their coaching/choreo changes on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/DuhamelRadford/posts/1286826644699276#

She says that Bruno Marcotte will continue to work with Richard Gauthier at the St. Leonard rink, coaching their other pairs at that rink. Meagan/Eric will move to the St. Julie rink, where Bruno coaches his singles skaters.

I'm glad there's no disruption to the other pairs.
 
I don't recall seeing this posted here; an article in The Canadian Press. They telephoned Meagan to ask about her decision:

http://www.cfjctoday.com/article/57...amel-radford-fire-coach-eight-months-olympics

Instead of 'update their coaching,' this article comes right out to say 'fired their coach.'

It must be a relief to the other pairs teams that Marcotte and Gauthier will continue to work together with them. If Meagan wasn't married to Bruno, would she have simply split from him too as a coach in order to work with JohnZ/JohnK full time?

The chronology seems to be that D/R went to John Kerr for sp choreography, at which point they must have discussed with JohnZ the possibility of getting coaching assistance. Since Kerr has already worked on their sp, then it seems Kerr and JMarcotte will work on their fp?

ETA: Apparently the above article is a different version of the one that was cited in post #9, based on The Canadian Press' phone interview with Meagan.
 
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I would be very surprised if Meagan still talks to Dave Lease after he blabbed about her jokingly calling Maxim Trankov "Maxipad".

"Jokingly" As in I doubt she was saying it jokingly. That "joke" really made me try less at finding positive things about her skating...
 
I can only imagine the things the skaters say amongst each other though :cautious:. We don't see everything or hear everything, nor should we - or it would be an all-out WAR here 24/7. :scream:

It's not really Meagan's fault that the breach of trust was broken there IMO. And she also probably made that joke because of the jibes they would both take at each other, and they're competitors going after the same thing.

This was before 2016 Worlds and when Tatiana and Max were still in it through 2018. If he makes snide comments about her, she'll probably respond back because she's a competitor. When you're competing with someone all bets are off. If you throw shade, it'll probably be thrown back. They're both adults though and can handle their own feud, and I highly doubt Meagan wanted that shared to create a bunch of drama amongst fans. Boundaries and trust are important to have in life.
 
I don't recall seeing this posted here; an article in The Canadian Press. They telephoned Meagan to ask about her decision:

http://www.cfjctoday.com/article/57...amel-radford-fire-coach-eight-months-olympics

Instead of 'update their coaching,' this article comes right out to say 'fired their coach.'

It must be a relief to the other pairs teams that Marcotte and Gauthier will continue to work together with them. If Meagan wasn't married to Bruno, would she have simply split from him too as a coach in order to work with JohnZ/JohnK full time?

The chronology seems to be that D/R went to John Kerr for sp choreography, at which point they must have discussed with JohnZ the possibility of getting coaching assistance. Since Kerr has already worked on their sp, then it seems Kerr and JMarcotte will work on their fp?

ETA: Apparently the above article is a different version of the one that was cited in post #9, based on The Canadian Press' phone interview with Meagan.
I don't like the titles of the articles that have been written about the coach change. I doubt that Meagan approved those titles. The contents seemed ok
 
Perhaps her work isn't to everyone's taste, but she's created some lovely programs that really worked
Choreography-wise, yes. Music-wise, rarely.

I don't like the titles of the articles that have been written about the coach change. I doubt that Meagan approved those titles. The contents seemed ok
The writer likely wasn't asked, either. Titles are usually done by editorial, to increase interest and readership.
 
Most typically, music selections are a hybrid decision between the choreographers/skaters/sometimes coaches--especially when it comes to more established senior international competitors. So I don't think either the praise or blame for the music used in Julie's programs can be 100% placed on her.

And in any case, I fail to see the general problem with the music chosen for Julie's programs. If you look through the programs her teams have skated to, you see some very common music selections--her teams have skated to things like Phantom, Aranjuez, Moulin Rouge, Umbrellas of Cherbourg. This is music many other choreographers use as well, so what is the problem with Julie's teams using it?

As to the slightly more unique music that her teams have skated to--a diverse list, with everything from Concerto de Quebec to Santana to The King and I to "Je Ne Regrette Rien" to C/T's "Fallin'" to S/BA's "Sakura"-- I also don't understand the problem. I think a lot of this music has been gorgeous and in many cases very well-suited to the athletes. Like all choreographers, Julie has her hits & misses. But I for one am far from believing she has terrible musical taste. I actually really like a lot of the selections that we know have come directly from her. :p For example D/R's new SP music sounds terrific, also C/T's new LP music.

I feel like the judgmental comments about Julie's programs reveal a certain musical snobbery/groupthinkism (for lack of a better word). Basically it's cool to like Disturbed's "Sound of Silence," but I guess less cool to like Seal's "Killer." I happen to like them both.
 
This is music many other choreographers use as well, so what is the problem with Julie's teams using
Mainly the insipid piano arrangements. Gah. Particularly when that is antithetical to the athletic style of the skaters

Not that I think it's a great idea when other skaters use the music. And I don't think "because everyone is doing it" shows much creativity.
 
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I don't recall seeing this posted here; an article in The Canadian Press. They telephoned Meagan to ask about her decision:
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ETA: Apparently the above article is a different version of the one that was cited in post #9, based on The Canadian Press' phone interview with Meagan.
It's the same article (by Joshua Clipperton). Articles by The Canadian Press, like the Associated Press, are published in many different online media outlets. Lori Ewing is the main/regular figure skating journalist for The Canadian Press but maybe she was unavailable or on assignment elsewhere this time and unable to interview Duhamel herself.
Wait... say what??? Radford is engaged to an actual ice dancer from Spain... ?? .. ??

I surrender..... Ill never know it all.. LOL

I mean I'm on these boards almost daily (some times 3 x a day) How in the world did I ever miss this news????
Radford just shared his happy news on his Instagram this past weekend - (ETA) on June 10: https://twitter.com/Rad85E/status/873588427924668418

This article link was posted in the Canadian Pairs news thread back on January 26, 2017:
There's a new article on a French-Canadian gay magazine ('Fugues') on Eric Radford and Luis Fenero (they made the cover).

Link here (article is at page 24), photos are :smokin:
http://www.fugues.com/187-magazinevirtuel.html
 
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